State of the NBA. It's a shame and should be examined

alamin330 · Post #1 » by **alamin330** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 8:16 am

I did research on major league sports and their champions each year. I went as far back as 1978-79 season in the NBA to be able to reach 10 different NBA champions. Here's what I found.

Since David Stern became GM in '84 26 NBA Finals, Stanley Cups, Superbowls, and World Series have been played.

In 26 years:

NBA: 7 different champions
NHL: 12 different champions with a lockout year in '04-'05.
MLB: 17 different champions
NFL: 14 different champions

The NBA has something fishy going on. The same teams win every year and I don't understand why it's not investigated. I believe Donaghy was telling the truth about Stern fixing games. I had to go all the way back to '74 to reach 12 different NBA champs. Thats 5 more champions in the 10 previous years Stern was not GM. That's 71.4% more teams (or 71.4% more chance of a different NBA team winning a championship) to win an NBA championship in 10 years, than the 7 in 26 years.

Am I the only one who thinks there's a problem with that picture?

YouTube · Post #2 » by **Kerrsed** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 8:23 am

OMG !!!!!!!!
It's a CONSPIRACY !!!!!!!!
We believe you !!!!!!!

raff · Post #3 » by **raff** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 11:27 am

NBA teams get stacked

albasuna · Post #4 » by **albasuna** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 3:23 pm

There are far less player variables in the NBA compared to the other major leagues. 2 players can have such a huge impact on the team and naturally it's easier to keep those 2 players. The other leagues you need more players to be very successful..

NHL - star players play half the game max.
NFL - if you have a star QB and wide receiver you still need the defense to be solid.
MLB - you need everyone to be on the same page to win.

Basketball is a sport where 2 players can take over the game.. and play the whole game on both sides offense and defense. There is no conspiracy the only thing this proves is that it's easier to build and maintain dynasty in the NBA.

impulsenine · Post #5 » by **impulsenine** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 4:08 pm

Can you imagine if there wasn't a salary cap?

LA, Boston, NYC would spend their way to championships every year.

Well, LA and Boston.

Post #6 » by **Miklo** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 4:11 pm

impulsenine wrote:Can you imagine if there wasn't a salary cap?

LA, Boston, NYC would spend their way to championships every year.

Well, LA and Boston.

No, NY would too definitely. Also Dallas, because of Cuban.

WTFsunsFTW · Post #7 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 5:40 pm

NY would try, but they wouldnt succeed

Post #8 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 5:45 pm

lol. Cuban would be broke in two seasons if there was no salary cap. He would just spend and spend in the hopes of gaining a return from the team's championship runs.

Post #9 » by **Miklo** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 6:08 pm

To address the OP's concern: I think the state of the NBA should be examined for many reasons, but this is not one of them. If you look at the salary cap/CBA structure throughout all of the leagues, the NBA really leaves no room for teams to "cheat" by throwing money at their roster. Of course in any league you have to factor in major-, mid- and small-market as a big variable. Look at the titles. LA, Boston, Chicago, etc. Whether you like it or not, major-market teams get:

-more attention
-higher attendance
-higher ticket prices
-more merchandise sales
-more coveted by free agents

All of these factor into a team having an advantage over others. Here I would especially cite the last reason I mentioned. Every time a team is either in a big market with lots of media access, or is championship-caliber, you see free agents signing at a big discount. This is a "way around" the salary cap. Again there is nothing you can do in the CBA to control things like this, really. The only change that may even out the revenue would be to do revenue sharing on merchandise sales like the NFL does - but even that would have little to no effect on quality of teams/titles won.

In conclusion I do not see anything wrong with the number of titles won by any team in particular. If you want changes in the NBA, I would focus on the discrepancy between player salaries and economic viability of franchises first - that's where we face a potential lockout.

Post #10 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Oct 9, 2009 6:15 pm

Likewise. There's so many other variables that Stern fixing the games would be the last thing that comes to mind. Bigger markets attract better players because of the sponsorship deals as well. Sponsorship money is much bigger in bigger markets like NY and LA compared to smaller markets like MIL and CHA.

But as always teams like BOS, LAL, NYK have either a history of winning or spending, it's expected those teams will on average field the better collection of players just based on their history. Like LAL and BOS have a history of being the two winningest teams so chances are those teams will be favourites to win most season. And based on their history, players chasing a ring will be more likely to sign with them.

alamin330 · Post #11 » by **alamin330** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:12 am

That's all BS. MLB does not have a salary cap and the major markets do not win every year. Even when the Yankess had every big name in baseball they lost. So the market argument is a non issue. Another thing that I've learned from watchin basketball and playing basketball for over 15 years is that a team is only as good as everyone allows it to be.

As we will see this year when the Lakers do not make the finals and maybe lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs is that a good team is not good because of so many stars, a good team is good because everyone has a role and plays it well. Theres never been a team to win based on stardom. The Nash Mavs couldnt do it, Blazers couldnt do it. Yankees couldnt do it, and this years Lakers will not do it, and this years Mavs will be out in the 1st round as well.

The only non major market team to win an NBA championship has been the Spurs since Seattle won in 1979. If that's normal to anyone than there are issues amongst us all.

Stern hates Ron Artest meaning Stern will not allow the Lakers to win a championship as long as he's there.

alamin330 · Post #12 » by **alamin330** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:24 am

And riddle me this Batman. If there's no conspiracy why were Amare and Diaw suspended that year in the playoffs but for some reason a fight breaks out between Garnett and Pachulia and Garnett pushes the refs and gets into it with Zaza but he gets nothing.
If I'm trying to keep a good image for the NBA I suspend the players acting unruly not players helping a teammate and barely stepping onto the court.

Post #13 » by **Miklo** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:50 am

alamin330 wrote:That's all BS. MLB does not have a salary cap and the major markets do not win every year. Even when the Yankess had every big name in baseball they lost. So the market argument is a non issue. Another thing that I've learned from watchin basketball and playing basketball for over 15 years is that a team is only as good as everyone allows it to be.

As we will see this year when the Lakers do not make the finals and maybe lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs is that a good team is not good because of so many stars, a good team is good because everyone has a role and plays it well. Theres never been a team to win based on stardom. The Nash Mavs couldnt do it, Blazers couldnt do it. Yankees couldnt do it, and this years Lakers will not do it, and this years Mavs will be out in the 1st round as well.

The only non major market team to win an NBA championship has been the Spurs since Seattle won in 1979. If that's normal to anyone than there are issues amongst us all.

Stern hates Ron Artest meaning Stern will not allow the Lakers to win a championship as long as he's there.

holy crap I thought you were just starting discussion..no you're nuts

Never Fear 33 Is Here · Post #14 » by **Never Fear 33 Is Here** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:04 am

Errrrrm what about when Boston won 11 Championships in 12 years? Was the state of the NBA worse then as there was only 2 Champions in 12 years. :roll:

DBrimstone · Post #15 » by **DBrimstone** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:33 pm

If the NBA were rigged, it woulda been Kobe Vs. Lebron in the finals last year. Some players dominate for 10 years of their career like Kareem or Kobe or Jordan... or Duncan/Ginobli/Parker... That's how teams win for years on end

nashrambler13 · Post #16 » by **nashrambler13** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:08 pm

DBrimstone wrote:If the NBA were rigged, it woulda been Kobe Vs. Lebron in the finals last year. Some players dominate for 10 years of their career like Kareem or Kobe or Jordan... or Duncan/Ginobli/Parker... That's how teams win for years on end

yeah, this is true... then again, i'm still convinced david stern is the biggest spurs fan ever, so the NBA could still be rigged. lol, watch as the Spurs make the finals because they have a good teamthis year, so Stern has an excuse.

denial · Post #17 » by **denial** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:03 am

Kerrsed wrote:OMG !!!!!!!!
It's a CONSPIRACY !!!!!!!!
We believe you !!!!!!!:crazy:

kinda funny coming from a guy with "Kerr still works for the Spurs" in their signature.

Spartan13 · Post #18 » by **Spartan13** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:25 pm

Get video replay. Show the draft lottery ping-pong balls. Don't hire mob refs. Fix teh CBA to prevent buyouts where guys can go play a week before the playoffs for a contender, and salary drop moves where a future hall of fame all star C gets traded for nothing...

WE COULD HAVE ATLEAST GOT VAREJAO!!!!!

Dry_Fish · Post #19 » by **Dry_Fish** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:45 pm

alamin330 wrote:I did research on major league sports and their champions each year. I went as far back as 1978-79 season in the NBA to be able to reach 10 different NBA champions. Here's what I found.

Since David Stern became GM in '84 26 NBA Finals, Stanley Cups, Superbowls, and World Series have been played.

In 26 years:

NBA: 7 different champions
NHL: 12 different champions with a lockout year in '04-'05.
MLB: 17 different champions
NFL: 14 different champions

The NBA has something fishy going on. The same teams win every year and I don't understand why it's not investigated. I believe Donaghy was telling the truth about Stern fixing games. I had to go all the way back to '74 to reach 12 different NBA champs. Thats 5 more champions in the 10 previous years Stern was not GM. That's 71.4% more teams (or 71.4% more chance of a different NBA team winning a championship) to win an NBA championship in 10 years, than the 7 in 26 years.

Am I the only one who thinks there's a problem with that picture?

the reason is the guarantee contracts - you sign T-Duncan and you are good to go but if you sign Z-bo and you are screw for a long time. MLB doesn't have a salary cap so it doesn't matter as much.