UFC 98: Rashad Evans v Lyoto Machida

[El Hardee]

You seem to be missing my point Cammo, if you dont have the right angle you just cant shoot, no matter how good your wrestling is. You keep saying "he needs to use his wresting", well you need to be in the proper position to use your wrestling. A miss timed shot can lead to disaster, especially with a counter striker with the timing of Machida. (Guillitine,Knee,Get your back took)

[Cammo101]

You seem to be missing my point Cammo, if you dont have the right angle you just cant shoot, no matter how good your wrestling is. You keep saying "he needs to use his wresting", well you need to be in the proper position to use your wrestling. A miss timed shot can lead to disaster, especially with a counter striker with the timing of Machida. (Guillitine,Knee,Get your back took)

I get what you are saying and you are right. I'm making a much more general statement. Rashad has not used his wrestling since the Tito fight really.

It sure didn't look like Rashad had any plans to take Machida down, angles or no angles.

[magee]

^That's because Rashad played into Machida's hand. Evans has knocked out a fair chunk of opponents on his feet and has barely done anything on the ground. Machida may not has shown much to the masses as far as ground work goes, but Evans had almost as much confidence in his ground game as he did throwing those kicks. Evans has a couple opportunities and didn't calculate his possibilities in time. Awesome fight. Glad The Dragon won.

[CPT]

I was really stoked for this fight because I had no idea what was going to happen. Excellent performance by Machida.

Agreed. But, it was also a pretty piss poor performance by Rashad. He seems to have gone the Josh Koscheck route of completely forgetting you can wrestle. Some of these elite wrestlers who learn standup and just stop wrestling need to go back and watch some Randy Couture tapes. I'm looking at you Rashad, Koscheck, and Sherk.

Umm... what is wrong with Koscheck ? His last fight which he lost, was early stoppage by the ref that shouldn't have happened.

If he had used his wrestling advantage to take Thiago down instead of trying to stand and trade, he probably wouldn't have lost that fight.

[cowboyronnie]

Thiago's stand-up was terrible and he's a BJJ guy. No way should Kos have taken him down.

[El Hardee]

Thiago's stand-up was terrible and he's a BJJ guy. No way should Kos have taken him down.

+1, Thiago's hands were a joke, he was in there for his ground work. Kos did the right thing by keeping it on the feet, he just got caught with a lucky punch. It happens.

[cowboyronnie]

The UFC has also got to be paying dudes on the side for standing-up and not going to ground-fighting.

[CPT]

I don't think they explicitly do it like EliteXC, but there's no decision of the night bonus, that's for sure.

[El Hardee]

The UFC has also got to be paying dudes on the side for standing-up and not going to ground-fighting.

Of course, if a guy is set to 10,000 for a fight, they ussually give a 20,000 bonus for ko of the night, and another 20,000 for fight of the night. If you get into a war you have a good chance of getting the KO and FOTN, if I had a choice between 10,000 and 50,000 I might take a chance. I now some prelim fighters for the UFC and they say the same thing I want to go out and bang for awhile to try and get the FOTN or KOTN.

[cowboyronnie]

I mean, aside from those bonuses, the UFC has got to be encouraging boxing matches.

Then again, maybe guys are just looking for affirmation from the crowd...sick of getting booed.

[Hilltop]

and for fun...

I remember that. It's hilarious how Tito Ortiz said that Machida was running away from him the whole time when the fight was over. Ortiz held the center of the octagon that whole fight, but that doesn't dictate who is and who isn't "pushing the pace". Last I checked, Tito was taken down a couple times, cut on the face, pounded a few on the ground, and almost knocked out with that knee to the body. I didn't see any offense from Tito whatsoever, nor did I see him trying to initiate anything at all.

[Nemesis21]

CPT ,

Are you talking about Thiago Alves or Paulo Thiago ? If you're talking about Paulo, that fight was stopped to early by the ref, yeah Kos got rocked but he recovered quick and was getting up.
If you're talking about Alves, BJJ guys can be hard at times for wrestler's to take down.

[pugilistfan]

[/quote]Machida deserves all the credit for winning. Rashad completely forgetting his wrestling happened long before the Machida fight.[/quote]

Evans got inside on Machida. And Machida pushed him off like a little girl.

There was nothing Evans couldve done to win that fight.

[pugilistfan]

Thiago's stand-up was terrible and he's a BJJ guy. No way should Kos have taken him down.

+1, Thiago's hands were a joke, he was in there for his ground work. Kos did the right thing by keeping it on the feet, he just got caught with a lucky punch. It happens.

It wasnt lucky.

Kos just isnt very good. When you're a mediocre boxer you can lose to inferior fighters at anytime.

[pugilistfan]

CPT ,

Are you talking about Thiago Alves or Paulo Thiago ? If you're talking about Paulo, that fight was stopped to early by the ref, yeah Kos got rocked but he recovered quick and was getting up.
If you're talking about Alves, BJJ guys can be hard at times for wrestler's to take down.

For wrestlers, BJJ guys are fairly easy to takedown. Kos could get a takedown on Paulo anytime. He just didnt go for it.

[Cammo101]

CPT ,

Are you talking about Thiago Alves or Paulo Thiago ? If you're talking about Paulo, that fight was stopped to early by the ref, yeah Kos got rocked but he recovered quick and was getting up.
If you're talking about Alves, BJJ guys can be hard at times for wrestler's to take down.

For wrestlers, BJJ guys are fairly easy to takedown. Kos could get a takedown on Paulo anytime. He just didnt go for it.

He thought, rightly, that he had the better boxing. A take down risks him being tapped by a very good BJJ guy. I think Kos needs to get back to wrestling, but in that fight I understand why he stood. Thiago's standup was garbage, but he landed a nice punch and in MMA it only takes one.