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What do you guys think about this once Grant retires in two years?

Frye 6'11
Amare 6'10
Clark 6'10

That is a big front court even though we don't have a true center.


I know everyone likes the "traditional' center, but Frye keeps the lane so clear for a penetrating PG, thus we have 6 guys who have scored at least 20 points in only three games. Frye and Steve allows us to have 6 twenty point scorers.

Clarke is the only one who is guaranteed to be here a long time. As good as Frye has looked, he's only played 3 games with us and he's on a 1 year deal and Amare can opt out as well, although I doubt he turns down 17 mil.

ginobiliflops wrote:Clarke is the only one who is guaranteed to be here a long time. As good as Frye has looked, he's only played 3 games with us and he's on a 1 year deal and Amare can opt out as well, although I doubt he turns down 17 mil.

I doubt Frye will leave though. If he continues to make 3's and take people off the dribble he'll get a decent contract. And I agree about Amare. I almost expect him to opt out because he thinks he's a max contract player but he's not, which he'll learn, just like Marion did. If he does leave though, I'd be happy if we went after David Lee long term. Not quite as offensive as Amare but he can grab rebounds like nobodies business. And the way we've been playing so far, everybody else seems to be scoring just fine.

If what Traxxe said about Amare is true (which i hope isnt as I am a huge Amare fan) i say let Amare opt out, or trade him by the All-Star game. We should throw some cash towards Rudy Gay. JJRedick is also a FA in 2010, and i could see him excelling in our offense. He would be good coming off the bench if we lose JRICH or Barbosa.

Here is a list of 2010 FA.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

Can someone link me to what Traxxe said? I've been combing the threads but no luck. Thanks in advance.

aa86 wrote:Can someone link me to what Traxxe said? I've been combing the threads but no luck. Thanks in advance.

It was in the Last Game Thread.

Traxxe wrote:I am pleased with what I see. I have been holding back about Amare for a while but here is a tidbit...

Look to Amare to make up for certain defeciencies offensively by playing D more so. This is a contract year for him and more surgery is utterly unacceptable. Amare is in game shape now and don't believe much of the rhetoric saying otherwise. He may not be 100 percepnt but their is suspicion he'll never be the Amare of old. He is lacking the explosiveness... evidenced by one real dunk in these three games. He is not elevating like he used to and this has been noticed. Wether this is a subconcious fear of jostling his eye or a knee issue I haven't heard.

Notice many times when he got the ball in the post he accurately lobbed it in from three or four feet out. Previously that would be a dunk attempt. Amare isn't doing this from the beginning of the game when his legs are fresh. He's not doing it at all. There is concern from people around the organiation about Amare and I've been saying this for quite some time. Worst case scenario is that he will not be the freak athlete he was but he will develop a better perimeter and wider array of shots to try and make up for fading explosiveness.

Again... people are hoping this is not the case. There is valid concern though that should be shared by everyone. Hopefully it is a confidence trigger caused by the injury.

If i remember correctly, his sources are in ESPN.

aa86: It's in T-Wolves or Warriors game thread.

From the history of the Suns current FO, if it's a negotiation between a healthy and productive Amare and them, I see our FO backing out of a max deal before Amare succumbs to a less than max extension. I believe our FO wants to keep Amare here but not for a max deal even if he puts up 25/9/2. Sarver seems adamant to stay below lux tax line and if that means letting Amare go and taking the savings, that's what he'll do.

Frye has a chance a stay after his current contract. I think we'll offer him something around mid level and he'll be stupid not to accept it. Clark will be a long-term guy without a doubt.

Kerrsed wrote:

aa86 wrote:Can someone link me to what Traxxe said? I've been combing the threads but no luck. Thanks in advance.

It was in the Last Game Thread.

Traxxe wrote:I am pleased with what I see. I have been holding back about Amare for a while but here is a tidbit...

Look to Amare to make up for certain defeciencies offensively by playing D more so. This is a contract year for him and more surgery is utterly unacceptable. Amare is in game shape now and don't believe much of the rhetoric saying otherwise. He may not be 100 percepnt but their is suspicion he'll never be the Amare of old. He is lacking the explosiveness... evidenced by one real dunk in these three games. He is not elevating like he used to and this has been noticed. Wether this is a subconcious fear of jostling his eye or a knee issue I haven't heard.

Notice many times when he got the ball in the post he accurately lobbed it in from three or four feet out. Previously that would be a dunk attempt. Amare isn't doing this from the beginning of the game when his legs are fresh. He's not doing it at all. There is concern from people around the organiation about Amare and I've been saying this for quite some time. Worst case scenario is that he will not be the freak athlete he was but he will develop a better perimeter and wider array of shots to try and make up for fading explosiveness.

