Our Goals for the Season

BVPN · Post #1 » by **BVPN** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:23 am

It seems obvious at this point that this team, as currently constructed will not be able to play at a high level beyond this season (it's debatable if they are even there now). So, I think we need to re-adjust our goals for the season. A playoff berth seems like an inevitable one-and-done, and I don't think we can trade to get what we need to seriously contend for a title. This system, as it is, needs a big man who is a great rebounder and defender, and can also shoot 3's to space the floor. Those don't exist. We had the closest possible thing to it in Marion but...well we don't anymore.

So I say that our main goal for the season should be to build Amare's and Barbosa's value around the league. I have said before and I will continue saying that our future hinges on an Amare S+T. There are many possibilities there, like Randolph+filler+pick from GS or Yi+filler+pick from NJ. Having another player in demand in Barbosa would also be really helpful towards rebuilding. I also think Hill/Frye/Nash should be available for the right deals. As for Jrich, I think we need to face the fact that he has negative value right now. The best time to trade him would be next season's trade deadline as a 13 million dollar expiring.

If we can go into next season with Yi+Turner or Randolph+Biedrins+pick, with Jrich's expiring as another asset, I think we will be in pretty good shape.

sunfire0112 · Post #2 » by **sunfire0112** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:29 am

Our goals for this season were to get into the playoffs while cutting salary. Looks like we'll achieve both this year with a 1st round playoff exit. However, I'm all for any trades that will help our rebuilding process.

Nash and Hill are untouchable unless they specifically ask to be traded and that's highly unlikely. No one wants JRich and I can see us keeping him because his value will shoot up next year as an expiring contract (hopefully we can get a decent pick for him then).

LB's value has dipped recently so that leaves Amare as our only good trading chip. A S+T is too risky since some teams have enough cap space to sign him outright. Plus I can't recall a S+T where a team has gotten "decent" (not equal) value back. If our FO knows that Amare isn't part of the Suns' future, then the most ideal time to trade him is by the trade deadline.

BVPN wrote:Randolph+Biedrins+pick

I really like that trade, especially if the pick is high enough for us to get someone like Evan Turner.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #3 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:54 am

The Suns might not even make the playoffs this year which is probably a good thing, I'm sure if they don't some moves would be made during the summer right?

DirtyDez · Post #4 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:59 am

MaryvalesFinest wrote:The Suns might not even make the playoffs this year which is probably a good thing, I'm sure if they don't some moves would be made during the summer right?

Hey Mary what do you think about Amare to NJ for Yi + John Wall? Then trade Nash or maybe they could play together...

OrangeNation · Post #5 » by **OrangeNation** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:15 am

NOBODY is gonna trade a potential lottery pick for Amare. I know I wouldn't do it

MaryvalesFinest · Post #6 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:15 am

DirtyDez wrote:
MaryvalesFinest wrote:The Suns might not even make the playoffs this year which is probably a good thing, I'm sure if they don't some moves would be made during the summer right?

Hey Mary what do you think about Amare to NJ for Yi + John Wall? Then trade Nash or maybe they could play together...

They would never do it, John Wall is going to be a franchise changer on a rookie contract. They might do Yi and the Mavs first rounder from the Kidd trade though...

DBrimstone · Post #7 » by **DBrimstone** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:21 am

Yi + filler + pick would be too legit to quit. J-Rich's expiring will be a nice asset next season unless the Front office doesn't watch games and thinks he's useful or are too cheap to take on a bad contract. I think LB's untradeable the way he's been running straight into defenses lately

tigerblood · Post #8 » by **tigerblood** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:26 am

Here you have it. This assumes NJ gets Wall and thus Harris is expendable.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5383137

Plus NJ's late first rounder

tigerblood · Post #9 » by **tigerblood** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:28 am

Perform a breakeven analysis and you will find the goals of the suns franchise this season. I'm losing interest quickly and looking forward to baseball season.

Would be nice to have a J. Upton equivalent on the Suns.

DirtyDez · Post #10 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:30 am

MaryvalesFinest wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
MaryvalesFinest wrote:The Suns might not even make the playoffs this year which is probably a good thing, I'm sure if they don't some moves would be made during the summer right?

Hey Mary what do you think about Amare to NJ for Yi + John Wall? Then trade Nash or maybe they could play together...

They would never do it, John Wall is going to be a franchise changer on a rookie contract. They might do Yi and the Mavs first rounder from the Kidd trade though...

