UFC on Versus 5 Hardy vs Lytle Aug 14

[Headliner]

Wow, i hadn't heard that news on Shawn Tompkins... that's f'n nuts. RIP

37 years old.
They didn't release any information at all. Typically they'll say something, like heart failure or something unless their might be the appearance of foul play, or suicide. Hopefully it was neither of those though.

[REDDzone]

Wec>ufc...told ya

[three6mofia]

I wanna see bendo vs guillard for #1 contendership..Guida is nice but not atheletic enough 2 keep up with those to imho. I think Guillard has the most explosive standup in the sport and id love to see him trade with the likes of a bendo/edgar/pettis...

[CPT]

**** great show. Big night for the WEC too. Good thing this didn't count for the picks pool though, because I don't think I would have done very well.

Hardy vs. Lytle was a goddamn war. I know people here are saying Hardy sucks, and calling for his release, and honestly, I can't really argue otherwise, but the guy has personality and can have some pretty damn good fights with the right opponent. He hurt Lytle a few times in the fight, may have even won the 2nd if it went to decision, and then made a mistake that cost him the fight, even though he was going to lose anyway. I think there are still fights for him at the Facebook/Spike TV prelim level (Nate Diaz and Sadollah would both make good Spike TV prelim opponents). They clearly like him in the UFC, so whether they cut him and bring him back after a few fights in England, or just keep him around, it doesn't make much difference to me. On the other side, we had Lytle ending his career on a high note, with a great fight, a big win, and two bonuses. Classy guy and great to watch; wish him the best in his family life.

Bendo vs. Miller was great as well. I have to say, I really underestimated Henderson going into this one, and I've probably sold him short in the past as well. Hell, I may have actually been the one who said he wouldn't be as good as Guida in the UFC, though I don't think I would have used really negative language about him, since he's a guy I really like. Even his love of the Jesus is so over the top it is entertaining, and as a black Korean, it's hard to hold it against him. As for the fight, I probably would have given Miller the first round for sub attempts, but Henderson took the last two rounds handily, including a 10-8 (IMO) 3rd, leaving no question of who the winner was. I really didn't think he would be able to outwrestle Miller the way he did. He's a dangerous dude, and I think he'd be capable of a good fight with just about anyone. Up next, I think we should settle this Henderson-Guida thing. I don't think Guida has a fight scheduled, and this is a fight that could be a #1 contender fight at this point. I think Guillard should get the next shot if he wins his next fight, but that's only really because of timing. The winner of Bendo/Guida would get the following shot. As for Miller, I think he takes a huge step down after this fight, and will probably need another big win streak to get in title contention again. On a side note, I'd love to see people in Korea get behind Ben Henderson the way they have with some of the other Korean fighters, and possibly have him in a big spot in an event over here.

Cerrone was very impressive taking out Oliveira. Lots of good fights out there for Cowboy. I'd still like to see the fight with Cole Miller, and with them both fighting on the same card, it would line up nicely, though the heat between them seems to have died down. If not Miller, I'm sure he'll have a good fight with whoever they line him up with. Oliveira goes back to square one, which is probably the best thing for a 21 year old.

Sadollah vs. Ludwig was a pretty good fight too. Wish I'd had the balls to take a flier on Ludwig with the sportsbook, as I pointed out the odds were pretty long for him if it figured to be a standup fight. I just overestimated Sadollah's ability (and perhaps desire) to win the fight in whatever fashion he had to. Ludwig's seemingly improved takedown defense notwithstanding, I still think Sadollah could have controlled him en route to a decision if he started from the jump. Sadollah will stick around to fight again, though it might be hard to find an opponent significantly easier than Ludwig. As for Bang, he probably gets another guy that figures to stand with him. Would be a good comeback fight for Mike Swick if he ever gets healthy.

RIP to Shawn Tompkins as well. Very sad news. Sounds like he went to sleep and just didn't wake up, which is hard to believe as a 37 year old in good physical condition. Whatever the case may be, best wishes to his family and those close to him.

[CPT]

Another thing RE: Hardy and whether or not he should (or will) be cut.

I know 3 losses in a row is usually the standard, so certainly 4 is grounds for dismissal, BUT, has anyone ever been cut following a Fight of the Night bonus?

Can't remember any off the top of my head.

[SDM]

I think there was one fighter cut recently after winning a bonus, can't remember who.

[damo[23]]

What a fantastic card.

