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I don't know if this is already obvious here, but on other sites it sure isnt.

WHy do people think Earl CLark is our Pf of the future? We could either make him a regulation sized PF with the game of Rashard Lewis (shooting 3s), or we could make him an oversized SF, with a game modified after Danny Granger (who he has been compared to) or a Lamar Odom.

Earl Clark is going to be a stud, if not as an offensive juggernaut, than as a defensive mastermind. He has the quickness to gaurd quick 2-Guards, and the size to guard beastly PFs.

Also, what do you guys think about the Suns having Earl Clark start when the Suns face teams with a good PF/C combo? Clark could play SF on Offense, and Pf on defense.

Starters against teams with good frontcourt:
-Offense:
PG: Nash- obviously
SG: Barbosa- better w/ Nash. plus, w/richardson off the bench, dragic would look extra good!
SF: Clark- more effecient as a wing
PF: Amare- Obviously
C: Lou Amundson- he wouldnt have to produce much- just layups and offensive rebounds

-Defense
PG: Same
SG: Same
SF: Amundson- i dont no why...
PF: Clark- good defender (see summer VS. Blake Griffin)
C: Amare- tall enough

the Suns would have different starters vs. different teams, instead of the same for all.

On another team Clark might be a SF but under the Suns style of play he would be better off being a PF because he could cause mismatches. The Suns had Marion play PF for alot of years and what was he like 6'7? Clark is like 6'9-6'10

MaryvalesFinest wrote:On another team Clark might be a PF but under the Suns style of play he would be better off being a PF because he could cause mismatches. The Suns had Marion play PF for alot of years and what was he like 6'7? Clark is like 6'9-6'10

i see what your saying, but i think he (just like Marion) is a better SF than PF. Not that i like John Hollinger (i dont... at all) but his "efficiency" is better as a wing.

also, just to throw this out there: if clark tries hard, i think he could easily be better than Shawn Marion.

our sigs kinda contradict each other.

oh yeh:

i wasnt saying he CANT play Pf, i was questioning whether or not he SHOULD.

nashrambler13 wrote:oh yeh:

i wasnt saying he CANT play Pf, i was questioning whether or not he SHOULD.

I really don't understand ppl's fascination with boxing players into a position. If he's a good match-up for a PF then why not play him there? He allows us to spread the floor and makes us quicker.

Assuming we are playing the Nets for example ... why wouldn't you put him on Yi? Hawks = Josh Smith/Marvin Williams ... there are plenty of examples. Don't know why you'd want to limit our team so much by flat out saying he is a SF. Todays game has changed and players play multiple positions.

Part of the reason I wanted someone like Clark was *because* they are so flexible. Look at the way we used Tim Thomas in the play-offs. He plays C/PF/SF ... and he's a no-rebounding wimp .. but it worked! No reason we can't use Clark as effectively.

KJ7 wrote:

nashrambler13 wrote:oh yeh:

i wasnt saying he CANT play Pf, i was questioning whether or not he SHOULD.

I really don't understand ppl's fascination with boxing players into a position. If he's a good match-up for a PF then why not play him there? He allows us to spread the floor and makes us quicker.

Assuming we are playing the Nets for example ... why wouldn't you put him on Yi? Hawks = Josh Smith/Marvin Williams ... there are plenty of examples. Don't know why you'd want to limit our team so much by flat out saying he is a SF. Todays game has changed and players play multiple positions.

Part of the reason I wanted someone like Clark was *because* they are so flexible. Look at the way we used Tim Thomas in the play-offs. He plays C/PF/SF ... and he's a no-rebounding wimp .. but it worked! No reason we can't use Clark as effectively.

yes - much like Marion, who played all over the floor, wherever we needed him.
If Clark can bring any of that .....

nashrambler13 wrote:C: Lou Amundson- he wouldnt have to produce much- just layups and offensive rebounds

I was really digging your whole post until this line. I had a reaction that can be encapsulated in this bit of web-ism:

LOLWUT?


I mean, I love Lou. Met the man with the DP09 crew and thought he was just great as a guy and I think everybody on this board LOVED his hustle. But our starting center? He's 6'9" and 225 pounds. Referees give him about as much respect as your average undrafted rookie.

I <3 Lou, but this just can't be our best foot forward...



EDIT: nashrambler, PLEASE point me to the youtubes of your sig clip. Wow. I hope we see a lot more of that this year...

impulsenine wrote:
EDIT: nashrambler, PLEASE point me to the youtubes of your sig clip. Wow. I hope we see a lot more of that this year...

