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Kerr's plan
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:40 am
by Jimmy76
I think Kerr's plan is to keep us as a good as can manage while simultaneously acquiring young potentially defesively talented players and eventually morph us into a good defensive team
Clark, Lopez, and Dragic were all heralded as future good defenders in the NBA and im thinking thats why he wanted Dudley as a throw in the Richardson trade (turned out better than expected to him as well I imagine)
I dont think Kerr wants to enter a total rebuilding period with a super young team thats in the bottom of the league for a couple based on what ive heard him say in interviews ("you dont wanna be too young or you lose some direction" something along those lines)
Honestly I think its a decent long-term plan depending on how its executed. Lopez wasnt the pick I would have gone for even if I was building for a defensive future but he still has a chance to improve (god I hope he has we could use him) and im not a huge fan as a Suns fan of being a bottom dweller and often you just get stuck down there so I like the idea of making smart signings around Nash (Frye) and still being in position to become a contender with one blockbuster trade while aquiring some young guys who will at least be roleplayers and perfect glue guys for our future.
Thoughts?
edit: also I don't hate Kerr (hes a decent gm) I think Sarver is to blame for the bull Suns trades
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:59 am
by thapharcyd
Jimmy76 wrote:I think Kerr's plan is to keep us as a good as can manage while simultaneously acquiring young potentially defesively talented players and eventually morph us into a good defensive team
Clark, Lopez, and Dragic were all heralded as future good defenders in the NBA and im thinking thats why he wanted Dudley as a throw in the Richardson trade (turned out better than expected to him as well I imagine)
I dont think Kerr wants to enter a total rebuilding period with a super young team thats in the bottom of the league for a couple based on what ive heard him say in interviews ("you dont wanna be too young or you lose some direction" something along those lines)
Honestly I think its a decent long-term plan depending on how its executed. Lopez wasnt the pick I would have gone for even if I was building for a defensive future but he still has a chance to improve (god I hope he has we could use him) and im not a huge fan as a Suns fan of being a bottom dweller and often you just get stuck down there so I like the idea of making smart signings around Nash (Frye) and still being in position to become a contender with one blockbuster trade while aquiring some young guys who will at least be roleplayers and perfect glue guys for our future.
Thoughts?
edit: also I don't hate Kerr (hes a decent gm) I think Sarver is to blame for the bull Suns trades
Honestly I think we should trade Barbosa for expiring(s... Then use that money to sign better talent next year in FA... I love Barbs, but I don't think we need him to win more games... JRich is inconsistent and it would be nice to maybe trade him instead... But when he is on we are hard to beat.. Same can be said for Barbs but hey, we need to get better next year... Honestly if we could get a legitimate C (horford/okafor/chandler, etc) and SF we would be set
Honestly... I wish we can sign Amar'e for what he is worth (15mil/year), otherwise we may end up trading him (S&T) to get young talent (Speights, Randolph, Tyrus Thomas, J Smith, Jason Thompson). So we could trade Amar'e get a good young PF in return, Barbosa would be gone we use that money for MLE contract . Marcus Camby is UFO next year, how old is her now? Anyways, just speculation, a lot of different scenarios... I also highly doubt any trades this year unless it involves Tucker and or Lopez as chemistry is high.
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:42 pm
by dantian
We need to feature JRich more on offense with some one-on-one setups. Even for just showcasing him for evtl trade down the road. LB is a luxury we definitely could replace with a lot of other options, like Rudy, Aflalo, and the likes. With Gentry's extended use of bench, actually the minutes for LB aren't there as much anymore.
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:04 pm
by NashtyNas
Kerr has a plan?
On a more serious note, we've known this for a while. We're trying to stay as competitive as possible, while simultaneously rebuilding and cutting salary. So far, this season, it's worked. I believe that if Amar'e stays, we could probably have a pretty bright future, considering the leaps and bounds Dragic/Clark would take playing under Nash/Hill for a good 3-5 seasons. I would be extremely happy with a Dragic that could put up 14/3/8/1 as a starter and Clark with 16/8/2/1/1 as a starter in about 3 years. Also, if what they're saying about Lopez is true, he might carve out a role right away when he returns, and I'm excited to see whether he could maybe become a piece of the future for us. I think we're looking good both ways so far, I'm just excited
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:31 pm
by MaryvalesFinest
Besides two bad draft picks and Sarver telling him to cut costs he's done a fairly decent job.
-Traded Marion and Banks for Shaq (Even though this was mainly a Sarver-D'antoni moved he still managed to dump Banks bad contract)
-Traded Doris and Bell for J-Rich, Dudley and a 2010 second rounder
-Extended Hill
-Extended Nash (Not that I think it's a good thing but I'm sure many Suns fans do)
-Signed Lou Amundson (See above)
-Drafted Earl Clark
-Signed Channing Frye
So yeah, when he's allowed to GM it's actually been alright but the only thing with Kerr that I'm afraid of is he likes to play it safe and not take risks. Take the Shaq trade, he was the last one on board, he perfers safer picks like Lopez and he re-signed Nash and Hill. Not that any of those things are bad but teams that don't take risks end up being stuck in a rut, let's just hope that doesn't happen down the road.
