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Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:42 am
by AZWildByNature
Amar'e Stoudemire believes he will get a 5-year contract for $70 million from either Miami, New Jersey, Cleveland, Chicago, or New York.
If Amar'e Stoudemire walks and the Suns get nothing for him and they will take a step backwards next year.
Amar'e Stoudemire could return to the Suns and help them complete a sign-and-trade, alllowing them to get some players and possibly a trade exception.
Amar'e Stoudemire was has offered two years at $14 million on top of next years salary of over $17 million. But he wants a four-year extension on top of next year.
Please, choose your prediction from the above poll. Thanks
Comments, welcome...
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:50 am
by MaryvalesFinest
Hate to say it but he probably just walks...Sarver will try to spin it like Amare is the bad guy and he still saves money so it's a win-win situation for him...
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:08 am
by dantian
Sarver will hire Colangelo back as a minor owner with full power over the baskeball issues. Amare will resign to market price, which ever that is, with a promise that he gets guys like Monta Ellis to make up the core.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:11 am
by Jimmy76
surprised im the only one that voted tpe
by far the most likely result
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:12 am
by nevetsov
Eh we'll make an offer to him the equivalent of what any other team does.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:44 am
by eastsidecrossover
Please no, no Monta Ellis.
I think they reach an agreement and he resigns. That is what I hope, but my brain says he will walk.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:11 am
by Seattlesun
My hope is that the low balling offers the Suns received for him by way of trade will mean that there is not a ton of interest in paying him more than the Suns can pay. And I hope moving forward the Suns brass determines they will be a better team with Amare than without. Amare has said often enough that he wants to be in Phoenix, it comes down to Suns management getting it done and I think they will.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:06 am
by harshey1388
Seattlesun wrote:My hope is that the low balling offers the Suns received for him by way of trade will mean that there is not a ton of interest in paying him more than the Suns can pay. And I hope moving forward the Suns brass determines they will be a better team with Amare than without. Amare has said often enough that he wants to be in Phoenix, it comes down to Suns management getting it done and i think they will.
it comes down to Suns management getting it done and i
HOPE they will.
fixed.

Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:12 am
by Mr. Sun
Seattlesun wrote:My hope is that the low balling offers the Suns received for him by way of trade will mean that there is not a ton of interest in paying him more than the Suns can pay.
I don't think the issue is money but amount of years.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:26 am
by Seattlesun
harshey1388 wrote:Seattlesun wrote:My hope is that the low balling offers the Suns received for him by way of trade will mean that there is not a ton of interest in paying him more than the Suns can pay. And I hope moving forward the Suns brass determines they will be a better team with Amare than without. Amare has said often enough that he wants to be in Phoenix, it comes down to Suns management getting it done and i think they will.
it comes down to Suns management getting it done and i
HOPE they will.
fixed.

Hehe, duely noted. These people are smarter and care more than we fans might think sometimes, but totally understand your "correction"

Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:30 am
by Seattlesun
Mr. Sun wrote:Seattlesun wrote:My hope is that the low balling offers the Suns received for him by way of trade will mean that there is not a ton of interest in paying him more than the Suns can pay.
I don't think the issue is money but amount of years.
Good point. Kerr said before the season began that no extension would be discussed pending how well Amare returned from the eye injury, do you recall? Now they are willing to talk extension so on some level Amare has answered some of those questions. I would suspect the Suns are happy with the eye, and will look very carefully at the knees after the year. If he looks good which it seems he will based on how he's looking to me, then another couple years will not be an issue.
But as stated, I see progress. 4 months ago - No talk of extension until we see how his health is, Now - talk of extension.
Progress.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:19 am
by ikedog34
I'm just curious as a Rockets fan, but do you think the Rox offer of Battier (great defensive player and leader, and comes off the books in a year), Scola (solid as a rock and expiring if you'd like), Brian Cook's expiring, our probable lotto pick and a Knicks probable lotto pick is that bad of a deal? I wish we got offers like that for players almost assured to leave.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:42 am
by Mr. Sun
ikedog34 wrote:I'm just curious as a Rockets fan, but do you think the Rox offer of Battier (great defensive player and leader, and comes off the books in a year), Scola (solid as a rock and expiring if you'd like), Brian Cook's expiring, our probable lotto pick and a Knicks probable lotto pick is that bad of a deal? I wish we got offers like that for players almost assured to leave.
If it was really offered I would say no, it wasn't a bad deal. I'd jumped on it purely as protection against Amare opting out. However, Kerr must be convinced he can extend Amare to have declined.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:07 pm
by Biscotti
I think the guy wants to play in Miami.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:14 pm
by Frank Lee
MaryvalesFinest wrote:Hate to say it but he probably just walks...Sarver will try to spin it like Amare is the bad guy and he still saves money so it's a win-win situation for him...
yup.... We'll make the play offs, likely get rousted and ousted. Stat will look at the line up, realize no significant changes can be made, and seize the opportunity to play for a team on the rise rather than decline. In fact, I will boldly predict he
asks to be dealt or released. We might garner a pick or marginal player from his departure.
(That or we keep Stat and deal Nash and Barbososo then build a team around Amare causing a minor uproar

