TUF 9 Finale... this saturday June 20th

[The Flying Gent]

For anyone who has this recorded, check out about 2 minutes left in the Pearson/Winner match.
Listen to Joe Rogan. I was watching it and thought it was really strange. The entire fight he was talking about it be boring, which was fine, and was talking about Pearson "throwing punches out of desperation", and as though Winner was the one who was up (which is what it looked like). Then Rogan says something, there is Pause and then Joe replies to goldberg in a tone of agreement(despite goldberg not saying anything) "Ya, it does look like winner is fading a little bit here Mike" (though mike said nothing in relation to the coming thought) to which Mike replies with something about he noticed that earlier. etc etc.
It sounded a lot like they had been fed something through their ear piece, perhaps to discuss the grueling nature of the clinch and to pump Pearson, because the entire tone of their announcing changed right then. Moments before Pearson was "desperate", "knowing he had make something happen", to being the favorite.

Im not saying its rigged, because i don't think that at all. But from how that sounded it reminded me of when people get fed things from their ear phones, and then talk over the voice in the ear, and they spit out something kind of out of no where. Wrestling does it all the time, and it because very evident when they are being fed a line.

It's a way to micro manage the product, which WWE has abused and many announcers left over (mic foley was vocal about it), so I wouldn't think it out of the norm for the UFC to do so (on a much lesser scale).

In this instance it looked as though they were hyping Winner, and then were told to hype Pearson for the final two, because after that pause it immediately went to him being the favorite via the announcers.

Might be nothing at all, but i just thought it sounded strange. If you can bare through it, watch the third round and see what i mean.

You're conspiracy theories are not bound to the CA board i see.

[Headliner]

For anyone who has this recorded, check out about 2 minutes left in the Pearson/Winner match.
Listen to Joe Rogan. I was watching it and thought it was really strange. The entire fight he was talking about it be boring, which was fine, and was talking about Pearson "throwing punches out of desperation", and as though Winner was the one who was up (which is what it looked like). Then Rogan says something, there is Pause and then Joe replies to goldberg in a tone of agreement(despite goldberg not saying anything) "Ya, it does look like winner is fading a little bit here Mike" (though mike said nothing in relation to the coming thought) to which Mike replies with something about he noticed that earlier. etc etc.
It sounded a lot like they had been fed something through their ear piece, perhaps to discuss the grueling nature of the clinch and to pump Pearson, because the entire tone of their announcing changed right then. Moments before Pearson was "desperate", "knowing he had make something happen", to being the favorite.

Im not saying its rigged, because i don't think that at all. But from how that sounded it reminded me of when people get fed things from their ear phones, and then talk over the voice in the ear, and they spit out something kind of out of no where. Wrestling does it all the time, and it because very evident when they are being fed a line.

It's a way to micro manage the product, which WWE has abused and many announcers left over (mic foley was vocal about it), so I wouldn't think it out of the norm for the UFC to do so (on a much lesser scale).

In this instance it looked as though they were hyping Winner, and then were told to hype Pearson for the final two, because after that pause it immediately went to him being the favorite via the announcers.

Might be nothing at all, but i just thought it sounded strange. If you can bare through it, watch the third round and see what i mean.

You're conspiracy theories are not bound to the CA board i see.

Hahaha...I believe it was the council on foreign relations in Joe Rogan's ear...or maybe David Rockefeller himself!

[CPT]

RE: Pearson vs. Winner, I wasn't paying full attention during that fight, but I think it's entirely possible that they started talking up Pearson when he started winning the fight. I heard them making Winner sound good early, when he was looking good, and then I heard them talking up Pearson at the end, when he was looking good. I don't know when the turning point was, but I really don't think there's much to this.

I just watched it again, out of curiosity, and about a minute before Joe said "yeah Mike, it does look like Winner might be fading" or whatever, Goldberg said something like "Winner may be slowing down a little bit here, Pearson's been leaning on him and maybe draining his cardio." So yeah, this is nothing.

I don't doubt that sometimes Rogan/Goldberg get fed lines, but I don't think this was one of those times.

[Cammo101]

That judge who did NOT give a 10-8 round to Sanchez should die.

I did not think it was a 10-8 round. Diego landed a lot of stuff, but he never really had Guida rocked and Guida was fighting the entire round. Diego won the round easily, but he did not do enough IMO to get a 10-8 round. I still had Diego winning the fight 29-28.

[jTF2]

My criteria for a 10-8 round is pure domination and damage inflicted for the majority of a round by one fighter. Diego meets that criteria and excelled in that first round.