You're forgetting that NJ will be the favorite to land Lebron who is Jay Z's homeboy. I know it sounds crazy. Also, NJ has more cap space than any team in the NBA. They would have enough $ to sign Amare and Lebron if they lose the contracts from Yi and the #1.
Harris
Lee
Lebron
Amare
Lopez... Legit title contenders.

thamadkant · Post #11 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:52 am

The trend here..

Suns WIN, Stoudemire scores 20+ = KEEP STOUDEMIRE, SIGN HIM MAXX!! HATERZ SUXOR!!

Suns LOSE, Stoudemire scores 20+ = Nash is holding the team down, must rebuild around Stoudemire as he is the main man.

Suns Lose, Stoudemire plays bad = Stoudemire for anyone, time to rebuild entirely.

My opinion (consistent I might add)... Stoudemire for a package that brings in a decent young player and a pick. Or a BIG expiring contract and a servicable filler.

Potentials trades:

Yi + 2011 Unprotected Pick + Boone or expiring filler. ( Yi will put up 20 pts /9 reb/1.5 blk and about 3-4 3pters a game on the Suns)

Beasley + 2011 Unprotected Pick + filler

T.Thomas + Deng

T.Thomas + B.Miller (I like this one a lot)

OrangeNation · Post #12 » by **OrangeNation** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:07 am

T. Thomas + B.Miller >>>> Beasley + 2011 Pick ? and your logic behind this

I wouldn't touch T. Thomas. We can't afford to trade Amare when all we're getting back is just a servicable role player.

DBrimstone · Post #13 » by **DBrimstone** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:36 am

I don't like beasley + 2011 pick. If Wade stays and Amare is on that team, that'll be a crappy pick. I'd rather have the higher of their 2 picks this year (as they have 2 right in the middle-ish). I do not like the Bull's trade for Thomas and Miller in the slightest bit. Like someone said, they're just role players now and they're not gonna take us to better and brighter places

This team has talent, the leadership is just lacking. I think that because Nash and Amare were so close to winning a championship and then fell short so many times, that they have just accepted not winning it all, and therefor, are ok with losing games. We need to remodel our team out of a need to change the culture of it's ok to lose as long as you're having fun

Amare1 · Post #14 » by **Amare1** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:59 am

Beasley + a first is the best deal mentioned so far so I don't know why he's getting trashed for that comment. Suddenly we have to deal Amare for nothing?
Your never going to get equal value back so no point in dealing him. Sorry guys but I don't know what the obsession is with Anthony Randolph. He is not good.

DBrimstone · Post #15 » by **DBrimstone** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:14 am

Amare1 wrote:Beasley + a first is the best deal mentioned so far so I don't know why he's getting trashed for that comment. Suddenly we have to deal Amare for nothing?
Your never going to get equal value back so no point in dealing him. Sorry guys but I don't know what the obsession is with Anthony Randolph. He is not good.

I think a Beasley + a this year pick would be good. Trading for Amare at the end of his cotnract would give them his bird rights too, so if they could get 1 more big or semi-big name to go there, they could still give him big money and have a pretty sweet team (in the east thank goodness) despite being over the tax.

Mr. Sun · Post #16 » by **Mr. Sun** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:04 pm

sunfire0112 wrote:A S+T is too risky since some teams have enough cap space to sign him outright. Plus I can't recall a S+T where a team has gotten "decent" (not equal) value back. If our FO knows that Amare isn't part of the Suns' future, then the most ideal time to trade him is by the trade deadline.

There is another side to that of course; a team that knows Amare would opt out would essentially be getting a cool $17 million in "expiring" with him.

Suns_RoadRunner · Post #17 » by **Suns_RoadRunner** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:55 pm

I dont want any part of Yi on this team. The Beasley proposal is much better, but even then I'm not sure if i would do it.

aIvin adams · Post #18 » by **aIvin adams** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:29 pm

Yi is good

tigerblood · Post #19 » by **tigerblood** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:51 pm

I want Beasley on the Suns, he's a young player with a ceiling as high as Amare's pre-surgery ceiling. Also, Amar'e goes to the Eastern Conference to Miami where he would likely stay. I think that has the best chance of happening.

Ownership has to recognize its time for a change.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #20 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:04 am

bradley281 wrote:I want Beasley on the Suns, he's a young player with a ceiling as high as Amare's pre-surgery ceiling. Also, Amar'e goes to the Eastern Conference to Miami where he would likely stay. I think that has the best chance of happening.

Ownership has to recognize its time for a change.

Yeah that's probably the best and most realistic deal, Beasley could probably put up 20-25 and 8 in the Suns system when given 35-40 minutes per game, so basically Amare type numbers.