OT: The Man, the Myth, the LEGEND - FEDOR

[cowboyronnie]

^^ There were a lot of exchanges in that fight, against the K-1 HW GP champ. And Werdum was actually holding his own. He did fine. He's a really good fighter...Overeem is a beast and that was a bad match-up.

[REDDzone]

Meh, I agree that Fedor would probably beat Werdum if they fought again.

My issue is that the term fluke kind of takes away credit from Fabricio, and almost putting Fedor to sleep is impressive enough that I think he deserves all the credit in the world.

If anything the BigFoot fight was the one to question because stopping it was someone else's judgment call, as opposed to Fedor submitting. Silva beat the **** out of Fedor in that 2nd round, but never broke his will imo. In addition, Silva was limping from that leg lock, and dead tired from the 2nd round.

You really never know what would have happened in the 3rd, although you have to acknowledge there is at least some chance that Silva would have murdered Fedor too.

[aveboogie7]

Ryo Chonan subbing Anderson Silva w/a flying scissor heel hook was a fluke. Chonan not a noted submission artist, Silva one of the best of all time and it was a submission with a great degree of difficulty. Clear fluke.

Henderson's knocked plenty of folks silly, him KO'ing Bisping wasn't a big deal, particularly because Bisping kept circling to Henderson's right. No fluke.

Werdum is one of the greatest BJJ players of all time. Going to the ground with him, in essence a test of grappling skills, wasn't smart. He played Werdum's game and lost. No fluke.

[I_Love_NYK]

Fedor does not impress me that much anymore. Him moving down a weight class shows he is on the decline already.

[funkatron101]

LOL at tapping a guy with a triangle being a fluke.

Hendo KOing Bisping was a fluke, imho.

You are kidding right? Bisping was circling right into that punch the whole fight. Henderson has 12 T(KO)s. He almost did the same to Jake Shields. Bisping had a terrible gameplan, but that doesn't make it a fluke.

[REDDzone]

LOL at tapping a guy with a triangle being a fluke.

Hendo KOing Bisping was a fluke, imho.

You are kidding right? Bisping was circling right into that punch the whole fight. Henderson has 12 T(KO)s. He almost did the same to Jake Shields. Bisping had a terrible gameplan, but that doesn't make it a fluke.

Dude of course I'm kidding. I was trying to prove a point.

Bisping was circling into Hendo's power all night long, he didn't get caught, he got knocked out.

Fedor was practically taking Werdum's legs and encircling them around his neck. He followed Werdum into his guard, got caught in a triangle, shook it off, got caught in another immediately. He was "jumping into the triangle the whole fight." He didn't get caught, he got tapped.

[funkatron101]

lol, good.

Fedor got over-confident. He assumed he could power out of anything that Werdum would attempt, or at the very least wait it out. Which is what he has done in the past. I've said it before, Fedor is a gutsy fighter, not necessarily a smart fighter.

I would say that Fedor prides himself in getting into sticky situations only to will himself out of it. The Mark Hunt fight is one good example. It was only a matter of time before someone capitalized on it.

It certainly was not a fluke. It was the perfect recipe for Fedor to lose. Had Fedor not been so cocky to fight Werdum's fight, I think Fedor would have won via decision.

[REDDzone]

I pretty much agree with everything you say, I honestly think Fedor could have knocked him out if he had a decent gameplan. I think Werdum was rocked immediately. Some people argue the cage did Fedor in, as he looked to be shrugging off the second triangle until he ran into the cage from behind.

My overall point is that I don't believe any FINISH in a fight is a fluke win (yes, this includes Chonan vs Silva, he was holding his own the entire fight). Garcia beating anyone, ever, by a Cecil People's decision is when I look at a record and say that was a fluke win.

[j4remi]

I pretty much agree with everything you say, I honestly think Fedor could have knocked him out if he had a decent gameplan. I think Werdum was rocked immediately. Some people argue the cage did Fedor in, as he looked to be shrugging off the second triangle until he ran into the cage from behind.

My overall point is that I don't believe any FINISH in a fight is a fluke win (yes, this includes Chonan vs Silva, he was holding his own the entire fight). Garcia beating anyone, ever, by a Cecil People's decision is when I look at a record and say that was a fluke win.

I never heard the Fedor done in by the cage theory, but I do find it incredible how many fighters struggle to transition from ring to cage.

I believe in fluke finishes though Scott Smith v Drago with the cracked rib and a prayer swing for instance or Gray Maynard vs I forget who with the no decision where he slammed the dude and KO'ed himself in the process...that was some flukey stuff.

[skflives]

I think people here are knitpicking on the term fluke. It was not a fluke that Werdum won the fight by submission. What is a fluke is that Werdum won. I think its fairly clear based upon Werdum's history and subsiquent fight that he is extremely unlikely to beat Fedor if they fought again. Its a fluke in the way that 99 times out of a hundred the guy who won the fight wouldn''t win the fight. That is what the Werdum fight means to me when I call it a fluke.

[funkatron101]

I think people here are knitpicking on the term fluke. It was not a fluke that Werdum won the fight by submission. What is a fluke is that Werdum won. I think its fairly clear based upon Werdum's history and subsiquent fight that he is extremely unlikely to beat Fedor if they fought again. Its a fluke in the way that 99 times out of a hundred the guy who won the fight wouldn''t win the fight. That is what the Werdum fight means to me when I call it a fluke.

Only because Fedor wouldn't (or shouldn't) make the same mistake.

I picked Fedor to win, not taking into account how he routinely fights his opponents as I mentioned before. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think If they somehow simulated the Werdum/Fedor fight 100 times, Werdum would have a good chance at taking a good portion of them. Simply because Fedor would likely make the same mistake in being over-confident when Werdum tries to bait him.

[REDDzone]

Yea, Fedor jumped right into Bigfoot's guard and almost got leg locked pretty quick into their fight too. He needs to compensate for his deterioration physically with a smarter mental game, unfortunately he isn't adjusting it seems.

[skflives]

I don't think the problem is that he isn't fighting smart. The issue is that he doesn't care. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, Fedor seems to possess the mentality that he doesn't care if you want to sit in the attic (standup) or in the basement (grappling) its all his mothertrucking house. And for the most part it has all been his mothertrucking house. If they fight again I guarentee you Fedor won't be afraid to go in Werdum's guard like Overeem was but this time the second he feels the slightest threat from Werdum he's going to take steps to neutralize that threat and improve his position. In a rematch I see Fedor/Big Nog 1 all over again but with a weaker chinned Nog.