[Cammo101]

My criteria for a 10-8 round is pure domination and damage inflicted for the majority of a round by one fighter. Diego meets that criteria and excelled in that first round.

Diego clearly had a great round, but I don't see the damage being there for a 10-8 round. Guida never seemed close to the fight ending and he was fighting back the whole round. He really only got put down once on the headkick and he popped right back up.

[damo[23]]

Well, for a TUF Finale, how good was that? Great event.

[jTF2]

My criteria for a 10-8 round is pure domination and damage inflicted for the majority of a round by one fighter. Diego meets that criteria and excelled in that first round.

Diego clearly had a great round, but I don't see the damage being there for a 10-8 round. Guida never seemed close to the fight ending and he was fighting back the whole round. He really only got put down once on the headkick and he popped right back up.

This is MMA scoring, not boxing.

[Cammo101]

My criteria for a 10-8 round is pure domination and damage inflicted for the majority of a round by one fighter. Diego meets that criteria and excelled in that first round.

Diego clearly had a great round, but I don't see the damage being there for a 10-8 round. Guida never seemed close to the fight ending and he was fighting back the whole round. He really only got put down once on the headkick and he popped right back up.

This is MMA scoring, not boxing.

I know, but damage is dependent on hurting the other person. Guida was by and large unhurt in that round.

[jTF2]

wow really? I saw a round dominated by 3.5 minutes of nothing but Diego with relentless strikes from every tool at his disposal and the other 1.5 minutes of smothering from Guida on top. Guida was most definetly hurt during that ordeal and only survived aka appearing not be 'hurt' due to his chin and lion heart.

[2009NBAChamps]

I think Diego clearly won that fight. Re-iterating some other points but even when Guida took Diego down he was still taking a lot of shots and wasn't controlling him that well.

You could give Clay 1 of the 2nd/3rd but it's hard to argue with giving Diego all 3 rounds or even a 10-8 first round, because that was total domination.

Props to Guida though for as usual putting on a great fight and in the process probably drawing in more fans to the sport considering this was a free event.

Didn't catch the other fights that night, but was really disappointed to hear Demarques lost. Anyways, the talent wasn't that great overall and hopefully TUF 10 at least brings a bit more drama, but how could it not with Kimbo, Page and Evans? lol I hope Kimbo winds up on Rampage's team though just the dialogue between those two would be great entertainment.

[CPT]

If I was scoring it, I probably would have given the fight to Diego 30-26, but that's just because I give no credit for lay n pray.

[2009NBAChamps]

If I was scoring it, I probably would have given the fight to Diego 30-26, but that's just because I give no credit for lay n pray.

I wouldn't argue against it as 2nd and 3rd could've even been given to Diego, but c'mon man you can't hate on Clay for this LnP crap. I mean he got a bad rep just because of one fight in the past and even though he didn't do a lot of damage when he got on top of Diego, it's not like he wasn't trying.

[El Hardee]

If I was scoring it, I probably would have given the fight to Diego 30-26, but that's just because I give no credit for lay n pray.

+1, no love for the LNP. Diego dominated, even when Lay was on top he never really tried to pass or anything besides those soft wild hammer fist. I do give Guida credit for standing and banging with Sanchez, that was MMA at its best. Blood, sweat and hair flying was just awsome.

[Headliner]

Is there a page which cites the critera for judging?
I'd love to see a break down.

Takedowns need to changed, while they can be big its more about what you do with them, and it also negates the fact that many of the fighters styles involve them working from their back.

[CPT]

If I was scoring it, I probably would have given the fight to Diego 30-26, but that's just because I give no credit for lay n pray.

I wouldn't argue against it as 2nd and 3rd could've even been given to Diego, but c'mon man you can't hate on Clay for this LnP crap. I mean he got a bad rep just because of one fight in the past and even though he didn't do a lot of damage when he got on top of Diego, it's not like he wasn't trying.

One fight? Ever since his loss to Huerta, Clay N Pray has changed up his style and been much less aggressive. He finished Schiavo, because he's not a UFC level fighter, but his wins over Danzig and Diaz (especially) were pretty much lay and pray decisions. He was trying to do the same thing against Diego, but he got owned from the bottom. I don't even remember him landing much, he was just trying to push him against the cage and defending himself from elbows.

I just think that "octagon control", or whatever, should be decided by who is attacking and who is defending, regardless of where they are. I guess that could fall under aggression, but then what do we need "octagon control" for?