)
Really , do you think this organization will pony up an match a big offer ? Almost every move they have made has been to cut costs first, improve team second. Its time to halt this attitude once and for all, get finances under control and go forward. We will be under the tax, and just fine. Knobert can then stop pulling puppet Kerr's strings and perhaps we can shake the 'League Whore' label when it comes to deals. I am weary of these guys and their financial shenanigans.
We'll have aprx 10 mill to spend on 3- 4 guys if Hill and Frye re-up. I think.
Plus...Aren't we allowed to go over the cap with a 5 mill MLE ? And we can add some vets at the min and be over right ? There are provisions.
Frankly, at this point, I dont care. I've weathered Suns storms before.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:14 pm
by hunterxaz
I'm convinced the Suns want to win and make some noise in the playoffs. I think the Suns take a hard look at how to get rid of J-Rich this summer, so we can get that ~14 mil in cap space open for this summer. Stat will stay.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:29 pm
by NashtyNas
If you guy's think $14M/year is ridiculous for what Amar'e brings to the table, you either have a personal grudge against him, your just just plain blind. If we can get him to negotiate a deal where he's extended to ~$14M or a bit less per year over 3-4 years after next year, we do it and don't look back. If we give him the 4 year extension he is seeking, I would think he's smart enough to go down a few mil to stay in a place that changed his life; he might seem stubborn, but he's a good guy. I don't understand why half of you want him to walk, we'd be left with nothing and this time would be set back for ages.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:46 pm
by WTFsunsFTW
sd1306 wrote:If you guy's think $14M/year is ridiculous for what Amar'e brings to the table, you either have a personal grudge against him, your just just plain blind. If we can get him to negotiate a deal where he's extended to ~$14M or a bit less per year over 3-4 years after next year, we do it and don't look back. If we give him the 4 year extension he is seeking, I would think he's smart enough to go down a few mil to stay in a place that changed his life; he might seem stubborn, but he's a good guy. I don't understand why half of you want him to walk, we'd be left with nothing and this time would be set back for ages.
Uh, the only reason we want him at less than 14M is because the CBA is about to gut the salary cap. You need to understand the whole story before you start shaming those around you.
A year ago everyone on this board would have been fine giving a near-max contract to him.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:20 pm
by ma_falaa_50
U know I dont get why the media always pick on amare and sarver bout the contract stuff cuz BOOZE is doing the same thing with Utah.
Re: Early Prediction on Amar'e
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:45 pm
by mikitodc
Frank Lee wrote:yup.... We'll make the play offs, likely get rousted and ousted. Stat will look at the line up, realize no significant changes can be made, and seize the opportunity to play for a team on the rise rather than decline. In fact, I will boldly predict he
asks to be dealt or released. We might garner a pick or marginal player from his departure.
(That or we keep Stat and deal Nash and Barbososo then build a team around Amare causing a minor uproar

)
Really , do you think this organization will pony up an match a big offer ? Almost every move they have made has been to cut costs first, improve team second. Its time to halt this attitude once and for all, get finances under control and go forward. We will be under the tax, and just fine. Knobert can then stop pulling puppet Kerr's strings and perhaps we can shake the 'League Whore' label when it comes to deals. I am weary of these guys and their financial shenanigans.
While I admit there is a frugal nature to Sarver's approach on certain things, he's gotten better. I think, as others have stated, that the new CBA isn't something to scoff at. Amare's negotiation isn't about money per year, it's about the number of years we're willing to give him. By extending him max in terms of years we'd be crippling out future building once the new CBA hits. As much as that screams cost-cutting in reality it's looking toward the future. In regard to the league whore label I think Kerr decided to ditch that hat as he turned down all the crap offers. That took balls and even though it didn't pay any immediate dividends I feel in the future when he stands his ground we're going to reap the rewards.