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:21 pm
by RaisingArizona
Trading Marion for shaq ended Nash's hopes at a championship so he still fails at gm.
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:03 pm
by WTFsunsFTW
ginobiliflops wrote:Trading Marion for shaq ended Nash's hopes at a championship so he still fails at gm.
not sure where to begin with this one...
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:35 pm
by Jimmy76
WTFsunsFTW wrote:ginobiliflops wrote:Trading Marion for shaq ended Nash's hopes at a championship so he still fails at gm.
not sure where to begin with this one...
its not true I think is a good start
it was a bad trade looking back but thats what you get with a risk trade and we dumped Banks which is a plus
Honestly I don't give too much fault to Kerr we wouldnt have won it wall with Marion and I dont think he would be worth the extension hed demand
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:32 am
by Christine-In-AZ
+1 ^^^
The '08 Suns weren't winning a championship with Marion...the gamble of Shaq didn't work, but was a good gamble. Also freed the Suns from having Marion put a shotgun to management's head last spring demanding a max (or near max) contract.
Shawn's a good player, but no where near the 15 or 17 million he would have asked for from the Suns. We now have Dudley, Amundson and Frye for about 4 million total...they more than make up for Marion's contributions and at 1/4 the price he would've whined for.
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:12 am
by The Diesel
For the last time...Kerr DID NOT want to do the Shaq trade. It's been confirmed by several people that D'Antoni and Sarver pushed for that move against Kerr's wishes.
Paul Coro held a chat with fans a few weeks ago and again repeated that Kerr was the last one to sign off on the deal and only did it after being talked into it by Sarver/Mike D and some of the players.
Sarver himself has admitted that he and Mike had to talk Kerr into doing the deal because Kerr was very reluctant and preferred to keep Marion.
Porter deserves the credit for signing Amundson.
But yeah, Kerr has definitely made some good moves and I admire the fact that he's shown he's not afraid to admit he made a mistake.
Marion was demanding a ridiculous 3 year $ 60,000,000 extension and then demanded a trade when he didn't get it and was also angry that they tried to trade him for Garnett in 2007.
The 2007/2008 team was losing to the best teams in the West (2-6 record against the elite teams in the West) and had also lost twice to the Timberwolves and once to the 15-win Miami Heat team that season before the Shaq trade.
I still think that Earl Clark was a bad pick, though. I still think Austin Daye or James Johnson would have been better picks.
Daye can really shoot the ball (something that Clark can't do) and James Johnson has great ball-handling skills. (Something Clark struggles with)
Kerr actually said when it came time to making the pick, they narrowed it down to Johnson or Clark, but went with Earl because of his defense.
Dragic is looking good this season and I still think Robin will turn out to be a very solid player.
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:18 am
by Mamba Venom
ginobiliflops wrote:Trading Marion for shaq ended Nash's hopes at a championship so he still fails at gm.
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:57 pm
by Frank Lee
sd1306 wrote:Kerr has a plan?
My thoughts at first.
I think this front office has been a mess since BC left. Not that BC was anything special (he lucked into the GMoYr). We have been plagued by inexperienced GMs and a brash, very non likable (by peers) owner.
It seems now, finally after cleaning our cupboards from talent, perhaps a plan can/has been formulated. It seems there was very little consistent direction over the past 3 yrs.
Now, I think Kerr-plunk places defense as an important trait for any future additions. But an actual plan ??? Right now it is either Plan A or Plan No-A......so much hinges on Amare and a reasonable salary request from his camp. Max demand = Trade.... book it. *
This yr is set (barring injury or collapse)
* in order for Amare to receive offers from other teams... doesn't he have to formally decline his Player Option ?
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:31 pm
by Qwigglez
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:33 pm
by JohnVancouver
sd1306 wrote:...Also, if what they're saying about Lopez is true, he might carve out a role right away when he returns ...
What are they saying? I'm keeping myself from making a joke here, but it's not easy
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:06 am
by doc shivers
how could anyone say extending nash is a bad idea. we would be 2-10 without him.
Re: Kerr's plan
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:05 am
by aIvin adams
doc shivers wrote:how could anyone say extending nash is a bad idea. we would be 2-10 without him.
well i dont think anybody thought that the suns would be better this season w out nash.. in fact i think most people's reasoning was 'make moves to get closer to a championship, always.' so if they didnt think resigning nash contributed to the suns winning a chip, they thought the extension was a bad idea. i assume that they thought the suns FO would extend nash even if they thought it didnt contribute to winning a chip because extending nash increases revenue over the short term and, maybe, the value of the franchise long-term.
personally, im from the camp that believes it does contribute to the suns winning a chip because i think competitive teams are better environments to develop good young players and competitive teams are more likely to attract valuable free agents. i also think the suns are very competitive this year, and while they are not 'contenders' per se they've got a puncher's chance and that's pretty cool.