Again... people are hoping this is not the case. There is valid concern though that should be shared by everyone. Hopefully it is a confidence trigger caused by the injury.

If i remember correctly, his sources are in ESPN.

I'm not really worried. For all faults Kerr has been at, he appears to be frank with the players. Marion didn't like the sound of it but reality proved Kerr right. Amare is probably told of all the considerations openly by Kerr. So, I don't believe he'd hold it against Suns for not extending him already now. After the season, whether he opts out or not, Suns should remain the favorite to get his service to the market price, unless they get a trade proposal midseason they really liked and Amare consented to re-up with the target team.

As to his game, though he lacks def. fundamentals, the reduced athletism might force him to work out alternatives to be effective if not still dominant on the court. Mind you, Karl Malone improved his defense a great deal later in his career. Rasheed, Dice all did similar things. So, Amare with slightly reduced athletism might not the spectacular self he once was, but may not be less effecitive for the team.

The TP hire was terrible, and a few so-so draft picks but other than that Kerr has done a good job considering who his boss is.

Kerrsed wrote:

aa86 wrote:Can someone link me to what Traxxe said? I've been combing the threads but no luck. Thanks in advance.

It was in the Last Game Thread.

Traxxe wrote:I am pleased with what I see. I have been holding back about Amare for a while but here is a tidbit...

Look to Amare to make up for certain defeciencies offensively by playing D more so. This is a contract year for him and more surgery is utterly unacceptable. Amare is in game shape now and don't believe much of the rhetoric saying otherwise. He may not be 100 percepnt but their is suspicion he'll never be the Amare of old. He is lacking the explosiveness... evidenced by one real dunk in these three games. He is not elevating like he used to and this has been noticed. Wether this is a subconcious fear of jostling his eye or a knee issue I haven't heard.

Notice many times when he got the ball in the post he accurately lobbed it in from three or four feet out. Previously that would be a dunk attempt. Amare isn't doing this from the beginning of the game when his legs are fresh. He's not doing it at all. There is concern from people around the organiation about Amare and I've been saying this for quite some time. Worst case scenario is that he will not be the freak athlete he was but he will develop a better perimeter and wider array of shots to try and make up for fading explosiveness.

Again... people are hoping this is not the case. There is valid concern though that should be shared by everyone. Hopefully it is a confidence trigger caused by the injury.

If i remember correctly, his sources are in ESPN.

I've never said publically where my sources come from. Sorry. The only person that I've told is Tastic.

My bad sorry, i thought thats what i heard.

thanks Kerrsed.

Kerrsed wrote:If what Traxxe said about Amare is true (which i hope isnt as I am a huge Amare fan) i say let Amare opt out, or trade him by the All-Star game. We should throw some cash towards Rudy Gay. JJRedick is also a FA in 2010, and i could see him excelling in our offense. He would be good coming off the bench if we lose JRICH or Barbosa.

Here is a list of 2010 FA.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

Kerr would crap his diaper if he could get Rudy Gay. I think it'd be a good signing. If Amare does end up walking we'd have quite a bit of money lieing around just waiting to be spent on winning! If he and Frye both opt out, we'd be at about 43-44 mil... http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm ... We'd have to resign Lou and Frye, which we would. I'm guessing that's about 6-8 mil on them... which leaves us either a max contract player (which won't happen) or a Rudy Gay or David Lee priced player to put us up to around 56-57 mil a year, which our FO might stomache... Or just get both of em for 12 mil, put us up to 67 mil, and pwn... What other players are there really besides them and possibly Redick that we'd really want? Scola and Boozer can rebound and score pretty well but they're not gonna keep up and Boozer is fragile and defensively handicapped... Any ideas?

"just keep Amare"

yeah that one's not bad either. But ya never know

Rudy Gay is a volume scorer, an inefficient one at that. We want NOTHING to do with him. However, all this Amar'e talk needs to chill. He's playing fiercely with all he has, and it looks like he may get back his explosiveness in about 10 games, give the guy time. I agree though, that if he does become what he was or better, which I'm confident he will, that he will walk away from the 17million, and get a max deal elsewhere. Chicago, Miami, or New Jersey will gladly pay max amount for a player his caliber, or he might choose to go the complete money way and go with New York, so if we don't offer him a max deal, he's not staying here, plain and simple.

Frye is only 26. He hasn't played very much, thus he has a lot of room for growth on defense, his shot will only get better. I think Amare will be fine. Can't wait to see Clark in two years!! As of today, I'm happy with our future front court. Heck maybe Lopez will play like he did against Memphis last year and in game one of the summer league, then what??