I made the Sig, so i'll point you to them:

Dragic 2 handed jam as we SPANK the Clippers:
Dont forget to click the HQ button!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95MkKVC8nvg

Dragic around the back bounce pass assist through 2 defenders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1JLtH4aGkY

He's a PF, like a Lamar Odom type... On this team 6'10" is huge

..........................srry, posted in the wrong thread

Clark will be a bust. Yes, he's a great defender who can guard guys on the perimeter, but Marcus Banks is a great defender too and is not a very good NBA player.

What about Clark's performances against some of the really good teams in college?

2-16 against Connecticut and 2-9 against Kentucky. He is very mechanical on offense.

He also only shot 37% at the Summer League.

I really wish they had chosen Austin Daye or James Johnson.

Even Dan Majerle criticized him at the Summer League over the lack of intensity he played with.

Another bad pick by Kerr. Lopez and Dragic will turn out to be better picks. At-least those guys play hard all the time.

Clark was the best prospect when it was our turn to pick. A few draft websites (DX is one) mentioned he is a possible high pick bust but he is also a top 5 pick in terms of potential. I like his defensive mentality and if he keeps improving he'll always have a spot on an NBA team.

Clark really is a PF in our system, just as Amare (6'10) is a C. The good thing about our system is that if you are versatile enough to play multiple positions, we'll use that versatility to our advantage so Clark will be an SF/PF, while Amare is a PF/C.

Ideally we'd develop him and help him improve his skills such that he can switch from SF to PF when needed.

Oh and Clark will NOT be starting for us at the 3 even if he puts up better stats that Blake Griffin. Hill played like crap when he came off the bench last season so he's going to have to start. If Clark becomes good enough, he may have a starting spot at the 4 with Amare at the 5.

I'm a little worried about Clark's enthusiasm to play. He doesn't seem at all motivated by the way he talks, but maybe that is just his personality type. I'm hoping early in the season we'll see several different lineups, see what works for us.

Kerrsed wrote:

impulsenine wrote:
EDIT: nashrambler, PLEASE point me to the youtubes of your sig clip. Wow. I hope we see a lot more of that this year...

I made the Sig, so i'll point you to them:

Dragic 2 handed jam as we SPANK the Clippers:
Dont forget to click the HQ button!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95MkKVC8nvg

Dragic around the back bounce pass assist through 2 defenders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1JLtH4aGkY

Kerrsed, can i use your Dragič sig;)?

Here is an Earl Clark highlights video on YouTube.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hb2k_6T4qw

Your thoughts on the video?

nashrambler13 wrote:

MaryvalesFinest wrote:On another team Clark might be a PF but under the Suns style of play he would be better off being a PF because he could cause mismatches. The Suns had Marion play PF for alot of years and what was he like 6'7? Clark is like 6'9-6'10

i see what your saying, but i think he (just like Marion) is a better SF than PF. Not that i like John Hollinger (i dont... at all) but his "efficiency" is better as a wing.

also, just to throw this out there: if clark tries hard, i think he could easily be better than Shawn Marion.

our sigs kinda contradict each other.

hey buddy you need to drop one of those sigs, exceeding the limit for a signature - RealGM policy
viewtopic.php?f=191&t=812774
cheers

The Diesel wrote:Here is an Earl Clark highlights video on YouTube.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hb2k_6T4qw

Your thoughts on the video?

Looks pretty solid. I don't know much about Earl Clark, and there's not much about his defense in this video; can anyone tell me about his defensive game? Actually also about his offensive game? Thanks...

I dont really have room to quote stuff, but one reason i think Clark should play SF is that he likes to play SF, and w/ Clark, that is a problem.

Clark played PG (and started) his freshman year of HS, but grew i think something like 9 inches, from 5-10 to 6-7. His HS coach moved him to center, dulling clarks productivty. On offense, Clark plays better as a "regular" SF. On defense, he is versatile, which i too like about him.

Some of you said he should play PF in our system, but in our run and gun, he is mostly a small forward, wouldnt you agree?

someone say something about my other points:

Earl Clark > Shawn Marion

Barbosa should start

thx to you guys who told me about my sig! guess i missed that part

Generally speaking, you don't want to force a player out of position if he doesn't want to go there because it usually won't go over well. The Suns can afford to have him play a SF's offensive game and defend wherever they please, though, so they might as well.

We'll see. I don't think we should be expecting offensive miracles from him, or really anything but dunks in transition and off of putbacks this year. They've got all the firepower they need if Amare is healthy.