OT: Am I the only one who likes the D-Backs trade?

MaryvalesFinest · Post #1 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:26 am

Well looks like the first major trade at the meetings happened today and the the Diamondbacks happened to be involved in it, it will probably be completed sometime Wednesday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4725108

All over the media you hear pundits talking about how it doesn't make sense for the Diamondbacks or how they got taken but I guess I'm one of the few people who likes it from their side and think they got the best end of the deal.

They traded away an overated SP in Scherzer who couldn't finish games and only knows a few pitches and a below average RP who has the potential to be medicore. They traded those two guys and a got a stud in Jackson who was an all-star in the AL last year, he has proven he can play in the AL which is a much tougher division so he definately play in the NL, not to mention he is going to bring some more swagger to the Diamondbacks. They also got Kennedy who was taken 10 picks after Scherzer in the same draft but has way more potential to be a good SP. Only problem with him was injuries but even if he doesn't develop he can probably put up the same or better numbers as him.

So what does everyone else think about this trade? Anyone else like it for the Diamondbacks?

Mr. Sun · Post #2 » by **Mr. Sun** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:47 am

It's one of those trades where you can find things you like and don't like.

Post #3 » by **rsavaj** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:55 am

I don't follow baseball so I'll find out what the majority opinion is and then promote the opposite. To be a rebel, see. Because I'm cool like that.

justinb80 · Post #4 » by **justinb80** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:44 pm

It's sort of win/lose. Jackson is a better starting pitcher, but Scherzer could have been a great closer. Qualls is an okay closer, but they really need someone great in their bullpen. I would have rather they worked on getting a starting pitcher with their free cash, then moved Scherzer to the closing position, and kept Schlereth as a reliever.

alldayeveryday · Post #5 » by **alldayeveryday** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:04 pm

I rather have Robert Sarver own the DBacks then anyone they have now in that front office. They really need to get to work on winning again, although they are a young team still. Glad to see they are building a foundation of pitching for the next 2-3 years. Interesting lineup they got going with the starting 4 on the mound -

justinb80 · Post #6 » by **justinb80** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:47 pm

kuberV wrote:I rather have Robert Sarver own the DBacks then anyone they have now in that front office. They really need to get to work on winning again, although they are a young team still. Glad to see they are building a foundation of pitching for the next 2-3 years. Interesting lineup they got going with the starting 4 on the mound -

No one knows who their starting four are. Doug Davis is a free agent and they're probably not going to bring him back, and Yusmiero Petit is gone. Jarrod Parker, who was maybe going to be in the rotation this year, just had Tommy Johns surgery and is out for 2010.

Gorilla Warfare · Post #7 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 5:42 pm

MaryvalesFinest wrote:Well looks like the first major trade at the meetings happened today and the the Diamondbacks happened to be involved in it, it will probably be completed sometime Wednesday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4725108

All over the media you hear pundits talking about how it doesn't make sense for the Diamondbacks or how they got taken but I guess I'm one of the few people who likes it from their side and think they got the best end of the deal.

They traded away an overated SP in Scherzer who couldn't finish games and only knows a few pitches and a below average RP who has the potential to be medicore. They traded those two guys and a got a stud in Jackson who was an all-star in the AL last year, he has proven he can play in the AL which is a much tougher division so he definately play in the NL, not to mention he is going to bring some more swagger to the Diamondbacks. They also got Kennedy who was taken 10 picks after Scherzer in the same draft but has way more potential to be a good SP. Only problem with him was injuries but even if he doesn't develop he can probably put up the same or better numbers as him.

So what does everyone else think about this trade? Anyone else like it for the Diamondbacks?

Hey Maryvale I think you found your niche, did you know that RealGM has an MLB section with boards just like this one? The Diamondbacks board could definitely use you and your opinions on there. You should go there and stay, be an asset to the Diamondbacks board instead of a thorn in the side of the Suns board...

MaryvalesFinest · Post #8 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:00 pm

Get Nashty wrote:
MaryvalesFinest wrote:Well looks like the first major trade at the meetings happened today and the the Diamondbacks happened to be involved in it, it will probably be completed sometime Wednesday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4725108

All over the media you hear pundits talking about how it doesn't make sense for the Diamondbacks or how they got taken but I guess I'm one of the few people who likes it from their side and think they got the best end of the deal.

They traded away an overated SP in Scherzer who couldn't finish games and only knows a few pitches and a below average RP who has the potential to be medicore. They traded those two guys and a got a stud in Jackson who was an all-star in the AL last year, he has proven he can play in the AL which is a much tougher division so he definately play in the NL, not to mention he is going to bring some more swagger to the Diamondbacks. They also got Kennedy who was taken 10 picks after Scherzer in the same draft but has way more potential to be a good SP. Only problem with him was injuries but even if he doesn't develop he can probably put up the same or better numbers as him.

So what does everyone else think about this trade? Anyone else like it for the Diamondbacks?

Hey Maryvale I think you found your niche, did you know that RealGM has an MLB section with boards just like this one? The Diamondbacks board could definitely use you and your opinions on there. You should go there and stay, be an asset to the Diamondbacks board instead of a thorn in the side of the Suns board...

OT = Off Topic, if my posts get you that upset where you have to cry and whine don't read them.

Gorilla Warfare · Post #9 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:17 pm

I'm not upset and I'm not whining, I'm actually trying to help you out. You will probably get less people bashing on your posts on the Diamondbacks board then you would on the Suns board. Here people bash you on almost every post you make and they all actually have good reason to bash you.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #10 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:21 pm

Get Nashty wrote:I'm not upset and I'm not whining, I'm actually trying to help you out. You will probably get less people bashing on your posts on the Diamondbacks board then you would on the Suns board. Here people bash you on almost every post you make and they all actually have good reason to bash you.

Doesn't make a difference to me man people can do whatever they want but that still wont change my opinions. I disagree with alot of people but I don't go bash them, I guess that's because I have manners though.

Post #11 » by **TASTIC** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 8:59 pm

Get Nashty wrote:
MaryvalesFinest wrote:Well looks like the first major trade at the meetings happened today and the the Diamondbacks happened to be involved in it, it will probably be completed sometime Wednesday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4725108

All over the media you hear pundits talking about how it doesn't make sense for the Diamondbacks or how they got taken but I guess I'm one of the few people who likes it from their side and think they got the best end of the deal.

They traded away an overated SP in Scherzer who couldn't finish games and only knows a few pitches and a below average RP who has the potential to be medicore. They traded those two guys and a got a stud in Jackson who was an all-star in the AL last year, he has proven he can play in the AL which is a much tougher division so he definately play in the NL, not to mention he is going to bring some more swagger to the Diamondbacks. They also got Kennedy who was taken 10 picks after Scherzer in the same draft but has way more potential to be a good SP. Only problem with him was injuries but even if he doesn't develop he can probably put up the same or better numbers as him.

So what does everyone else think about this trade? Anyone else like it for the Diamondbacks?

Hey Maryvale I think you found your niche, did you know that RealGM has an MLB section with boards just like this one? The Diamondbacks board could definitely use you and your opinions on there. You should go there and stay, be an asset to the Diamondbacks board instead of a thorn in the side of the Suns board...

Nashty people make NFL threads, movie threads etc all over this board - don't be rude because you don't agree with Mary's POV.

Seiously I've never seen ANYONE cop the grief Mary catches for his opinions. Granted some are outlandish and have me scratching my head 75% of the time, but the board would be a lot quieter and less colourful if every Mary stopped posting because people thought they were thorns in the side.

Hallelujah :evil:

DirtyDez · Post #12 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:15 am

I love this trade. Jackson is a quality starter compared to Sherzer. He couldn't get thru 5 innings which killed our bullpen. Jack pitched 200+ innings last year and that along with Haren and Webb is a ballin' 3 man front. Kennedy on the back end and hopefully a lefty in the 5 spot. What we really need is a defensive 1st baseman to clean up the errors. Mary and i agree! :beer:

justinb80 · Post #13 » by **justinb80** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:25 am

Scherzer's just not a starter. But, he could be one of the best closers in the league.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #14 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:40 am

DirtyDez wrote:I love this trade. Jackson is a quality starter compared to Sherzer. He couldn't get thru 5 innings which killed our bullpen. Jack pitched 200+ innings last year and that along with Haren and Webb is a ballin' 3 man front. Kennedy on the back end and hopefully a lefty in the 5 spot. What we really need is a defensive 1st baseman to clean up the errors. Mary and i agree!

Exactly, It's surprising though that I haven't seen one media pundit say this was a good trade for them. If they kept Scherzer and he didn't develop his value would even be lower and I doubt they could have got an all-star and a player who has the potential to be just as good as him.

DirtyDez · Post #15 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:47 am

MaryvalesFinest wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:I love this trade. Jackson is a quality starter compared to Sherzer. He couldn't get thru 5 innings which killed our bullpen. Jack pitched 200+ innings last year and that along with Haren and Webb is a ballin' 3 man front. Kennedy on the back end and hopefully a lefty in the 5 spot. What we really need is a defensive 1st baseman to clean up the errors. Mary and i agree!

Exactly, It's surprising though that I haven't seen one media pundit say this was a good trade for them. If they kept Scherzer and he didn't develop his value would even be lower and I doubt they could have got an all-star and a player who has the potential to be just as good as him.

The media over-values highly ranked prospects. I think we got the better end of all 3 teams.

Orange_Blooded · Post #16 » by **Orange_Blooded** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:46 am

I admit I was a little uneasy about giving up these guys but If kennedy can stay healthy enough to contribute then I love the trade, I like that we took a gamble and hopefully it pays off... I guess we'll have to see how Scherzer and Schlareth develop... both have a ton of talent, the DBacks rushed both of them up so I think they will improve from what we saw them do here.

That being said, I got a feeling Kennedy is gonna be a break out player if he does stay healthy. It's a heck of a lot easier to pitch in the NL West than the AL East ... and Hopefully Jacskson's numbers will improve as well.

whambamslam · Post #17 » by **whambamslam** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:37 am

yeah the whole switching from the AL to the NL is the thing that makes this a steal for the d'backs we've seen even cy young winning pitchers become even better when they switch leagues such as cc and cliff lee. I expect both pitchers we got to pitch better for us than they did last year and scherzer will struggle in the AL.

whambamslam · Post #18 » by **whambamslam** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:43 am

oh and get nashty the d'backs forum is lonely. It was nice in 2007 there were three of us that posted there but Shzm13 and Black Jesus 1 both got waived.

RaisingArizona · Post #19 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:26 am

The only downfall is Schezer was under contract for 5 more years and Jackson is a free agent after 2011 and his agent is Scott Boras. I look at this deal as a win now approach( hoping that Webb comes back and is like his old self).

DaDragicShow · Post #20 » by **DaDragicShow** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:59 am

You like any trade Maryvale.