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Re: Cammo's MMA Rankings 

Post#201 » by singh_shady » Mon Aug 9, 2010 6:12 am

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singh_shady wrote:Why is Roy Nelson so low, he should be ranked 11. No way Sylvia, Rothwell and GG are better than him.

Although I agree with their rankings, it's just weird to see Fedor and BJ ranked so low.


Nelson was #11 before the loss last night. He already has a loss to Rothwell and truthfully he does not even any marquee wins since joining the UFC. He would never have been in a contender fight had it not been for his TUF popularity. I like Big Country, but his resume does not hold up right now to the 3 guys you listed. Truthfully though, 11-17 is a muddled mess at HW.

And yes, it is very weird to see Fedor and BJ that low.


Rothwell and especially Sylvia haven't done anything in years, I agree it's muddled there though.
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Re: Cammo's MMA Rankings 

Post#202 » by Cammo101 » Mon Aug 9, 2010 7:13 am

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singh_shady wrote:Why is Roy Nelson so low, he should be ranked 11. No way Sylvia, Rothwell and GG are better than him.

Although I agree with their rankings, it's just weird to see Fedor and BJ ranked so low.


Nelson was #11 before the loss last night. He already has a loss to Rothwell and truthfully he does not even any marquee wins since joining the UFC. He would never have been in a contender fight had it not been for his TUF popularity. I like Big Country, but his resume does not hold up right now to the 3 guys you listed. Truthfully though, 11-17 is a muddled mess at HW.

And yes, it is very weird to see Fedor and BJ that low.


Rothwell and especially Sylvia haven't done anything in years, I agree it's muddled there though.


Since Rothwell beat Nelson, he has gone 5-2, with wins over Yvel, Krysztof, and Ricco Rodriguez. Nelson has gone 7-3 since that fight, but most of those were against bums in the IFL. He beat a couple of fringe top 25ers in Struve and Schaub, but that is not much to warrant being a borderline top 10 guy. Sylvia has been all over the map lately, but he was a UFC champ not long ago with big names on his resume. I don't see how feasting on IFL guys and a couple marginal wins over Schaub and Struve make Nelson a top 12 guy.

I think he is just more likable than those other two.
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Post#203 » by SDM » Mon Aug 9, 2010 2:28 pm

Nelson tossed Monson around like a ragdoll and arguably won the Rothwell fight. He's been very unlucky with the judges.
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Re: Cammo's MMA Rankings 

Post#204 » by skflives » Mon Aug 9, 2010 4:40 pm

Middleweight (185 lbs.)

1. Anderson Silva
2. Jake Shields
3. Vitor Belfort
4. Chael Sonnen
5. Dan Henderson
6. Nate Marquart
7. Yushin Okami
8. Robbie Lawler
9. Jorge Santiago
10. Hector Lombard
11. Chris Leben
12. Yoshihiro Akiyama
13. Mamed Khalidov
14. Alan Belcher
15. Demian Maia
16. Thales Leites
17. Paulo Filho
18. Wanderlei Silva
19. Michael Bisping
20. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza
21. Tim Kennedy
22. Kazuo Misaki
23. Alessio Sakara
24. Alexander Shlemenko
25. Rousimar Palhares


I like your rankings for the most part and even when I disagree I can understand your possible reasonings. But I really don't know why Paulo Fiho is ranked above Wanderlei Silva,Michael Bisping, Tim Kenedy and Ronaldo Souza.
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Re: Cammo's MMA Rankings 

Post#205 » by CPT » Mon Aug 9, 2010 10:44 pm

skflives wrote:
Middleweight (185 lbs.)

1. Anderson Silva
2. Jake Shields
3. Vitor Belfort
4. Chael Sonnen
5. Dan Henderson
6. Nate Marquart
7. Yushin Okami
8. Robbie Lawler
9. Jorge Santiago
10. Hector Lombard
11. Chris Leben
12. Yoshihiro Akiyama
13. Mamed Khalidov
14. Alan Belcher
15. Demian Maia
16. Thales Leites
17. Paulo Filho
18. Wanderlei Silva
19. Michael Bisping
20. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza
21. Tim Kennedy
22. Kazuo Misaki
23. Alessio Sakara
24. Alexander Shlemenko
25. Rousimar Palhares


I like your rankings for the most part and even when I disagree I can understand your possible reasonings. But I really don't know why Paulo Fiho is ranked above Wanderlei Silva,Michael Bisping, Tim Kenedy and Ronaldo Souza.


Filho has taken a lot of **** for being crazy, but at the end of the day, the guy is still 20-1, with some wins over guys on this list.
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Re: Cammo's MMA Rankings 

Post#206 » by Cammo101 » Mon Aug 9, 2010 11:19 pm

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skflives wrote:
Middleweight (185 lbs.)

1. Anderson Silva
2. Jake Shields
3. Vitor Belfort
4. Chael Sonnen
5. Dan Henderson
6. Nate Marquart
7. Yushin Okami
8. Robbie Lawler
9. Jorge Santiago
10. Hector Lombard
11. Chris Leben
12. Yoshihiro Akiyama
13. Mamed Khalidov
14. Alan Belcher
15. Demian Maia
16. Thales Leites
17. Paulo Filho
18. Wanderlei Silva
19. Michael Bisping
20. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza
21. Tim Kennedy
22. Kazuo Misaki
23. Alessio Sakara
24. Alexander Shlemenko
25. Rousimar Palhares


I like your rankings for the most part and even when I disagree I can understand your possible reasonings. But I really don't know why Paulo Fiho is ranked above Wanderlei Silva,Michael Bisping, Tim Kenedy and Ronaldo Souza.


Filho has taken a lot of **** for being crazy, but at the end of the day, the guy is still 20-1, with some wins over guys on this list.


You beat me to it and said exactly what I was going to say. The guy is 20-1-1, and has victories over Sonnen, Manhoef, Doerksen, Misaki, Chonan, Ninja Rua, Suloev, Kondo, and Minowaman. Had he not gone crazy and left the public eye, he may very well be in the top 10 right now.

Compare that to Wanderlei Silva, who has lost 5 of his last 7 fights, and I have no idea what possible reason you could have for Silva over Filho. Truthfully, after going back on researching this post, I feel like Filho is now underrated in my top 25.
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Post#207 » by SDM » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:24 am

Filho should definitely be higher.
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Post#208 » by skflives » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:32 am

You beat me to it and said exactly what I was going to say. The guy is 20-1-1, and has victories over Sonnen, Manhoef, Doerksen, Misaki, Chonan, Ninja Rua, Suloev, Kondo, and Minowaman. Had he not gone crazy and left the public eye, he may very well be in the top 10 right now.

Compare that to Wanderlei Silva, who has lost 5 of his last 7 fights, and I have no idea what possible reason you could have for Silva over Filho. Truthfully, after going back on researching this post, I feel like Filho is now underrated in my top 25.


Wanderlei Silva's last 7 opponents ranked worst to best:Keith Jardine, Michael Bisping, Chuck Liddell, Quentin Rampage Jackson,Rich Franklin, Dan Henderson and Mirko Cro Cop. I don't know about you but I don't think anyone should be embarrassed to be 2-5 in their last 7 fights if those where the 7 guys they fought. If Filho's last 7 were against a lineup that stacked how well would he have done.

Hell, according to your own list, amongst Filho's last 7 opponents only Chael Sonnen is ranked in the top 25 in either the middleweight or light heavyweight division. All but two of Wandelei's last 7 are ranked in the top 25 at middleweight or light heavyweight. Mirko is actually ranked in the heavyweight top 25 ( :lol: ) while Keith Jardine actually should barely make the top 25 considering he's only lost to top competition while Luis Cane just got KO'ed by Cyrile Diabante (not in your top 25) within 2 minutes of the first round.

And that's just considering their last 7 because I really want to be fair. If you look at Wanderlei's entire resume (fair considering you looked at Filho's entire resume) you would see names like Guy Metzger, Dan Henderson, Quentin Rampage Jackson 2x, Kazaushi Sakuraba 3x, Hidehiko Yoshida, Richardo Arona. Also interesting to note that Silva also beat 2 guys Filho beat (Yuki Kondo and Minowaman). They both combined to last roughly 4 minutes with Silva whereas both Kondo and Minowaman took Filho to decision.
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Re: Cammo's MMA Rankings 

Post#209 » by Cammo101 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:06 am

skflives wrote:Wanderlei Silva's last 7 opponents ranked worst to best:Keith Jardine, Michael Bisping, Chuck Liddell, Quentin Rampage Jackson,Rich Franklin, Dan Henderson and Mirko Cro Cop. I don't know about you but I don't think anyone should be embarrassed to be 2-5 in their last 7 fights if those where the 7 guys they fought. If Filho's last 7 were against a lineup that stacked how well would he have done.

Hell, according to your own list, amongst Filho's last 7 opponents only Chael Sonnen is ranked in the top 25 in either the middleweight or light heavyweight division. All but two of Wandelei's last 7 are ranked in the top 25 at middleweight or light heavyweight. Mirko is actually ranked in the heavyweight top 25 ( :lol: ) while Keith Jardine actually should barely make the top 25 considering he's only lost to top competition while Luis Cane just got KO'ed by Cyrile Diabante (not in your top 25) within 2 minutes of the first round.

And that's just considering their last 7 because I really want to be fair. If you look at Wanderlei's entire resume (fair considering you looked at Filho's entire resume) you would see names like Guy Metzger, Dan Henderson, Quentin Rampage Jackson 2x, Kazaushi Sakuraba 3x, Hidehiko Yoshida, Richardo Arona. Also interesting to note that Silva also beat 2 guys Filho beat (Yuki Kondo and Minowaman). They both combined to last roughly 4 minutes with Silva whereas both Kondo and Minowaman took Filho to decision.


I understand the idea of quality opponents, but 20-1-1 fighting good fighters has to rate ahead of a guy who is 2-5 in his last 7. The fact that Wandy is where he is despite those loses takes into account the strength of opponent and also what he has done over his career.

Also, while entire resume matters some, what you do lately and more importantly, what you do at Middleweight matters more.

If you let guys coast on what they did 8 years ago, Chuck Liddell would still be a top 5 LHW, because he has only lost to very good fighters and had huge wins. But, that is not the way it works. If Wandy keeps fighting better opponents and actually strings some wins together, then he will rise. But, the fact of the matter is, while he has fought some great guys, most of the guys rated around him would do just as well if not better against those same opponents.
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Post#210 » by skflives » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:32 pm

You can't criticize me for letting guys coast over the last 8 years when you are talking up Filho's entire 10 year career. The fact remains that the last 7 guys Wanderlei fought were at least very good if not amazing. In Filho's last 7 he fought a top middleweight 2x (Chael Sonnen), 2 pretty middleweights (Denis Kang and Melvin Manhoef, a guy with a whopping 6-3-4 record (Tatsuhiko Nishizaka), a guy with a medicore 14-9 record (Alex Schoenauer) and a guy making his debut (Daniel Gabriel). Wins should certainly count but it isn't as if he looked like a world beater in these fights against lesser guys. Wanderlei was at least competitive with most of the guys who faced in his last 7 and almost all of those guys are light years ahead of Filho's comp.
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Re: Cammo's MMA Rankings 

Post#211 » by Cammo101 » Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:31 pm

9/26/10 (Post UFC 119 and Dream 16)


Pound for Pound

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Anderson Silva
3. Jose Aldo
4. Mauricio Rua
5. Jon Fitch
6. Jake Shields
7. Frank Edgar
8. Brock Lesnar
9. Fabricio Werdum
10. Fedor Emelianenko
11. Lyoto Machida
12. Rashad Evans
13. Dominic Cruz
14. Josh Koscheck
15. Gray Maynard
16. Eddie Alvarez
17. Cain Velasquez
18. Thiago Alves
19. Nick Diaz
20. BJ Penn
21. Gilbert Melendez
22. Vitor Belfort
23. Rich Franklin
24. Matt Hughes
25. Junior dos Santos


Heavyweight (265 lbs.)

1. Brock Lesnar
2. Fabricio Werdum
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. Cain Velasquez
5. Junior dos Santos
6. Shane Carwin
7. Alistair Overeem
8. Frank Mir
9. Josh Barnett
10. Antonio "Minotauro" Nogueira
11. Ben Rothwell
12. Tim Sylvia
13. Antonio Silva
14. Gabriel Gonzaga
15. Roy Nelson
16. Brett Rodgers
17. Andrei Arlovski
18. Aleksander Emelianenko
19. Cheick Kongo
20. Pedro Rizzo
21. Mike Russow
22. Mirko Cro Cop
23. Travis Wiuff
24. Brendan Schaub
25. Ricco Rodriguez


Light Heavyweight (205 lbs.)

1. Mauricio Rua
2. Lyoto Machida
3. Rashad Evans
4. Forrest Griffin
5. Quentin Jackson
6. Rich Franklin
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Jon Jones
9. Randy Couture
10. Ryan Bader
11. Thiago Silva
12. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
13. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
14. Matt Hamill
15. Rafael Cavalcante
16. Muhammed Lawal
17. Tito Ortiz
18. Brandon Vera
19. Ricardo Arona
20. Chuck Liddell
21. Phil Davis
22. Stanislav Nedkov
23. Vladimir Matyushenko
24. Jason Brilz
25. Ryan Jimmo


Middleweight (185 lbs.)

1. Anderson Silva
2. Jake Shields
3. Vitor Belfort
4. Chael Sonnen
5. Dan Henderson
6. Nate Marquart
7. Yushin Okami
8. Jorge Santiago
9. Hector Lombard
10. Robbie Lawler
11. Chris Leben
12. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza
13. Yoshihiro Akiyama
14. Paulo Filho
15. Mamed Khalidov
16. Demian Maia
17. Alan Belcher
18. Wanderlei Silva
19. Michael Bisping
20. Alexander Shlemenko
21. Alessio Sakara
22. Thales Leites
23. Tim Kennedy
24. Gerald Harris
25. Riki Fukuda


Welterweight (170 lbs.)

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Josh Koscheck
4. Thiago Alves
5. Nick Diaz
6. Matt Hughes
7. Dan Hardy
8. Carlos Condit
9. Martin Kampmann
10. Jay Hieron
11. Anthony Johnson
12. Paulo Thiago
13. Paul Daley
14. Mike Swick
15. Dong Hyun Kim
16. John Hathaway
17. Diego Sanchez
18. Karo Parisyan
19. Ben Askren
20. Ricardo Almeida
21. Matt Serra
22. Dan Hornbuckle
23. Lyman Good
24. Marius Zaromskis
25. Nate Diaz


Lightweight (155 lbs.)

1. Frank Edgar
2. Gray Maynard
3. Eddie Alvarez
4. BJ Penn
5. Gilbert Melendez
6. Shinya Aoki
7. Kenny Florian
8. George Sotiropoulos
9 Sean Sherk
10. Tatsuya Kawajiri
11. Mizuto Hirota
12. Jim Miller
13. Ben Henderson
14. Evan Dunham
15. JZ Cavalcante
16. Josh Thomson
17. Kazunori Yokota
18. Takanori Gomi
19. Eiji Mitsuoka
20. Katsunori Kikuno
21. Tyson Griffin
22. Lyle Beerbohm
23. Antonio McKee
24. KJ Noons
25. Joe Lauzon


Featherweight (145 lbs.)

1. Jose Aldo
2. Marlon Sandro
3. Manny Gamburyan
4. Bibiano Fernandes
5. Hatsu Hioki
6. Mike Brown
7. Urijah Faber
8. Josh Grispi
9. Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto
10. Mark Hominick
11. Rafael Assuncao
12. Masanori Kanehara
13. Joe Warren
14. Diego Nunes
15. Mitsuhiro Ishida
16. Leonard Garcia
17. Yuji Hoshino
18. Dokonjonosuke Mishima
19. Joachim Hansen
20. Michihiro Omigawa
21. Takeshi Inoue
22. Chad Mendes
23. Joe Soto
24. LC Davis
25. Kazuyuki Miyata


Bantamweight (135 lbs.)

1. Dominic Cruz
2. Brian Bowles
3. Joseph Benavidez
4. Miguel Angel Torres
5. Scott Jorgensen
6. Takeya Mizugaki
7. Wagnney Fabiano
8. Masakatsu Ueda
9. Masakazu Imanari
10. Koetsu Okazaki
11. Atsushi Yamamoto
12. Damacio Page
13. Shuichiro Katsumura
14. Eduardo Dantas
15. Eddie Wineland
16. Rani Yahya
17. Antonio Banuelos
18. Akitoshi Tamura
19. Abel Cullum
20. Charlie Valencia
21. Michael McDonald
22. Brad Pickett
23. Ed West
24. Jimmie Rivera
25. Zach Makovsky


Women (Pound for Pound)

1. Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos
2. Sarah Kaufman
3. Megumi Fujii
4. Miku Matsumoto
5. Mei Yamaguchi
6. Gina Carano
7. Erin Toughill
8. Takayo Hashi
9. Tara LaRosa
10. Yuka Tsuji
11. Yasuko Tamada
12. Marloes Coenen
13. Roxanne Modafferi
14. Miesha Tate
15. Seo Hee Ham
16. Zoila Frausto
17. Hitomi Akano
18. Lisa Ward
19. Rosi Sexton
20. Shayna Baszler
21. Hiroko Yamanaka
22. Rin Nakai
23. Jessica Pene
24. Carina Damm
25. Cindy Dandois


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