I think it is time for the Suns and Barbosa to part ways

SunsWinSunsWin · Post #1 » by **SunsWinSunsWin** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:05 pm

He has been terrible this year. The wrist injuries have severely affected his shooting. The man makes boneheaded plays and rarely passes the ball. He has a score first mentality which does not belong on this team.

His defense has always been terrible. Now I know he had several steals against NO but remember in the second quarter when he and Dragic were on a 2 on 1 fast break and Barbosa refused to pass the ball and took a misguided lay up and missed. Gentry was steaming and I am glad he was.

I have never really liked Barbosa. He has the lowest BB IQ on the team and I thought with each passing season it would improve. Unfortunately it hasn't! He has a good contract which means we would easily trade him for something more decent. Possibly Gortat for Barbosa?

In the end, I see Barbosa being moved before next season, and I will be the first to congratulate Kerr on the move.

You might be asking who would be our backup SG then. Why not move Dudley over since he already guards 2s most of the time and start playing Clark in the 3 spot. More size, develop a player who has a tremendous upside, and limit the boneheaded mistakes all in one move? Now I would buy that for a dollar!

MaryvalesFinest · Post #2 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:16 pm

Nash wont allow it, after the tantrum he had when Bell and Diaw were traded for J-Rich I don't think he will allow management to trade another one of of his good friends.

SunsWinSunsWin · Post #3 » by **SunsWinSunsWin** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:22 pm

If the team keeps winning, Nash will forget. He knows this is a business first.

Kerr's job is not to make Nash happy since we have him locked up now. His job is to make the team a winning team who can compete with anyone in the league, which means Barbosa must go.

Jimmy76 · Post #4 » by **Jimmy76** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:23 pm

If we find the right deal for him Im all for it until then hes a damn good sixth man when healthy

Mr. Sun · Post #5 » by **Mr. Sun** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:26 pm

Kerr would only do it for huge gang-banger. There isn't any of those so LB isn't going anywhere.

Frank Lee · Post #6 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:35 pm

Barbasoso is adjusting to his new role... but nobody knows what it is for sure.

Others have commented on how he does not seem to mesh with the second unit. He isn't even meshing with the first. I think we are playing at a slower pace, less fast breaking and he is somewhat lost as what to do in a half court set. Couple that with his injury and extended morning for his deceased mamma, having a child etc.... life got a little complicated for him all at once. He is a simple guy and his plate runneth over and spilleth on his shoes.

Certainly he will continue to make mistakes, but he is coachable and a willing humble student. Nash would not be the only one upset with his departure. He needs to get back on track, not only to be a positive contributor, but to increase his 'league' worth. Any deal with him should be done in the off season... as his fragile psyche could crumble if trade rumors circulated now. I still giggle at that prank call trade.

All aside, he is our best trading chip outside of Amare. Just now is not the time.

Jimmy76 · Post #7 » by **Jimmy76** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:46 pm

Mr. Sun wrote:Kerr would only do it for huge gang-banger. There isn't any of those so LB isn't going anywhere.

We all know Kerr would do anything for a good gang-bang

Orange_Blooded · Post #8 » by **Orange_Blooded** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:48 pm

I was actually thinking the same thing.. I love Barbosa but I think if we got the right player in return we should listen.

What about a david lee for barbosa deal? The salaries are close, D'antoni has a hard on for barbosa, Lee would be great w/ nash in our system. Barbosa's role hasnt been what it was in past seasons (although he has battled an injury). I'd even be okay with Iverson in the Barbosa role if Iverson was willing to be a sub.

I'm not entirley sold that walsh would want to take on Barbs contract with the cap space that they have this summer but it's not as if it's a bad contract like they have had in the past.

RaisingArizona · Post #9 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:48 pm

I'd rather keep Barbosa, he started off the year awesome and the injury has slowed him a bit.

BVPN · Post #10 » by **BVPN** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:54 pm

Barbosa just needs to be controlled...It's only a problem if he is on the floor without Nash and/or Hill.

Orange_Blooded wrote:I was actually thinking the same thing.. I love Barbosa but I think if we got the right player in return we should listen.

What about a david lee for barbosa deal? The salaries are close, D'antoni has a hard on for barbosa, Lee would be great w/ nash in our system. Barbosa's role hasnt been what it was in past seasons (although he has battled an injury). I'd even be okay with Iverson in the Barbosa role if Iverson was willing to be a sub.

I'm not entirley sold that walsh would want to take on Barbs contract with the cap space that they have this summer but it's not as if it's a bad contract like they have had in the past.

David Lee sucks.

Orange_Blooded · Post #11 » by **Orange_Blooded** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:13 pm

BVPN wrote:Barbosa just needs to be controlled...It's only a problem if he is on the floor without Nash and/or Hill.

Orange_Blooded wrote:I was actually thinking the same thing.. I love Barbosa but I think if we got the right player in return we should listen.

