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Just something I've been talking about with people lately: do you guys think Barbosa and dragic have any chemistry whatsoever? everytime they are on the court together, it does not seem like they like it. anyway, i think that there is definitly somthing wrong, but...

why?:

because of the language barrier?

hard feelings: Dragic taking barbosas postision he has been destined for all these years.
Dragic staring over barbosa last game- where barbs has started FOREVER when Nash sits

they just dont like each other/ first impression

look this might be a crazy theory, but they have never worked together to well, and there HAS to be a reason.

How do we fix it?:

I've been pushing this idea since my first couple of days here, but, here it goes again:

Barbosa should start over JRich. When richardson starts, the only time he gets shots are on his fastbreak dunks. of course, we would be undersized on defense, but thats not exactly what we're aiming for right? Barbosa is a BEAST with Nash, and often overdrobbles when he's not playing with nash, partly because he doesnt trust dragic. like many of you have said, our bench other than barbs (and dragic, in my opinion) is offensively challenged. JRich takes care of that better than barbosa does.

doesn't any one think this is worth a shot?

It's an interesting theory. I think the results might be much the same though. JRich and Barbosa are interchangeable in the starting lineup to me. They both will have great games and get lost in the noise on other nights. There are only some many shots to go around and I don't know it would change much.

I don't think it's the language barrier. I think it's just that neither is good enough to really run the team properly. Dragic is a decent passer but he doesn't make moves to get guys open. When Nash and Barbs are on the floor, Nash makes a lot of plays that open up Barbs for either an open 3 or the baseline line drive. Dragic isn't good enough yet to make those plays, so when they are on the court, they try to make plays for themselves that doesn't really benefit each other.

Also keep in mind, this is the preseason. I mean, TGRIFF started over Hill the last game so don't think too much into it.

It's a good idea and I think if contract size wasn't in question, Barbs would be starting. JRich is good enough to be the lone scorer in the 2nd unit considering he was the go-to guy for the Cats for two years.

lilfishi22 wrote:I don't think it's the language barrier. I think it's just that neither is good enough to really run the team properly. Dragic is a decent passer but he doesn't make moves to get guys open. When Nash and Barbs are on the floor, Nash makes a lot of plays that open up Barbs for either an open 3 or the baseline line drive. Dragic isn't good enough yet to make those plays, so when they are on the court, they try to make plays for themselves that doesn't really benefit each other.

Also keep in mind, this is the preseason. I mean, TGRIFF started over Hill the last game so don't think too much into it.

It's a good idea and I think if contract size wasn't in question, Barbs would be starting. JRich is good enough to be the lone scorer in the 2nd unit considering he was the go-to guy for the Cats for two years.

Barbosa's better than Rich but we know that we have a sure thing with him coming off the bench; we don't know what Richardson's production would be like off the bench. Better to not mess up a good thing IMO

Guys the answer is simple. If members of our team are having trouble getting along then lets take a page from T-Porters book and make collages . Seemed to help last year!

Phx4Life08 wrote:Guys the answer is simple. If members of our team are having trouble getting along then lets take a page from T-Porters book and make collages . Seemed to help last year!

lmao omg I can't believe that actually happened...sigh, what this team has become

Phx4Life08 wrote:Guys the answer is simple. If members of our team are having trouble getting along then lets take a page from T-Porters book and make collages . Seemed to help last year!

Man, that was effing embarrassing. I totally forgot about that until you brought it up again.

lilfishi22 wrote:

Phx4Life08 wrote:Guys the answer is simple. If members of our team are having trouble getting along then lets take a page from T-Porters book and make collages . Seemed to help last year!

Man, that was effing embarrassing. I totally forgot about that until you brought it up again.

Now I have to forget about it all over again

to go back to the original theme... team drama

i wonder why nash didn't take dragic more under his wing. isn't it strange? i have two possible explanations. first, nash wasn't to pleased when he heard all the "dragic being point guard of the future" kerr talk. he was sold to the fans as nash's second coming (almost). that didnt sit to well with nash who though he has a lot left in the tank.

the second is that nash allready had his protege in barbosa and he could left him for dragic (so to speak) but shoud barbosa have growed up allready?

SunsFever wrote:to go back to the original theme... team drama

i wonder why nash didn't take dragic more under his wing. isn't it strange? i have two possible explanations. first, nash wasn't to pleased when he heard all the "dragic being point guard of the future" kerr talk. he was sold to the fans as nash's second coming (almost). that didnt sit to well with nash who though he has a lot left in the tank.

the second is that nash allready had his protege in barbosa and he could left him for dragic (so to speak) but shoud barbosa have growed up allready?

