Rumour: Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Pg.4 White says not so fast

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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#41 » by spykelee » Tue May 24, 2011 1:34 pm

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It's ho-hum, I agree. But he's the only guy in the sport who can go back-and-forth between strictly stand-up fights (Shields, Kos) and strictly grappling fights (Alves, Hardy...Kos) depending on the best game-plan. He's earned that luxury of grinding-out fights because no one in the sport is as complete as him.


I understand why GSP often fights the way he does. It only makes sense to neutralize what your opponent does well, and take the fight where you have the biggest advantage. Being good in all area's affords you that ability.

Up until GSP's last fight, I never had a problem with him not finishing, and even now, I'm not sure that "problem" would be the right word. I'm a little perplexed. I think he doesn't want to hurt guys, and he doesn't want to get hit... I know who does want to get hit? But the difference, some guys can and will fight through such things, where as GSP just folds up shop and grinds out a decision in that instance. The tipping point for me, after he cracked Shields with that head kick, how in the world do you not jump on that guy? He let's him back up, and throws what 3-4 jabs over the next couple minutes? It was just mind boggiling. I know people will point to his eye, but for me, that was just an excuse, and a poor one at that. I think when GSP first came on the scene, he was a fighter, he liked being in a fight... now, after his stardom, I'm not convinced he's the same guy anymore. Is that bad? I dunno, I can't really hold it against him when he continually beats and dominates top quality talent... I just wish he still had that killer instinct every once in ahwile... but in most cases, I can undestand why he doesn't.
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#42 » by Cammo101 » Tue May 24, 2011 1:59 pm

My problem with GSP is not that he doesn't finish, it is that he could care less to even try to finish. Not every fight needs to be a stoppage, but in situations like the Kos fight when he was asking to be finished and GSP didn't even care to go for the kill, that is what I am not a fan of.

There is nothing wrong with that per se, but as a fan it makes me dislike the guy. I think the Serra fight did this to him. And not that he is scared or anything, but that fight showed him exactly what he had to lose in the event of a freak KO.
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#43 » by Kaizen » Tue May 24, 2011 2:22 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
SDM wrote:I'll take Diaz.


Does anybody really care about anything this guy says about GSP? He picks GSP to lose EVERYTIME.
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#44 » by Gold Chain » Tue May 24, 2011 2:58 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
SDM wrote:I'll take Diaz.


Wow, don't see it.

Nick is fun and has a great demeanor, but he's never, ever faced the likes of Georges.

Fights are just that, and so anything can happen, but Nick will have his hands very full.

Is Diaz taller?
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#45 » by Kaizen » Tue May 24, 2011 3:05 pm

Gold Chain wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:
SDM wrote:I'll take Diaz.


Wow, don't see it.

Nick is fun and has a great demeanor, but he's never, ever faced the likes of Georges.

Fights are just that, and so anything can happen, but Nick will have his hands very full.

Is Diaz taller?


http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nick-Diaz-2831

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Georges-St-Pierre-3500

Diaz is 6'1" and GSP is 5'10".
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#46 » by High 5 » Tue May 24, 2011 4:48 pm

Cammo101 wrote:My problem with GSP is not that he doesn't finish, it is that he could care less to even try to finish.


:lol: :roll:

I'm not going to bother anymore.
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#47 » by Cammo101 » Tue May 24, 2011 5:12 pm

High 5 wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:My problem with GSP is not that he doesn't finish, it is that he could care less to even try to finish.


:lol: :roll:

I'm not going to bother anymore.


I'm sure after he decisions Diaz you will try again.
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#48 » by High 5 » Tue May 24, 2011 6:09 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
High 5 wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:My problem with GSP is not that he doesn't finish, it is that he could care less to even try to finish.


:lol: :roll:

I'm not going to bother anymore.


I'm sure after he decisions Diaz you will try again.


Yes, when he decisions Diaz he will once again prove his non-desire to finish a fight, just like everyone else Diaz has lost to in the last 9 years (cuts, like broken orbital bones, don't count!). And like everyone who has beaten Shields in the last 11 years.

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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#49 » by SDM » Tue May 24, 2011 6:20 pm

Look, GSP is good; he might be the most dominate athlete in the world in any sport, period. However, coasting to victory isn't enough to cement a legacy and it's kind of cheap from a fan's perspective. Then again, no one is finishing the guys GSP is fighting, so is it fair to lean into him for not finishing guys who rarely lose, let alone get finished? Under the current unified rules, GSP has found a way to leverage his natural skill to minimize damage while taking one-sided victories. I'm not going to fault him for that, but he's not ever going to be the GOAT he wants to be unless he stops fighting at 70% for 25 straight minutes. We can't prove that he's fighting at 70% because he keeps winning while keeping himself out of danger and this is most frustrating and why the supporters/detractors of GSP end up name calling. He's basically become the guy at the arcade who would hadoken you nonstop with Ryu or Ken and force you into a corner then uppercut you when you tried to attack. We hated facing that guy, thought he was cheap, but he did beat us, did he not?
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#50 » by Starkiller » Tue May 24, 2011 6:44 pm

SDM wrote:Look, GSP is good; he might be the most dominate athlete in the world in any sport, period. However, coasting to victory isn't enough to cement a legacy and it's kind of cheap from a fan's perspective. Then again, no one is finishing the guys GSP is fighting, so is it fair to lean into him for not finishing guys who rarely lose, let alone get finished? Under the current unified rules, GSP has found a way to leverage his natural skill to minimize damage while taking one-sided victories. I'm not going to fault him for that, but he's not ever going to be the GOAT he wants to be unless he stops fighting at 70% for 25 straight minutes. We can't prove that he's fighting at 70% because he keeps winning while keeping himself out of danger and this is most frustrating and why the supporters/detractors of GSP end up name calling. He's basically become the guy at the arcade who would hadoken you nonstop with Ryu or Ken and force you into a corner then uppercut you when you tried to attack. We hated facing that guy, thought he was cheap, but he did beat us, did he not?


OT: Being a former competitive fighting game player, I saw plenty of kids use that tactic and they got their money taken REAL quick. Made me happy to see move spammers like that or Blanka's electricity or Honda's hand slaps LOL.

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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#51 » by High 5 » Tue May 24, 2011 7:26 pm

SDM wrote:Look, GSP is good; he might be the most dominate athlete in the world in any sport, period. However, coasting to victory isn't enough to cement a legacy and it's kind of cheap from a fan's perspective. Then again, no one is finishing the guys GSP is fighting, so is it fair to lean into him for not finishing guys who rarely lose, let alone get finished? Under the current unified rules, GSP has found a way to leverage his natural skill to minimize damage while taking one-sided victories. I'm not going to fault him for that, but he's not ever going to be the GOAT he wants to be unless he stops fighting at 70% for 25 straight minutes. We can't prove that he's fighting at 70% because he keeps winning while keeping himself out of danger and this is most frustrating and why the supporters/detractors of GSP end up name calling. He's basically become the guy at the arcade who would hadoken you nonstop with Ryu or Ken and force you into a corner then uppercut you when you tried to attack. We hated facing that guy, thought he was cheap, but he did beat us, did he not?


If his 70% is good enough to dominate the best 170 has to offer then I'd say his legacy as GOAT is already cemented.
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#52 » by spykelee » Wed May 25, 2011 2:21 am

SDM wrote:Look, GSP is good; he might be the most dominate athlete in the world in any sport, period. However, coasting to victory isn't enough to cement a legacy and it's kind of cheap from a fan's perspective. Then again, no one is finishing the guys GSP is fighting, so is it fair to lean into him for not finishing guys who rarely lose, let alone get finished? Under the current unified rules, GSP has found a way to leverage his natural skill to minimize damage while taking one-sided victories. I'm not going to fault him for that, but he's not ever going to be the GOAT he wants to be unless he stops fighting at 70% for 25 straight minutes. We can't prove that he's fighting at 70% because he keeps winning while keeping himself out of danger and this is most frustrating and why the supporters/detractors of GSP end up name calling. He's basically become the guy at the arcade who would hadoken you nonstop with Ryu or Ken and force you into a corner then uppercut you when you tried to attack. We hated facing that guy, thought he was cheap, but he did beat us, did he not?


Well Kos and Dan Hardy have both been finishsed on several occasions.

Finishing is somewhat overrated though. I mean, if you look at that Kos fight as an example. Kos was more beat up in that fight, no question, then he would have been if he got K.O.d. Sometimes a guy will sustain alot more damage going 5 rounds then he does in just getting knocked out.

I think GSP is immensly impressive in that he's supremly talented and and well rounded. But despite all his talking about not being happy not finishing guys, I think he's really happy with not finishing guys, because he never wants to take the risk anymore. Can you hold that against the guy when he's still knocking off... dominating top competition? No it isn't really a fair criticism, but that's life. The champs in every other division are all facing tough guys, and they all are able to pull out W's periodically without going to a decision. For him to stand and trade with Jake Shields for 5 rounds, and to crack him with a head kick, and have him standing there wobbily and to not even attempt to put the pressure on was just inexcuseable to me. Up until then, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, but that was perplexing.

It isn't really a fair criticism, but that's just too damn bad. Ever since Serra, this guy is a much safer fighter, and that's just not a style I can appreciate, over and over again, even if I understand why it's that way.
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Re: Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) Update. Pg. 3 

Post#53 » by singh_shady » Thu May 26, 2011 3:54 pm

I'm a GSP fan but it's hard not to be lukewarm on the guy right now after the performance against Shields. For someone who's clearly just concerned about his legacy as the GOAT at this point, I wondering if GSP even has any realization that he has taken a hit amongst the media and fans as of late. Yes, he's getting wins, but he's not creating memories.

One thing though, I hate how GSP is getting more flak for his performance than Shields did, even though Jake was utterly pathetic in the fight.
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Rumour: UFC 140 in Montreal (GSP vs Diaz) DW says not so fas 

Post#54 » by Gold Chain » Fri May 27, 2011 4:15 pm

Aw, well it was fun while it lasted.

Dana White saying this is not even close to being done, but says he gets why fans want the fight.

http://addictedmma.com/story-News_2876_ ... k-Diaz.php

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