UFC 91

[cowboyronnie]

Randy showed he has been overrated his entire career because he is american, the first coach of TUF, and old.

LMAO @ you

[Cammo101]

so basically what i thought happened would happen. Randy showed he has a glass chin, and has been overrated his entire career because he is american, the first coach of TUF, and old. KenFlo dominated, and Maia with the easy submission.

Now Lesnar did also grab the fence, TWICE, when Randy tried to take him down. It is a natural reaction to do that, but unfortunately we will never know what would have happened had Lesnar hit the ground.

Couture needs to go away now, because he is Ken Shamrock it just hasn't been entirely shown yet. If he continues to fight he will continue to lose if the match-ups are not perfect stylistic match-ups for him. As long as he continues to fight overweight fighters with no heart like Sylvia and Gonzaga he should be fine.

Lesnar fighting Nog will be funny. I am sure for some stupid reason Lesnar will be the betting favorite. Lesnar's stand-up isn't good, Couture's stand-up is just THAT BAD, and that slow.

Lesnar will not be able to finish Nog on the ground, if he takes Nog down he will get submitted. His only chance to win the fight is to somehow do something that no one has been able to do and KO nog, even if he knocks him down like Sylvia and Herring did, Nog will still submit him. That is why Herring didn't rush in to finish Nog, because he knew he would be submitted.

The Mir fight may be more interesting because he has no gas tank, a terrible chin, terrible stand-up, and is afraid of getting hit, but there is no way he is beating nog.


and it is complete bull if Cain Velazquez ends up being cut by the UFC for the licensing bull.

Wow. There is a heaping helping of dumb in here. Randy has only been KOed 3 times ever, and 2 of those are Liddell. He has one of the best chins in MMA.

Lesnar has a great chance to beat Nog. Lesnar has to keep the fight standing, which he should be able to do with his vastly superior striking. Lesnar does not have to finish Nog on the ground...he does not even have to finish him. He can just punch him for 5 rounds. He will do just what Sylvia was doing when he was pasting Nog, except Nog won't be able to take Brock down.

[jTF2]

^ I think we should separate KO power with striking ability. Lesnar is pathetic in the 'striking' dept but makes up for it with insta-KO power with each shot he takes.

[Cammo101]

I thought Lesnar's standup looked much improved, but he clearly is still a work in progress. Regardless though, he would easily outstrike Nog if the fight stayed standing.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I don't like P4P rankings too much, because I hate when chose the weight class that suits them better rather than stay at their best fighting weight.
One thing is not having Brock Lesnar vs BJ Penn, another is having Anderson Silva avoiding his natural 205 division to fight at 185.

On this premise, I'm going with Fedor because he walks at the same weight most LHW do, but is so good that he can bang with the big boys, several punds and inches bigger than him. If that isn't P4P dominance...

[cowboyronnie]

that isn't p4p dominance...

[Chach]

Do you all smoke rocks? My god the stupidity...

Serra did not own GSP in the first fight. Have you seen the fight? He clips him in the back of the head, lands a good punch while GSP was staggered and then destroys GSP from there. He destroys a staggered GSP who got hit in the back of the head, no **** he's going to look bad. What happens in the re-match? Over just as quick as the first except GSP dominates him. You say he loses a fight to Matt Hughes? Yeah, at 4:59 seconds. He literally tapped as the bell rung because he made a noobie mistake, overcommitted to a kimura and Hughes countered by rolling him into an armbar. That first fight was pretty evenly matched to that point so had GSP waited one extra second, he could potentially have only one fluke loss on his record. He has also beaten the top of his weight class consistently.

For me, P4P is being dominant compared to your peers and weight class. Anderson Silva is the most dominant champ of any division but that is in part because the MW is so thin. The only guys who have a legit case for a title shot are Hendo 2 and Franklin 3. I like Marquart but I'm iffy about him "deserving" a shot and both Bisping and Maia are close to #1 contender status but that is it for the MW division. Patrick Cote did not deserve a title shot, especially after that crappy fight against Almeida. So Silva loses point in my book because he isn't fighting top talent. Fedor gets that knock as well. Fedor probably gets it by default in my book but GSP is very close.

How do you have Mike Brown in your top 10 but not Faber? I like Mike Brown but Brown-Faber II will go the same way as GSP-Serra II. Faber got caught being too cute with an spinning elbow and caught a fantastic punch. Had he survived until the end of the round, he would have dismantled Brown because of his rib injury he sustained in the first round. One punch does not upset the rankings that much. Do you edit Sherdog?

Frank Shamrock hasn't won a fight in 5 years, Randy was the champ and held his own against a half human/half gorilla hybrid during the first round and just got KTFO in the second. I don't consider that a fraud. Randy's prime has passed but he can still be an effective fighter against a number of fighters. That's hard to say about most 45 year olds.

Sorry to sound like such a dick but some of the responses I read just had me floored. mahalo
~Chach~

[Cammo101]

You don't think Mike Brown has been dominate at 145? Go back and look at his loses and see how many came at 155. Mike Brown has been just as dominate at 145 as Faber, and with a head to head victory.

Faber is a great fighter too, and definitely worthy of being in a top 10, but some guys have to fall on the outside.

[cowboyronnie]

But the division is incredibly weak. Being on top of it is not impressive. I don't even think Faber is very good. Yamamoto would destroy him.

[Chach]

Both are great fighters but 1)Faber is better and 2)it was an even match, possibly with a slight edge to Faber until Brown got that lucky punch in. First round win for Faber in the re-match. And like Ronnie says, there isn't a ton in that division. Pulver is old, Curran I think is dropping to bantamweight and then you have Garcia, who beat an aging Pulver, as the main title threat. Some nice guys are fighting in Japan so when DREAM folds then the division will stack up nicely and we will see who is the truly dominant champ but so far the WEC division suffers from the Silva Syndrome. mahalo
~Chach~

[cowboyronnie]

Yamamoto is a far better wrestler than Brown and a thousand times the striker that either is. He fought Masoto in K-1, FFS. And was challenging for Japan's Olympic wrestling team. He'd finish either of them in the first round.

[Cammo101]

Lets see Yamamoto start fighting some big name fighters. I would love to see him come over here and start fighting the best at 135 and 145. I like Kid, but he seems to be coasting along on average fighters right now.