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Top 25 To be traded... and how to reach contender status 

Post#1 » by nashrambler13 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:08 am

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/ ... Watch-0910

Good read- or maybe its just cause I like lists... alright, basing off of team needs and the above list, I want you guys to take a look at these two trades...

Trade #1:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yjxsfwn

Makes some sense right? Young(ish) SG to help the rebuilding, and then two nice bigs, one of which is having a career year, and the other who could develop into a great complement for Love.

Lineups(changes in CAPITALS)
Nash/Dragic
Barbosa/???
Hill/Dudley/EC
Stat/PECHEROV/EC
JEFFERSON/Louuu/JAWAI
hole at SG... to be fixed.

Flynn/Sessions
RICHARDSON/Sasha
Brewer/Ellington
Love/Gomes
Frye/LOPEZ
AND Rubio? and a GREAT draft pick this year- even better w/o AlJeff?

Trade #2:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yh52t9n

Nash/Dragic/MILLS
Barbosa/FERNANDEZ
Hill/Dudley
Stat/Pecherov/PENDERGRAPH
Jefferson/louuu/Jawai
I LOVE fernandez, especially in this system, and mills and pendergraph, are two of my faves (ASU and justb/c)

Miller/Bayless/Blake
Roy/ Outlaw
Webster/Batum/GRIFFIN
CLARK/Cunningham
Aldridge/Howard/Collins
heck, why not? fernandez is upset, and they need size... so you know.

C'mon... compelling right? ANd they make sense too.


also, just throwing this out there...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yf3stoz

not as an add on to these, but just b/c... and they said we want foster...

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Re: Top 25 To be traded... and how to reach contender status 

Post#2 » by Kerrsed » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:17 am

trade #1: I like, but didnt MIN say they wernt taking calls on Jefferson (Hancock)?

trade #2: I dont see how POR would take that. Suns say yes, Blazers say no.

trade #3: ICK! for some reason, Foster rubs me the wrong way (as opposed to him rubbing me the RIGHT way! :lol:) Honestly, i think we could do better in a different Barbosa trade, and I do believe we need to trade Barbosa. I think he has reached his ceiling here in PHX.



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**On a second side note, how funny is it that on the ESPN trade machine they list Griffin at -2.0 PER :lol: . I dont think i have ever seen a player with a negative PER! :lol:
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Re: Top 25 To be traded... and how to reach contender status 

Post#3 » by the_warden » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:27 am

No chance the Wolves or Blazers accept their respective trades.
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Re: Top 25 To be traded... and how to reach contender status 

Post#4 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:29 am

Thanks for not trading Amare! :)
I'd say yes to all but the third. Even though the Suns are straight up robbing the Wolves and Blazers.
BTW, that article you posted is for Insiders only. I don't have the luxury of being an Insider :(
So if you want, you could post the article. Lol.
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Re: Top 25 To be traded... and how to reach contender status 

Post#5 » by Kerrsed » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:32 am

Qwigglez wrote:BTW, that article you posted is for Insiders only. I don't have the luxury of being an Insider :(
So if you want, you could post the article. Lol.


I agree! I was going to say that the original post failed on all account until i realized that it was just the ESPN insider thing that didnt work and not the saved trades (which ESPN must have fixed as the saved trade links weren't working for like 2 weeks). :oops:
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Re: Top 25 To be traded... and how to reach contender status 

Post#6 » by nashrambler13 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:34 am

Kerrsed wrote:trade #1: I like, but didnt MIN say they wernt taking calls on Jefferson (Hancock)?

trade #2: I dont see how POR would take that. Suns say yes, Blazers say no.

trade #3: ICK! for some reason, Foster rubs me the wrong way (as opposed to him rubbing me the RIGHT way! :lol:) Honestly, i think we could do better in a different Barbosa trade, and I do believe we need to trade Barbosa. I think he has reached his ceiling here in PHX.



**On a side note, good to see your back! :D


**On a second side note, how funny is it that on the ESPN trade machine they list Griffin at -2.0 PER :lol: . I dont think i have ever seen a player with a negative PER! :lol:

1: yeh, but hey, i sorta satisfied all three of kahns wants: athletic center (Rolo), and big time shooters(fryeand jrich).

