OT: Good but not so good article on Obama...

MaryvalesFinest · Post #1 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 6:59 am

To sum it up it's basically saying there's no difference between him and any former US President really. Even though I didn't vote for him because I suspected he would be almost as bad I thought he was at least going to be the lesser of two evils. Maybe that's the case when it comes to the economy but definately not foreign policy wise. Interesting read for all those interested...

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/6/ob ... achine_set

garrick · Post #2 » by **garrick** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 7:58 am

We all know that Obama is a puppet who follows the party line. He is possibly the weakest president we've had in a long time, well him and Bush are probably equal as far as how much influence they had on politics.
As much as everyone hates Bush it wasn't him calling the shots, it was Dick and the rest of the big corporation representatives inside his cabinet deciding which direction the country should go.

DBrimstone · Post #3 » by **DBrimstone** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 8:43 am

Yeah he's a tool... But we haven't had a real president who really ran the country and actually ran because they just wanted to help in a long long time... Maybe Reagan, but I was like 2 when he was president so it's a little vague.

Here's the real question. How many baby penguins would you club if David Stearn were President of the United States?

garrick · Post #4 » by **garrick** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 1:38 pm

The last president who really ran the country independently was probably JFK and that resulted in him being assassinated.

Sun Scorched · Post #5 » by **Sun Scorched** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 5:09 pm

Haha, the 4th post of a discussion on Presidency and we already hit on conspiracy. Nice.

My only soap-box-esque point on this:

Big business is important. You can hate on it all you want, you can think it causes greed and corruption (it does), but it also does a lot of good things. Ultimately, it's not the corporations that are evil, it's the people who run them... and I have news for you, evil people exist outside of those organizations as well... they just don't have the power or political moxy.

So while big business may bring to light the greed and corruption, it is important to remember that it is only a reflection of the human condition.

When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.

Mr. Sun · Post #6 » by **Mr. Sun** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 7:14 pm

On the bright side there will be no second term for Barry.

I guess we will have to elect a woman in 2012, then a Hispanic in 2016 before we can get someone in office for reasons other than gender or race.

I could had liked Bush a lot if it wasn't for his Iraq stand, prescription drug plan and immigration views.

eastsidecrossover · Post #7 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 7:36 pm

For a guy that did not vote for him, you sure do seem to love to post positive articles about him.

Honestly, I was hoping he could do something different until I connected the dots that he is a puppet and weak. He is no leader and has no experience and is showing it. I know all corrupt people (politicians) make promises they will not keep, but this man has not come close to most of them. I also love how they ignore that most of the country hates this health bill. the politics of the past quote is a joke. They have exemplified them 10 times over.

Bush sucked, but at least he came out and did not back down or wait days or weeks on important issues such as when generals needed more troops or terrorist acts. Poor leadership is a man who stays on vacation and takes months to make important decisions, but in the same breath pushes non-important agenda on health care. I respect how Bush came hard, even if I dont agree with the Iraq war. Obama comes off with shout outs, we are sorry, this is what I have inhereated, blah, blah, blah. Man up, you wanted this job and to fix the problem.

Clinton was ok on some issues IMO. However, from what I Have studied and remember, Regan was the best leader this country has had in 4 decades. Remember, someone shot Regan and tried to assassinate him. He did not cry about the mess Carter left and the crazy inflation and recession that was in cause of his horrible presidential decisions.

So far, the empty suit has failed on so many issues in my book. He is a one term president and a sitting puppet for extremist, evil men.

What is wrong now is the lack of balance of power and the blurring of the separation of powers. When you have a one party town (it goes both ways, Dems and Repubs), you get bad, corrupt government that moves forward with their agendas and forget they work FOR THE PEOPLE! That is what we saw during the first 6 years of Bush, and now the first year of Obama. That is what happens when you have these fat cats who are in office for decades. Term limits I believe should limit corruption, backdoor deals and bad politics.

If you want to see what crazy politics can do to our country, just look at California. I have lived there and it only gets worse.

Sorry about going off, but I am sick of what is going on in Washington.