My 2010 Targets as the Suns GM:

Joe Johnson - unlikely, but who knows
Ray Allen - i'm not as opposed as most when age becomes an issue, the guy still strokes it
Marquis Daniels - I wish we had made a play for him THIS year
Tyson Chandler - no way he exercises ETO, but he would fit well at 6-8 per
John Salmons - he may exercise ETO, could get slightly more on the open market, severely overlooked
Chris Wilcox - again, I wish he had been an option this year
Tracy McGrady - I know, I know. But our trainers are practically annointed by God. High risk - high reward. Gives Hill and McGrady one last hoorah together.
Francisco Elson - great energy big off the bench
Hakim Warrick - another overlooked player who I can see fitting in well with our bench
Sean Williams - minimum contract, if he doesn't work out he's your #13
Peja Stojakovic - won't exercise ETO, but I think he would be amazing inour system and would enjoy our trainers.
Al Harrington - virtually no defense, but the 3 ball is a nice-to-have for our system.
David Lee - this guy I'm a big fan of. Transition from NY to PHX would be seamless.
Roger Mason - For some reaon, I think he would look great next to Dragic.
Kyle Korver - please, please, please, please...
Mike Miller - a great rebounding guard who needs to be encouraged to shoot more

I think small ball run and gun is not going to work. Other teams are athletic, bigger, stronger and longer than us and abuse us. I do like that future line up of frye, amare and clark. That is why I like him at the sf moreso than at the PF in the future.

But frye played in college for 4 years and was supposedly taught the fundamentals of the game. He will not be a good defender, and has never been a good rebounded.

I know this is going to be hypocritical, but I hope Amare walks and the suns are left with nothing. We are in a long rebuilding process and I cant stand what Kerr and Sarver have done to this organization. I am no Jerry C fan either because he only brought one team to the championship and that is it. I would also not mind signing Lee and put him next to Frye. If we can get rid of J-Rich, I would not mind T-mac for cheaper than J-rich. I think Houston will not re-up him. I just see mediocrity from this team for the next 6+ years. Similar to what we had after the 95 season till 04.

Some of you guys are highly optimistic and/or short sighted.

Earl Clark - Potentially a "keeper" for the Suns assuming he develops to be a starting caliber SF/PF.

Amare Stoudemire - Again, depending on this seasons's productivity. However I still believe he will not get the MAX offer from Kerr/Sarver. I'd be content with a 3 year/45 Million extention, with the final year being a team option. Anything else is a worry.
Scenario 2, I think ship him to a team who would give him the MAX by trade deadline.
The Suns won't be affected too much without Stoudemire, considering the offense comes from 5 different players, *insert name here* can plug to Stoudemire's spot and have same effect.


And I disagree with someone mentioning, Nets are one of the teams who would offer Max for Stoudemire.
Yi Jian Li and Brook Lopez have shown improvements and are good cornerstones. They need a SG/SF more than anything at the moment.

Channing Frye - Will put up 15pts and more under this system. I hope he resigns for a couple more season. I do have doubts on his productivity without NASH and the run and gun. But I see him as the "Tim Thomas but younger and taller" for the Suns while Nash is the point guard.

Lou Amundson - Is a Bo Outlaw type player, any team can use him but I dont think he is a long term type player. Someone will offer him a bigger contract and Suns will likely pass as there are other better options.




The draft in 2011, 2012 will see the Suns get their PF/C/SF player, I hope.

Out of all current NBA players. David Lee is okay, but no thanks if he ask for anything more than $10 Million a year. That would be my ideal contract for him, around 5 year/45~50 Million.
Someone mentioned Rudy Gay, I still like his potential, he is a high/volume scorer, which the Suns will need without Stoudemire/Nash in the future.
No thanks to the other "oldies"... except if the chance comes, Tim Duncan somehow decided to come to Phoenix for his last 2-3 seasons. But I highly doubt that.

sd1306 wrote:Rudy Gay is a volume scorer, an inefficient one at that. We want NOTHING to do with him. However, all this Amar'e talk needs to chill. He's playing fiercely with all he has, and it looks like he may get back his explosiveness in about 10 games, give the guy time. I agree though, that if he does become what he was or better, which I'm confident he will, that he will walk away from the 17million, and get a max deal elsewhere. Chicago, Miami, or New Jersey will gladly pay max amount for a player his caliber, or he might choose to go the complete money way and go with New York, so if we don't offer him a max deal, he's not staying here, plain and simple.

I just knew Gay was a scorer. Haven't seen him play enough... David Lee, however, I still think would be a sweet pick up. He's taken 1200 less shots than Gay while having 10% higher field goal percentage (which means you're obviously right about Gay), scores well, rebounds, is an inch taller than Gay, and is already used to running. I don't think any big name teams will be after him either as most of them have locked up all their money. We could pay him what he wants and he'd be on a good time for once... all this of course is if Amare walks