UFC 130: Jackson vs. Hamill - May 28th/2011

[High 5]

Quality wins? Have you seen his resume?

Sylvia
Lesnar
Nog
Kongo
Cro Cop
Nelson

How many heavyweights have more quality wins? Less than a handful, surely. People on mma forums act like he's barely top 10 in my experience.

I said he needs to string quality wins together. And I know a win is a win, but he looked horrible against Lesnar and Cro Cop. Lesnar dominated outside of one rookie mistake and Cro Cop is a shell of a shell of his former self. Nog too for that matter.

That said, Mir still has time to make me a believer. He looks to be in his best shape ever.

[CPT]

If you give Mir full credit for the wins against Lesnar (green, horrible reffing, got **** pushed in in rematch), Nog (old and sick), and Cro Cop (just old), then I don't want to hear this "the post accident Mir wasn't the real Mir" stuff. You can't have it both ways. Also, if Kongo is one of your 6 biggest wins, that's not a good thing for your resume.

That being said, his dominance of Nelson really improved his stock in my eyes, and I rate him top 5-10 both currently, and all time.

[singh_shady]

Quality wins? Have you seen his resume?

Sylvia
Lesnar
Nog
Kongo
Cro Cop
Nelson

How many heavyweights have more quality wins? Less than a handful, surely. People on mma forums act like he's barely top 10 in my experience.

Mir is talented no doubt, I think he's top 5 in the UFC, but that list isn't overly impressive. The Sylvia fight was awesome, I'll give him that. He caught noob-Lesnar, still a win on Mir's record but he got beat to a bloody pulp in the rematch. Kongo and Cro-Cop (now) both suck. Nog had staph and wasn't healthy. Nelson had pneumo and wasn't himself.

I'll add that NONE of this is Mir's fault, but it is what it is. Overall I think Mir is appropriately 'rated'.

[REDDzone]

Also, if Kongo is one of your 6 biggest wins, that's not a good thing for your resume.

How many heavyweights out there have someone a similar caliber as Kongo as their 6th biggest win would you say?

[REDDzone]

If you give Mir full credit for the wins against Lesnar (green, horrible reffing, got **** pushed in in rematch), Nog (old and sick), and Cro Cop (just old), then I don't want to hear this "the post accident Mir wasn't the real Mir" stuff. You can't have it both ways. Also, if Kongo is one of your 6 biggest wins, that's not a good thing for your resume.

That being said, his dominance of Nelson really improved his stock in my eyes, and I rate him top 5-10 both currently, and all time.

I just don't like the Lesnar argument. Dude beat Randy and Herring in the same year that he lost to Mir. Did he go from being a green easy win to hw champ that fast?

Nog may have been sick during camp fine, who knows? But he was also on a several fight win streak prior to the Mir fight and was interim champ IIRC, so the "old" thing doesn't do much for me there.

Cro Cop I give you for sure.

[SDM]

Mir's top five for me all-time. He even bridged the gap between the SEC years and Zuffa years in a way, by beating Pete Williams and Tank, finishing both with ridiculous submissions when the sport was still about hitting the other guy harder. Sylvia was undefeated, a golden boy, and he beat him. I love watching him fight. His importance to the sport is understated.

[singh_shady]

Missed cpt and high 5's posts, I was beating a dead horse there. SDM good points

[Cammo101]

Frank Mir is criminally underrated.

Geez, we agree.

It was bound to happen eventually.

[Posey H8er]

Also, if Kongo is one of your 6 biggest wins, that's not a good thing for your resume.

How many heavyweights out there have someone a similar caliber as Kongo as their 6th biggest win would you say?

probably only Fedor, Nogueria, Cro Cop, and maybe Randy (though many notable wins were at lhw). the new breed of great heavyweights haven't been in that many fights... "the best in the world 3 times a year" just doesn't happen Dana. in the UFC i would say JDS has the most impressive resume in terms of quality wins. but the rest of the guys only have one or two wins against top tier guys, or each other.

[REDDzone]

How many heavyweights out there have someone a similar caliber as Kongo as their 6th biggest win would you say?

probably only Fedor, Nogueria, Cro Cop.

Ya. My point wasn't even that Kongo is some juggernaut. Its that Kongo probably isn't even in his top 5 biggest wins, and he's still a UFC caliber heavyweight. Not sure why "Kongo being in your top 6" is such a bad thing.

[SDM]

Mighty Mouse broke his leg in the second round against Torres. BROKE HIS LEG.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/23844/despite ... return.mma

[Posey H8er]

wow that is crazy. but i still think he clearly lost.

[cowboyronnie]

yeah, he said something about his foot after the second.

[Posey H8er]