What about a david lee for barbosa deal? The salaries are close, D'antoni has a hard on for barbosa, Lee would be great w/ nash in our system. Barbosa's role hasnt been what it was in past seasons (although he has battled an injury). I'd even be okay with Iverson in the Barbosa role if Iverson was willing to be a sub.

I'm not entirley sold that walsh would want to take on Barbs contract with the cap space that they have this summer but it's not as if it's a bad contract like they have had in the past.

David Lee sucks.

He's a good rebounded and is more athletic than any of our current bigs, gives us an injury back-up for amare and he can step in for Frye and start a few depending on the matchup.

hunterxaz · Post #12 » by **hunterxaz** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:16 pm

D. Lee is not more athletic than all of our bigs. Haha.

At any rate, we need to keep Barbs. His whole point is to speed up the offense and shoot first. He's not a PG.

Risensun · Post #13 » by **Risensun** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:19 pm

Barbosa is a bad passer for a guard and doesn't like to pass. Both very bad things for the flow of the offense and whoever is trying to run it.

Nash was friends with Bell but from a basketball standpoint we lost our best defending guard(but got Duds in the process

) I like Barbs but if an opportunity comes up where we have the option of swapping Barbosa for a backup guard who can play defense, pass and shoot or a defensive rebounder I would jump on that and hope that Kerr would.

Post #14 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:18 pm

hunterxaz wrote:D. Lee is not more athletic than all of our bigs. Haha.

At any rate, we need to keep Barbs. His whole point is to speed up the offense and shoot first. He's not a PG.

+1 on both

TheMan44 · Post #15 » by **TheMan44** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:50 pm

Agreed. Suns have to part ways with Barbosa. Sooner than later before his stock goes way down.

You see, Barbosa's value on the court used to be a steal on a 32 million dollar contract.

Now, even that 32 million dollar contract looks overpriced for Barbosa's ball-hog low IQ services. The man is a confused, injury driven guard.

Somebody like Rasul Butler - who has length and ability to shoot off the bench consistently would be great. A defensive specialist who can shoot such as a young Raja Bell (e.g. Dahntay Jones) would be nice too.

OrangeNation · Post #16 » by **OrangeNation** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:18 am

The problem with trading Barbosa is that "our second unit just flat out SUCK AT SCORING", so we desperately need that scoring punch from Barbosa. I just can't image replace him with the like of Rasul Bulter and Dahntay Jones

...That would be terrifying. If we insist in trading Barbosa, might as well trade all our second units along with him. LOL.

NashtyNas · Post #17 » by **NashtyNas** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:24 am

Jimmy76 wrote:If we find the right deal for him Im all for it until then hes a damn good sixth man when healthy

Orlando fans are very open to the idea of a Barbosa/Lopez for Gortat/Reddick swap. It fits both team's needs VERY well, and makes us even better than we are currently and still gives us a solid scoring 6th man in Reddick. I say get it done KERR!

LV-Suns · Post #18 » by **LV-Suns** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:39 am

He is going through a bad stretch after an injury. He has been playing the same role the past 5 years, all of a sudden he is an overpriced low-IQ ball-hog. He outplayed J-Rich last year coming off the bench for a fraction of the price. LB took strides defensively under Porter, he plays decent D and uses his length to play in the passing lanes.

He is twice the scorer Rasul Butler or Jones is. Whats with the love for low-talent spot up shooters..
LB plays amazing off the ball, he would look a lot better with a 2nd playmaker on the floor like Hill.

Post #19 » by **rsavaj** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:47 am

LV-Suns wrote:He is going through a bad stretch after an injury. He has been playing the same role the past 5 years, all of a sudden he is an overpriced low-IQ ball-hog. He outplayed J-Rich last year coming off the bench for a fraction of the price. LB took strides defensively under Porter, he plays decent D and uses his length to play in the passing lanes.

He is twice the scorer Rasul Butler or Jones is. Whats with the love for low-talent spot up shooters..
LB plays amazing off the ball, he would look a lot better with a 2nd playmaker on the floor like Hill.

+1

YouTube · Post #20 » by **Kerrsed** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:33 am

sd1306 wrote:
Orlando fans are very open to the idea of a Barbosa/Lopez for Gortat/Reddick swap. It fits both team's needs VERY well, and makes us even better than we are currently and still gives us a solid scoring 6th man in Reddick. I say get it done KERR!

+1!

I was on that trade thread and told Orlando that it was a done deal! It started off as Barbosa for Gortat, then he threw in Barbosa/Lopez for Gortat/Reddick. :lol:

Nash/Dragic/Reddick

Jrich/Reddick/Dragic

Hill/Duds/Clark

Amare/Amundson/Clark

Gortat/Frye/Amundson

As you may notice, I didnt include Griffin/Tucker/Collins as they dont count worth s**t. :lol: