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[El Hardee]

I guess this thread trned into a p4p debate. GSP is at the top of his game and is on somewhat of a hot streak but he has not had the dominate career or victories to be considered on Silva or Fedors level. My top 5 p4p

1 Anderson Silva (the dude has cleaned out his division, beat a gate keeper at LHW and now is going after a former LHW champ)
2 Fedor ( his situation reminds me of Arvydis Sabonis in the early 90's, we might not ever see how great he is)
3 Miguel Torres (Mullet and shorts > frenchy accent and spandex)
4 GSP ( he is hot right now)
5 BJ Penn LW (At 155 no one touches BJ)

[Cammo101]

IMO...

1. Fedor
2. Silva
3. GSP
4. Torres
5. Machida

[Headliner]

People here are conveniently forgetting that short of taking people to the ground and laying on them well, GSP is not dominating anyone. He inflicted little damages on Alves. This idea that GSP is leaving bodies in his wake is fiction. Silva finished Henderson and Franklin twice in a combined 5 rounds. But, since all he did was beat Leites by unanimous decision, he is punished. Meanwhile, GSP wins half his fights by decision, yet he is dominate.

All I am learning in this thread is that people will use some crazy excuses to rank the guy they like #1.

Obviously...oh wait, you weren't talking about yourself?

You're making up fictional scenarios. GSP dominated Penn, aggressively so. If you call that LNP you need to stop talking about MMA, and stick to Keith Jardine fights, because you have zero right to discuss the ground aspect of MMA.

GSP was injured ripping his leg muscle during his Alves fight and he still dominated him.
He also entered the fight with a bum elbow



It's all right to say you don't think he is number one, it's another to make up crazy stories in order to rank the guy you like as #1. (where did i hear that before?)

[damo[23]]

Devils Advocate: Lets not forget that Silva went into, I think it was the Travis Lutter fight, with both legs being bum (he could barely walk afterwards).

How far back to do people go in p4p, cammo obviously is taking things quite far back, but where do people leave off from. Fighters do develop, like in any sport. Things like P4P is to discuss current brilliance shall we say, with a eye obviously on the near past, but say someone had a bad start to their career, should that really count against them, say in GSP's case it was the bad loss against Serra that kicked started his rise to dominance of the WW division. Likewise, I say this because Fedor has begun his decent in competition, and while he is one of the greatest ever, in the current situation its harder to judge him. Does that make any sense in the least?

I don't know why I am getting drawn into this lol, guess its just because I want to see this board become more active/popular lol.

[Cammo101]

I think you take everything into account, while taking the most current stuff into the most account.

I am not a huge far nor do I dislike Fedor, GSP, or Sliva...so I have no stake in any of the 3.

[chaldean]

In this order:

Fedor
GSP
Silva
Machida
Brock

[Cammo101]

In this order:

Fedor
GSP
Silva
Machida
Brock

Silva #3? Brock top 5? Can someone please explain to me one rational way of rating GSP over Silva?

[El Hardee]

In this order:

Fedor
GSP
Silva
Machida
Brock

Silva #3? Brock top 5? Can someone please explain to me one rational way of rating GSP over Silva?

Spandex on a French dude>Spandex on a black dude. I thought you knew!

[kdawg32086]

Fav:
1) Rich Franklin
2) Tito Ortiz
3) Josh Koscheck
4) Nate Quarry(he's a hometown guy)
5) Forrest Griffin

P4p:
1) Fedor
2) Anderson Silva
3) Machida
4) GSP
5) BJ Penn

[CPT]

In this order:

Fedor
GSP
Silva
Machida
Brock

Silva #3? Brock top 5? Can someone please explain to me one rational way of rating GSP over Silva?

GSP has fought tougher competition (including another top 5 P4P guy, something none of the others can claim), has beaten every man he's ever faced, and has a better record.

Which one of those suits you?

Like I've said before, the actual ranking doesn't really matter so much. It's just something to argue about. If everyone agreed on it, it still wouldn't really matter. It pretty much comes down to who has had the most recent fight. Right now, I'm most impressed by GSP's thorough domination of the clear #2 guy in his weight class yet again. Coming off his thorough domination of a top 5 P4P guy, which followed his thorough domination of the clear #2 guy at 170 at that point in time.

To me, beating Fitch, Penn and Alves in the last year >>> Irvin, Cote, Leites in the last year.

If you want to hang on to the fluke loss to Serra over two years ago, which he has since avenged in (guess what?) thoroughly dominant fashion, then that's your choice.

[Cammo101]

In this order:

Fedor
GSP
Silva
Machida
Brock

Silva #3? Brock top 5? Can someone please explain to me one rational way of rating GSP over Silva?

GSP has fought tougher competition (including another top 5 P4P guy, something none of the others can claim), has beaten every man he's ever faced, and has a better record.

Which one of those suits you?