DBrimstone · Post #8 » by **DBrimstone** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 8:09 pm

My biggest beef with Nobama is the fact that he complains every single time anyone says anything bad about it. Its like he's a spoiled 7 year old who thinks that he should get whatever he wants. Like when he freaked out a couple months ago into his term because someone was asking him hard questions at a press conference and he said he didn't have to do them if they were gonna be like that (the press has always done that to every single president, why would he be different?) or like when he had to fire back at SNL for that rather comical piece about how he's done nothing, or Fox News for only reporting radiacl right wing views that don't coincide with his own. I just think it's ridiculous because he was only a senator for like year, and he thinks he knows what's going on.

If only we could go back to the good ol' days where the electoral college elects George Washington, who says he doesn't even want to be president, but they insist on it so he just does it and kicks butt

MaryvalesFinest · Post #9 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 8:20 pm

For a guy that did not vote for him, you sure do seem to love to post positive articles about him.

How's the article positive on Obama? :lol:

The only thing I really said about him that was positive though during election time was basically

Foreign policy, Obama = McCain

Economy, Obama > McCain

Both are bad on foreign policy so it's a wash and McCain chances are would have been like Bush or any other Republican on the economy. Obama is far from perfect when it comes to the economy but even being 1% better is better than none at all.

Sun Scorched · Post #10 » by **Sun Scorched** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 9:18 pm

MaryvalesFinest wrote:Economy, Obama > McCain

No.

Just no.

hunterxaz · Post #11 » by **hunterxaz** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 9:23 pm

Obama is doing a great job for what he was left with by the GOP -- Clinton had the ship straight and Bush f'd it up, after Clinton cleaned up previous Bush's goofs too. Not surprised a team that is based in a red state would have so many people that think our President is an idiot though. Wait a few more years and we'll see where we're at then. Change doesn't happen in a year, we all knew that. (Well, his supporters anyway.)

MaryvalesFinest · Post #12 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 9:34 pm

hunterxaz wrote:Obama is doing a great job for what he was left with by the GOP -- Clinton had the ship straight and Bush f'd it up, after Clinton cleaned up previous Bush's goofs too. Not surprised a team that is based in a red state would have so many people that think our President is an idiot though. Wait a few more years and we'll see where we're at then. Change doesn't happen in a year, we all knew that. (Well, his supporters anyway.)

I agree with that it's better to have a Democrat in office than a Republican due to the economy but on foreign policy? Obama is basically doing as any Republican or corporate Democrat would.

Sun Scorched · Post #13 » by **Sun Scorched** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 9:36 pm

hunterxaz wrote:Obama is doing a great job for what he was left with by the GOP -- Clinton had the ship straight and Bush f'd it up, after Clinton cleaned up previous Bush's goofs too. Not surprised a team that is based in a red state would have so many people that think our President is an idiot though. Wait a few more years and we'll see where we're at then. Change doesn't happen in a year, we all knew that. (Well, his supporters anyway.)

Clinton governed by polls. Hence his popularity. He's definately one of, if not the, most charismatic presidents we've ever had.

That being said, the biggest thing to happen during his presidency involved lying to a grand jury. Regardless of your political stance, you have to admit it's hard to compare that to an unprecedented terrorist action, the end of the tech bubble and the absolute seizure of all liquidity in the debt markets. Tough stuff.

Perspective is a good thing to have, history remembers presidents differently than Letterman's Top 10 would seem to dictate......

DBrimstone · Post #14 » by **DBrimstone** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 9:36 pm

hunterxaz wrote:Obama is doing a great job for what he was left with by the GOP -- Clinton had the ship straight and Bush f'd it up, after Clinton cleaned up previous Bush's goofs too. Not surprised a team that is based in a red state would have so many people that think our President is an idiot though. Wait a few more years and we'll see where we're at then. Change doesn't happen in a year, we all knew that. (Well, his supporters anyway.)

Clinton authorized the iffy loans for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which caused tons of people to default on their loans, which is arguably the reason that the whole recession started. I'd blame Clinton for the recession before anybody else.

PHXfan85 · Post #15 » by **PHXfan85** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 9:46 pm

Is nothing sacred anymore?

keep this away from the Suns board!

SunsWinSunsWin · Post #16 » by **SunsWinSunsWin** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 12:43 am

Agreed. Enough with the political talk. It seems most of the users on this board support liberals which I do not need to see when I am trying to escape from politics. All politicians are liars and will never follow through on their promises. The tea party movement is gathering steam and I would not be surprised to see a normal Joe take office in 2012. Democrats are shooting themselves every day and their leaders are the most untrustworthy people I have ever seen in my life...IE Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Obama...