My Top 50 MMA P4P Rankings

Cammo101 · Post #1 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Feb 7, 2009 10:12 pm

I posted this on my blog and figured it might start some fun conversation...

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Anderson Silva
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Miguel Angel Torres
5. Rashad Evans
6. BJ Penn
7. Dan Henderson
8. Mike Thomas Brown
9. Urijah Faber
10. Thiago Alves
11. Forrest Griffin
12. Quentin Jackson
13. Jon Fitch
14. Lyoto Machida
15. Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto
16. Rich Franklin
17. Josh Barnett
18. Kenny Florian
19. Shinya Aoki
20. Andrei Arlovski
21. Josh Koscheck
22. Jake Shields
23. Sean Sherk
24. Robbie Lawler
25. Yushin Okami
26. Gegard Mousasi
27. Masakatsu Ueda
28. Chuck Liddell
29. Diego Sanchez
30. Joachim Hansen
31. Eddie Alvarez
32. Frank Mir
33. Brock Lesnar
34. Hatsu Hioki
35. Brian Bowles
36. Mauricio Rua
37. Antonio "Minotauro" Nogueira
38. Josh Thomson
39. Leonard Garcia
40. Wagnney Fabiano
41. Thiago Silva
42. Randy Couture
43. JZ Calvancante
44. Nate Marquart
45. Tatsuya Kawajiri
46. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
47. Vitor Belfort
48. Michael Bisping
49. Tim Sylvia
50. Jorge Santiago

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cowboyronnie · Post #2 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sat Feb 7, 2009 11:21 pm

Brown, Alves and Henderson are all ranked too high. Pretty much everyone you have 12-21 is better than them, pretty much.

Mousasi, Lesnar and JZ should all be higher.

Post #3 » by **CPT** » Sun Feb 8, 2009 12:25 am

Pretty solid list. I've got a few problems with it (I wouldn't have Liddell ranked that high at this point, a lot of the Dream LWs should be higher), but for a top 50, it's pretty good.

SpReEfOrAlL · Post #4 » by **SpReEfOrAlL** » Sun Feb 8, 2009 2:33 am

Chuck is above alot of people he shouldnt be. in my opinion.

nizaam · Post #5 » by **nizaam** » Sun Feb 8, 2009 11:07 pm

LOL Thiago Alves hasn't proved nothing yet. I would have Llyoto Machidaa up there. He's going to be one of the most dominant of all time.

Cammo101 · Post #6 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 12:47 am

nizaam wrote:LOL Thiago Alves hasn't proved nothing yet. I would have Llyoto Machidaa up there. He's going to be one of the most dominant of all time.

I like both guys a lot, but to say Alves has proven nothing and then pump up Machida is kind of funny. Alves has more wins over solid opponents than Machida does. Machida is a very nice fighter, but his resume does not match up IMO. Alves has fought a ton of tough guys, including 5 fights against top 10 level guys in his division (Koscheck, Fitch, Karo, Hughes, Marcus Davis). Machida has fought 2 top 10 level guys, and neither of those are for sure top 10's (Thiago Silva, Franklin).

Machida is a tough dude, but he needs some bigger fights before we go putting him in the top 10 IMO.

cowboyronnie · Post #7 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 1:17 am

Has Machida taken a punch, nevermind a loss?

Cammo101 · Post #8 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 1:33 am

cowboyronnie wrote:Has Machida taken a punch, nevermind a loss?

He and Franklin mixed it up a bit in their fight. He has noty fought many guys who will take the fight to him. I would love to see Machida fight Forest or Rampage.

sh00n · Post #9 » by **sh00n** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:05 am

Lyoto has to be a lot higher. I think he'll be at least top 5 in everyone's books by the end of this year.

Cammo101 · Post #10 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:26 am

sh00n wrote:Lyoto has to be a lot higher. I think he'll be at least top 5 in everyone's books by the end of this year.

You may be right, he has a ton of talent, but first he has to beat some people with a pulse.

harry lockheart · Post #11 » by **harry lockheart** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:59 pm

TIm Sylvia is ranked too low even I don't ever want to see him fight again.

Brian Bowles? There's no way he's a top fifty fighter. He's getting a title shot because there aren't enough good people in his division in the WEC.

Leonard Garcia was just beat by Cole Miller two fights ago. His big win is against Jens Pulver who has lost 4 of his last 5.

Vitor Belfort's fight against Lindland proved nothing we didn't already know. He has a great left hand and is dangerous in the first few minutes of the first round. He's had one win against top tier competition in the last 10 years (not counting the Couture fight) and it was a quick knockout. I need to see a lot more.

I'm not ready to put Mike Brown as top 10 fighter. How far does he drop on your list if Urijah beats the crap out of him when they fight like he would have last time if not for a fluke KO?

Not a bad list, though.

cowboyronnie · Post #12 » by **cowboyronnie** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:06 pm

All good points ^^^

Cammo101 · Post #13 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:14 am

harry lockheart wrote:TIm Sylvia is ranked too low even I don't ever want to see him fight again.

Brian Bowles? There's no way he's a top fifty fighter. He's getting a title shot because there aren't enough good people in his division in the WEC.

Leonard Garcia was just beat by Cole Miller two fights ago. His big win is against Jens Pulver who has lost 4 of his last 5.

Vitor Belfort's fight against Lindland proved nothing we didn't already know. He has a great left hand and is dangerous in the first few minutes of the first round. He's had one win against top tier competition in the last 10 years (not counting the Couture fight) and it was a quick knockout. I need to see a lot more.

I'm not ready to put Mike Brown as top 10 fighter. How far does he drop on your list if Urijah beats the crap out of him when they fight like he would have last time if not for a fluke KO?

Not a bad list, though.

Some very interesting stuff here, but I will argue 2 of your points. Bowles is a top 2 or 3 BW in the world, not the WEC. Pretty much any site that does rankngs has Torres #1, with Bowles or Ueda #2 and #3. Also, Mike Brown is far from a one fight flash in the pan. He is 20-4, with his losses coming to Genki Sudo, Joe Lauzon, Hermes Franca, and Mazakazu Imanara. 3 of those losses were at lightweight, and at featherweight, he has wins over Mark Homminick, Jeff Curran, and Urijah Faber. Mike Brown has been dominate since his move to featherweight. Mike Brown had a very good chance of beating Faber when they fought, he is the bigger, stronger man and is a very good fighter. He beat Faber, and you can rationalize it all you want, but he still did. If Faber had beat him, he would likely be in the 20's somewhere. But, you could say that about a lot of guys on this list. The idea is to reward winners.