2: alright, but i think we should find a way to get fernandez... and get rid of barbs.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yf5b3or
and then turn around with a miller mills/pendy for kenny thomas of the kings. how bout them appels?

3: :lol:

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Re: Top 25 To be traded... and how to reach contender status 

Post#7 » by Kerrsed » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:39 am

nashrambler13 wrote:
thanks- i waswierded by your new avatar... but its equally sweet.



Yeah, i might switch back to the blinking dumbfounded Kerr picture. It just doesnt seem right without it. :D
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Re: Top 25 To be traded... and how to reach contender status 

Post#8 » by nashrambler13 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:42 am

the_warden wrote:No chance the Wolves or Blazers accept their respective trades.

reasons? i understand the blazers, but the wolves? it would be in the spirit of tanking, and the fact that jefferson and love cant really coexist...
Kerrsed wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:BTW, that article you posted is for Insiders only. I don't have the luxury of being an Insider :(
So if you want, you could post the article. Lol.


I agree! I was going to say that the original post failed on all account until i realized that it was just the ESPN insider thing that didnt work and not the saved trades (which ESPN must have fixed as the saved trade links weren't working for like 2 weeks). :oops:

lol, ok- its extremely long tho:

ESPN Insider wrote:Impact players most likely to be moved

(Ranked from most likely to least likely to be traded)
Antawn Jamison, F, Wizards
Jamison is at the top of this list for three reasons. First, the Wizards are a mess and seem to be moving rapidly toward a fire sale. Second, Jamison is in the latter stages of his career. Neither he nor the Wizards want him stuck on a terrible team. Third, a number of contenders want him, namely the Cavs. That's the perfect recipe for a big deadline trade.
2. Troy Murphy, F, Pacers
The Pacers look as though they're moving toward a youth movement as they continue to build around Danny Granger. With a number of contending teams interested in Murphy, the Pacers seem to be in the right place to make a deal. While Murphy may be overpaid, there are few bigs in the league who can rebound and spread the floor the way he can. With just one more year left on his contract, Murphy could be the missing piece for a team trying to compete for a title.
The Cavs seem to have the most interest, though several other teams have also told me they'll make a run at him. At the very least, the Pacers should be able to deal Murphy for expiring contracts and one asset (either a draft pick or a young prospect).