Like I've said before, the actual ranking doesn't really matter so much. It's just something to argue about. If everyone agreed on it, it still wouldn't really matter. It pretty much comes down to who has had the most recent fight. Right now, I'm most impressed by GSP's thorough domination of the clear #2 guy in his weight class yet again. Coming off his thorough domination of a top 5 P4P guy, which followed his thorough domination of the clear #2 guy at 170 at that point in time.

To me, beating Fitch, Penn and Alves in the last year >>> Irvin, Cote, Leites in the last year.

If you want to hang on to the fluke loss to Serra over two years ago, which he has since avenged in (guess what?) thoroughly dominant fashion, then that's your choice.

Silva beat Hendo and Franklin twice. Those guys are tougher competition than anyone GSP has fought except for maybe Penn, who is a natural 155. Franklin twice, Hendo, and Marquart are a tougher foursome than anyone GSP has fought.

I find it hilarious that everyone's magical random cutoff for what we take into account is right about the time GSP got KOed by Serra. You sound like the guy that goes..."sure your team is undefeated and mine has lost, but you can't hang on to that fluke loss from earlier in the year, we beat them later on". Silva has not had to avenge any losses, because he hasn't lost.

[CPT]

GSP has fought tougher competition (including another top 5 P4P guy, something none of the others can claim), has beaten every man he's ever faced, and has a better record.

Which one of those suits you?

Like I've said before, the actual ranking doesn't really matter so much. It's just something to argue about. If everyone agreed on it, it still wouldn't really matter. It pretty much comes down to who has had the most recent fight. Right now, I'm most impressed by GSP's thorough domination of the clear #2 guy in his weight class yet again. Coming off his thorough domination of a top 5 P4P guy, which followed his thorough domination of the clear #2 guy at 170 at that point in time.

To me, beating Fitch, Penn and Alves in the last year >>> Irvin, Cote, Leites in the last year.

If you want to hang on to the fluke loss to Serra over two years ago, which he has since avenged in (guess what?) thoroughly dominant fashion, then that's your choice.

Silva beat Hendo and Franklin twice. Those guys are tougher competition than anyone GSP has fought except for maybe Penn, who is a natural 155. Franklin twice, Hendo, and Marquart are a tougher foursome than anyone GSP has fought.

I find it hilarious that everyone's magical random cutoff for what we take into account is right about the time GSP got KOed by Serra. You sound like the guy that goes..."sure your team is undefeated and mine has lost, but you can't hang on to that fluke loss from earlier in the year, we beat them later on". Silva has not had to avenge any losses, because he hasn't lost.

Matt Hughes is as tough a fight at 170 as Franklin is at 185, at least at the times they fought. I'd argue Hughes at the first time GSP beat him was more dominant than Franklin.

Henderson I'll concede is one bad MF, maybe better than anyone GSP has fought, which is why Silva lost a round, and could lose the rematch if Henderson fights a better fight. But he won, so he gets credit there. But no more credit than GSP gets for beating Fitch and Alves. They may not have the career resumes of Hendo, but they were the clear #2s in the division (a better division), which is all a champion can really do.

Then you have Penn x2, Koscheck, Sherk, Karo, Trigg up against Marquardt, and....Lutter? Leben? Leites? Cote?

You're really making the argument that Silva's competition has been tougher?

And what makes my cutoff any more magical than yours? Last I checked, Silva has 4 losses, of which he has avenged....none. Do we need to see him beat Ryo Chonan to know he can? No, of course not. But we do know that GSP is better than Serra and Hughes, 100%, because he's beaten them.

[Cammo101]

You lost me when you compared beating a past his prime Matt Hughes (one of my all time favorite fighters) to Silva beating Rich Frankin. The only fight of those 3 that took place in Hughes' prime involved GSP tapping. The 2nd Hughes win was a nice win, but by that point he was clearly not on the same level as Franklin and by the 3rd one, not even close. GSP has beat some tough dudes, no doubt, and he is clearly deserving of being in the mix here. But, Silva is 9-0 since entering the Octagon and has torn through an entire division without so much as breaking a sweat and in that time GSP has lost decisively while facing similar levels of talent. If this were a ranking system like any other used in sports, Silva would be ahead of GSP.

Also, why are you so hung up on avenging losses? No one on earth wants to see Silva fight Chonan again and it is surely not his fault it did not happen.

[damo[23]]

Not to get into a P4P arguement again, but this is the exact sort of comment why I don't get into it lol (ironic I am posting it in a thread thats become a p4p discussion yes)

silvas standup may be the most impresive but what about every other facet of mma,...his he gonna survive a round on the floor with fedor,....nah thought not.

From over on the sherdog boards. The ammount of people I see saying this sort of thing. I had two friends screaming at me the exact same thing "Fedor is the pound for pound best because in a fight right now, there is no way Silva beats him". It gets better, one even said "by the time Silva adds the weight to become a HW, he'll be so slow he will lose what makes him good".

[Cammo101]

Yeah, clearly P4P is not what would happen if there are no weight classes. That is just dumb.

[USA]

1. Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. Machida
5. Lesner (there are many more skilled fighters out there but I will put my money on Brock until I am proved wrong)