I recall more than a few times where the camera cut to Nash animatedly speaking to Goran on the bench. Outside of that, we don't really have any idea of what goes on in practice, but I don't think Nash is the kind of guy to shun a younger player.

SunsFever wrote:to go back to the original theme... team drama

i wonder why nash didn't take dragic more under his wing. isn't it strange? i have two possible explanations. first, nash wasn't to pleased when he heard all the "dragic being point guard of the future" kerr talk. he was sold to the fans as nash's second coming (almost). that didnt sit to well with nash who though he has a lot left in the tank.

the second is that nash allready had his protege in barbosa and he could left him for dragic (so to speak) but shoud barbosa have growed up allready?

good point... i wonder if dragic could be a lot better if nash had spent more time with dragic....

or, an even better (kindof a conspiracy theory), does nash not want to fail again like he kindof did with barbosa?????

rsavaj wrote:

SunsFever wrote:to go back to the original theme... team drama

i wonder why nash didn't take dragic more under his wing. isn't it strange? i have two possible explanations. first, nash wasn't to pleased when he heard all the "dragic being point guard of the future" kerr talk. he was sold to the fans as nash's second coming (almost). that didnt sit to well with nash who though he has a lot left in the tank.

the second is that nash allready had his protege in barbosa and he could left him for dragic (so to speak) but shoud barbosa have growed up allready?

I recall more than a few times where the camera cut to Nash animatedly speaking to Goran on the bench. Outside of that, we don't really have any idea of what goes on in practice, but I don't think Nash is the kind of guy to shun a younger player.

lol, maybe we are just making out of the blue theorys... gentry does seem to spend a lot more time with dragic then Nash, but he is the coach.

we'll see how it goes...

it was a little strange there was no media hubbub around this. i recall even a few artices on suns.com when barbosa was heir apparent. i haven't really noticed (maybe i missed it) anything of sorts this time. amare was taken under a lot of wings, clark, barbosa (first by marbury then nash)... i really dont know, but it seems a little strange

SunsFever wrote:we'll see how it goes...

it was a little strange there was no media hubbub around this. i recall even a few artices on suns.com when barbosa was heir apparent. i haven't really noticed (maybe i missed it) anything of sorts this time. amare was taken under a lot of wings, clark, barbosa (first by marbury then nash)... i really dont know, but it seems a little strange

i just find it strange that it hasnt really been Nash most of the time. usually its marjele (with the one-on-one games), and then Gentry (with the "confidence" quotes), but it hasnt really been Nash.

nashrambler13 wrote:or, an even better (kindof a conspiracy theory), does nash not want to fail again like he kindof did with barbosa?????

Well, Nash can only fail if he actually started something with Barbosa. I don't Nash has worked with LB in the last 5 years as much as Marbury did in that 6 months.

LV-Suns wrote:

nashrambler13 wrote:or, an even better (kindof a conspiracy theory), does nash not want to fail again like he kindof did with barbosa?????

Well, Nash can only fail if he actually started something with Barbosa. I don't Nash has worked with LB in the last 5 years as much as Marbury did in that 6 months.

I wonder if Barbosa would have turned into a different player if Marbury hadn't been his primary influence

rsavaj wrote:

LV-Suns wrote:

nashrambler13 wrote:or, an even better (kindof a conspiracy theory), does nash not want to fail again like he kindof did with barbosa?????

Well, Nash can only fail if he actually started something with Barbosa. I don't Nash has worked with LB in the last 5 years as much as Marbury did in that 6 months.

I wonder if Barbosa would have turned into a different player if Marbury hadn't been his primary influence

hey, i never thought of that before...

D'antoni was probably the bigger influence because his system doesn't ask for defense and Barbs kinda wasted his learning years by not learning to play proper defense.

rsavaj wrote:

LV-Suns wrote:

nashrambler13 wrote:or, an even better (kindof a conspiracy theory), does nash not want to fail again like he kindof did with barbosa?????

Well, Nash can only fail if he actually started something with Barbosa. I don't Nash has worked with LB in the last 5 years as much as Marbury did in that 6 months.

I wonder if Barbosa would have turned into a different player if Marbury hadn't been his primary influence

Not many vets are nice enough to work with young players. Marbury was a good guy in this case, he took LB under his wing. When he played for the Knicks, he took out the rookies and bought them new suits after dress-code rule. LB looks really similar to Marbury when he is driving to the basket, the way he holds the ball and finishing with contact.

It's a shame how the last few years, and this last summer, have coloured how Steph will be remembered for his whole career.