3. Tayshaun Prince, F, Pistons
Joe Dumars didn't expect the Pistons to be championship contenders this season. But he also didn't anticipate the team losing 13 games in a row. The fact that the Pistons drafted three small forwards in last year's draft and that two of them -- Jonas Jerebko and Austin Daye -- look very promising is all you need to know. The word on the street is that the Pistons are in very active trade discussions on Prince.
While the team would prefer to move Richard Hamilton, I don't think it's going to be able to find a home for him given his enormous contract. If the Pistons can swap Prince for some help in the paint, they've got to do it. The combination of Charlie Villanueva, Jason Maxiell, Ben Wallace and Kwame Brown just isn't getting it done.
4. Caron Butler, G/F, Wizards
If Jamison goes, Butler probably won't be far behind. He actually has a little more desirability than Jamison because his contract is shorter (just one year remaining) and he's younger. However, it's not clear that the Wizards are willing to just give away Butler, who is a good player in his prime. The Wizards have to build around someone, don't they?
5. Andre Miller, PG, Blazers
Miller may be a wily veteran, but he's struggled to adapt to Portland's culture and, more specifically, head coach Nate McMillan. Miller's addition was never seen as a slam dunk, but more of a desperation ploy by the Blazers, who felt compelled to use their cap space this past summer after being spurned by Hedo Turkoglu.
While the team's original stance was that it wanted to hold on to Miller, his recent run-in with McMillan has cleared the way for a possible trade. If the Blazers want expiring contracts in return, they can probably move him. If they demand a young player or a future first-round draft pick, probably not.
6. Jeff Foster, C, Pacers
The Pacers appear to be committed to developing Roy Hibbert and Tyler Hansbrough, leaving little room for Foster -- a mobile, high-energy big man who can defend 4s and 5s.
If you are a Western Conference team trying to stop Pau Gasol, Foster would be a great get. The Nuggets have shown considerable interest in Foster, but they aren't alone. The Blazers, Jazz, Spurs and Suns would all like to get him, too.
7. Kirk Hinrich, G, Bulls
The Bulls need to move Hinrich for an expiring contract in order to have a realistic shot at making a pitch to both LeBron James and Chris Bosh this summer. Can you imagine a team with LeBron, Bosh, Derrick Rose, Luol Deng and Joakim Noah? John Paxson can. If Bosh isn't traded before the deadline, you have to believe the Bulls have a good chance to get both.
However, trading Hinrich won't be easy. His productivity has really fallen the past two years, and he still has two years and $17 million left on his contract. Bill Simmons swears the Celtics will be interested. But that's a lot of money for a backup point guard.
8. Tyrus Thomas, F, Bulls
Thomas has a lot of talent but has been unable to put it all together. At times, he has been more of a distraction than an asset in Chicago. The challenge in trading Thomas is twofold. One, the Bulls don't want to wreck their cap space this summer, meaning what they'll likely want in return is an expiring contract and a draft pick. Two, whoever trades for him has to decide quickly whether he's worth keeping, given that he's heading toward restricted free agency this summer.
Those two factors complicate things pretty dramatically. But given that there's interest from both the Bulls and Thomas' camp in moving on, don't be surprised if a deal happens.
9. Marcus Camby, C, Clippers
Camby may be one of the hottest commodities on the list. Not only is he still a legitimate defensive force in the paint, but he also has an expiring contract. You get a player for the rest of the season and cap relief at the end. The biggest question isn't whether the Clippers could move Camby, it's whether the Clippers will move him. And as Marc Stein wrote this week, Blake Griffin's absence complicates the Clippers' calculations.
The team is positioned to have significant cap room this summer if it keeps Camby and lets his contract expire. Whatever offer they get for him will have to match or exceed what they believe they could get on the open market next season.
10. Carlos Boozer, F/C, Jazz
Boozer is in the same camp as Camby. He's a very productive big man in the last year of his deal. However, Boozer is infinitely harder to move than Camby. Why? Because the Jazz want something significant in return and because Boozer will want a huge contract as a free agent this summer.
A team trading for him is making a huge commitment. Not only is it giving away a prized asset (probably some combination of a young player or draft pick plus cap relief), but it is also committing to being held over the coals by Boozer and his agent, Rob Pelinka, this summer. That's why it's harder than you might think to move Boozer.
11. Jose Calderon, PG, Raptors
Calderon was considered a gem just a year ago, but he struggled out of the gate this season, and the Raptors have played much better without him. Now that he's back from injury, you can expect the Raptors to shop him around. They could really use some help at the 2-guard position. DeMar DeRozan is a nice prospect, but he's not ready yet.
There have been rumblings of a Calderon-Kevin Martin swap. The move would give the Raptors a lot of offensive firepower, but it would also cement their status as one of the worst defensive teams ever.
12. Al Jefferson, PF, Timberwolves
David Kahn has been pretty adamant that he's not shopping Jefferson, saying he wants to use the entire season to evaluate his players. But a number of GMs around the league are equally adamant that Jefferson's name has been brought up in discussions. Kahn doesn't sound like a guy who's convinced Kevin Love and Jefferson can play together in the frontcourt.
Kahn knows he wouldn't get a talent like Danny Granger in return, but if he could get an athletic center or a big-time shooter for Jefferson, he might decide to make a move.
13. Devin Harris, PG, Nets
Last year we were plugging Harris as an All-Star. This year? I have sources who say the Nets are no longer sold on Harris as a core piece on the team. If they can package him with an expiring contract or two and get a young All-Star in return, they might do it. If they knew they were getting John Wall, they'd surely do it.
But even if they have to settle for something else, it sounds as though Harris' lackluster performance this season has soured folks on him. There will be a lot of interest in Harris, but I'm not sure anyone will be willing to give up an All-Star for him.
14. Chris Bosh, PF, Raptors
Much to the chagrin of Raptors fans, I've been writing that Toronto needs to trade Bosh now while it can still get value for him. The closer we get to the trade deadline, the more real that possibility sounds.
Over the weekend, reports by ESPN's Marc Stein and the New York Post fingered the Rockets and Lakers as teams with heavy interest in Bosh. While neither team has made an official offer for Bosh, I expect both will by the deadline.
I'm not sure the Rockets can put together a compelling package, but the Lakers can. If L.A. offered Andrew Bynum, Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo would have to say yes, wouldn't he? Bynum is a legit center who is still only 22 years old. And most important, he is already locked into a long-term deal. If the Lakers are willing to offer Bynum (a big if), the Raptors won't get a better offer.
15. Amare Stoudemire, PF, Suns
Amare would have been at the top of this list in August. However, the Suns are back to playing Mike D'Antoni basketball, and the team is winning and having fun again. While I wouldn't call the Suns contenders quite yet, they've been very competitive against the top teams in the West. That should effectively squelch all of the potential Stoudemire trade rumors we expected to hear.
The Suns are clearly trying to go for it all, and I doubt they'll disrupt the flow and swap Stoudemire out before giving him and Steve Nash one more chance to lead Phoenix to the Finals.

Expiring contracts

1. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, C, Cavs
Cleveland may be the most motivated team in the league to do a deal. Another playoff failure could devastate the Cavs' chances of keeping LeBron this summer. Ilgauskas is their biggest chip. He can wipe nearly $12 million from someone else's books. Also, the team that trades for him would most likely waive him, allowing Big Z to rejoin the Cavs.
2. Tracy McGrady, G, Rockets
McGrady may no longer be a superstar, but his contract is. A team trading for T-Mac can wipe $22 million off its books next year.
The key for the Rockets is to get back players worth paying and worth giving up this season's potential cap space for. For the most part, talks have been slow. Teams like expiring contracts but tend to shy away from giving All-Stars or top young prospects in return. Too bad Chris Wallace doesn't need to cut payroll this season.
3. Kenny Thomas, PF, Kings
The Kings are suddenly better than anyone expected. However, they would still love to cut long-term payroll. They've been using Thomas' $8.8 million expiring contract as bait. In other words, you can have it if you take Andres Nocioni, too.
4. Erick Dampier, C, Mavs
Dampier is another intriguing trade chip. He's having a good season, and the Mavs are right in the Western Conference hunt. So, Dallas could surely use him. However, the fact that his contract isn't guaranteed next season makes him a tremendous asset and gives Dallas one last shot at adding a younger veteran who could put it over the top.
5. Brendan Haywood, C, Wizards
6. Mike Miller, F, Wizards
7. Mike James, G, Wizards
With the Wizards in rebuilding mode, you can be sure that all three contracts are coveted. Together they're worth about $20 million of cap relief. The Wizards may have to give away Jamison and Butler, but with these expiring contracts, they could end up with some decent young players or future first-round picks in return.
8. Travis Outlaw, F, Blazers
9. Steve Blake, G, Blazers
Together these two players can get roughly $8 million off a team's books. If Kevin Pritchard decides to make a big move, both players could be key assets to making a deal happen.
10. Kwame Brown, C, Pistons
Brown has been a bust in Detroit, just as he was in Washington and L.A. The Pistons will try to package his expiring $4 million contract with either Tayshaun Prince or Rip Hamilton to continue to remake their roster.
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Re: Top 25 To be traded... and how to reach contender status 

Post#9 » by Kerrsed » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:48 am

nashrambler13 wrote:lol, ok- its extremely long tho:



Thats what she said! :lol:
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Post#10 » by nashrambler13 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:49 am

Kerrsed wrote:
nashrambler13 wrote:lol, ok- its extremely long tho:



Thats what she said! :lol:

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Post#11 » by PHXfan85 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:49 am

Where's Bayless in that POR trade? He has to be in a J Rich trade.
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Post#12 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:54 am

Sweet. Thanks for the inside man!
Here's another toss at it, Jason Richardson for Rip Hamilton. The best deal for the Suns and the Pistons (though Pistons fans don't want to admit it). No one wants Richardson for a young player, but no one wants Rip (contract) either. Suns are locked in with Nash for the next decade (or two), might as well lock the rest of the team down. Plus I'm intrigued to see how a Nash, Rip, Amare trio could do. Rip has way better handles than J-Rich, and doesn't play the stupid role either.
Please, if a trade were to happen, make this one be it.


*EDIT Probably have to throw in Robin Lopez and Kwame Brown. Just sayin'.
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Post#13 » by BurningHeart » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:09 am

I want Troy Murphy's rebounding.
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Post#14 » by DirtyDez » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:10 am

My realistic dream lineup:
Nash
Rudy Fernandez
Dudley
Amare
Lopez

-Perimeter D with Rudy, interior D with RoLo and scoring all around. Frye for Rudy straight up works in the trade-checker. Lopez starts, Collins back-up then we draft a big in the 2nd round or aquire via trade. This coming off-season somebody will take J-Rich because of his expiring contract. We then have the $ to resign Amare with J-Rich leaving...
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Post#15 » by nashrambler13 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:14 am

BurningHeart wrote:I want Troy Murphy's rebounding.

other than the fact that hes troy murphy, i'm down!
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Post#16 » by eljayyyyyyyyyy » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:15 am

if anything i rather just traded amare for 1st round picks for consecutive years, something like the bulls did with the knicks, and just used jrich to get a big man replacement.
theres no such thing as defense in phoenix.
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Post#17 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:16 am

The more and more I look at it, the more I think Sarver and Kerr would love to get Rip here.
Here's why:
The next four years the Suns stay under the luxury tax, the Suns stay "competitive," and Sarver keeps on making money. Kerr would just like Rip because he is a hard worker. By doing a trade of Jason Richardson, Robin Lopez (2nd Round Pick too maybe) for Rip and Kwame Brown also saves Sarver money instantly if the Suns cut Kwame (4mil). The Suns would have to find another backup in free agency, but for a much cheaper price than 4mil.

BTW, I'd much rather trade everyone but Amare, but since that isn't a real option, I gotta make use with what we got, and what $arver would actually approve of.
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Post#18 » by Kerrsed » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:21 am

Just throwing some s*** at the wall and seeing if anything will stick.

Trade #1: Amare to CHI for Hinnrich/Tyrus Thomas/James Johnson/Draft Pick?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzfxbzn
CHI gets 1 superstar and rolls out a starting 5 of:
Rose/Salmons/Deng/Amare/Noah

Trade #2: Jrich to PHI for Dalembert/1st R Pick
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ma6xfm
Bad contract for a slightly better contract? PHI rolls out a starting 5 of:
Iverson/Iggy/Jrich/Brand/Spreights (that is if they keep Iggy and not send him away for Tmac!)

Trade #3: A 3-way between Us, TOR, and NJ.
Nash/Barbosa to TOR, Calderon/Lopez/Collins/TOR 1st round pick to NJ, and Harris/Bosh/Yi to Us

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg6p9p4
TOR starts: Nash/Barbosa/Turkeyglue/Johnson/Bargnani
NJ , IDK what they will/are doing. screw 'em! They team up the twins, and get a new starting PG in return for Harris!

The NEW Suns!
Harris/Dragic
Hill/Hinrich
Dudley/Clark/Johnson
Bosh/Tyrus/Yi
Dalembert/Frye/Amundson

We get some players that can play defense (Dalembert/Bosh/Hinrich) and some young talent (Tyrus/Johnson) and maybe a few draft picks!

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Post#19 » by DirtyDez » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:22 am

1. Amare to NJ for Yi + John Wall
2. Frye for Rudy
3. J-Rich for RIP or expiring
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Post#20 » by OrangeNation » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:33 am

J-Rich + Barbosa for L. James + filler
J-Rich + Barbosa for C. Bosh + filler
J-Rich + Barbosa for D. Wade + filler
J-Rich + Barbosa for D. Howard + filler
Guys, just because the salary match, it doesn't mean it makes sense. :lol:

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