I actually felt myself welling up a bit on Lights Out leaving, that dude is just pure class, loved him since TUF4 (the actual show, he was a the man on there) and so glad his career just rocketed after that. Pleases me even more that he goes out with a submission, such a underrated and over looked part of his game. I hope the UFC still keeps him around to do some guest appearances and what not.

Bendo looked awesome, that was a real tough fight and I really thought Miller would win that going in, coming out they looked like different leagues. What was odd was I was thinking about how Ben must have been the only guy to be slightly riled when WEC went to UFC as he lost his belt, but he's certainly looking every bit the contender right now.

My boy Amir losing though, shame, but Ludwig did look tight.

Just all around a good, exciting card I thought.

[Shaazzam]

Cerrone looks like he's got the killer in him, and I'd love to see him smash Guida in the face. I dig Oilviera, but he needs to get stronger if he's going to contend at 155. And Bendo is sick, Miller took a couple chances and got smashed for it.

We need for Edgar v. Maynard to happen soon, so we can start sorting some things out in the this division. There might be a bit of a revolving belt situation like how 205 has been.

[Headliner]

Bendo was awesome.
Props to Miller as well. He took an ass beating and still got up and tried to kill him with 10 seconds left haha. A lot of guys would have tucked their tails and hid.

Great night for fights though. I love these free cards, they always produce good shows.

[Headliner]

Lytle got Sub of the night and fight of the night.
A cool 130k to retire with (guess he got a Harley as well).

I am really sad to see him go though. I love that he went out with a win and two bonuses, it's a nice legacy for the king of the mid card. He was one of those guys you'd always like to see filling out a card, because you knew you were getting at least one exciting fight.

[Nemesis21]

Pretty good card, some face book fights were good too.

Very sad to hear about Shawn Tompkins. R.I.P.

I predicted Cerrone with TKO win, and that is exactly what happened.

I knew Bendo/J Miller was going to be a good fight, just did not see Bendo dominating the way he did. I think he and Guida should fight next, winner of that gets winner of Frankie/Gray 3.

So glad for Lytle to go out on a win, and a sub win on top of that. Guess it's off to StrikeForce or Bellator for Hardy.

[kdawg32086]

Anyone else think Guida is afraid of Bendo after the post-event interview he had? Seems like Guida was really downplaying the idea.

[High 5]

Cerrone and Henderson (along with Guillard) are my top draws at 155. I really hope they can compete with Edgar and Maynard.

[singh_shady]

I think there was one fighter cut recently after winning a bonus, can't remember who.

It just happened, Einemo from GG was cut after winning a bonus.

Henderson looked amazing, what a motor that guy has. I'm excited for a match up with Guillard or the winner of Edgar/Maynard.

I say keep Hardy for another fight. For either prelim or Versus fights, he's an interesting dude. I always find myself looking forward to a Dan Hardy fight. That said, after 4 straight losses a cut would definitely be justifiable.

[three6mofia]

Cerrone and Henderson (along with Guillard) are my top draws at 155. I really hope they can compete with Edgar and Maynard.

Exactly... I would currently rank the division right now
1.Edgar: Slowly becoming a technical master in all aspects, i love how he looked rds 2-4 against Maynard
2.Guillard: Explosive combination of power and speed, only question is can he put it together mentally?
3.Maynard: Best wrestler in the division imo but i dont think his stand up is strong enough. He seems to blow his wad at certain moments of fights and it really leaves him vulnerable imo
4.Henderson: really showed me something against Miller, Great tdd, Great sub dfense, Good striking and never noticed how much strength he has to go along with that speed til he whooped on Jim Miller.
5.Guida: Even though the anthony pettis fight made me sick i cant deny this guy is a mastermind at scoring points and getting decision victories. Greg Jackson has really done a great job taking his strengths and giving him a great gameplan every time. I just thnk a fighter with good tdd(anyone on the above list) will crush him.
Hm/ Jim Miller: o how the mighty have fallen...Bendo may have made him look like boy but the guy has still been wreaking havoc in the division 4 the past 2 years.
Cowboy: had a great showing on the versus card and i would love 2 see him against pettis.

IMO the guy with the best chance of dethroning edgar is Guillard and i only see him wining if he can keep his head straight and really continue working on his sub and td defenses. Guillard is imo has the deadliest combination of power and speed i have ever seen from a fighter in the lw division. Every second a fighter stands with this guy there is a chance of a ko weather it b punch,kick or knee. iwould love to see bendo vs guillard for #1 contendership.

[cowboyronnie]

Not gonna read the thread til done the prelims but:

-WEC for **** ever
-LOL, how poetic and great that Hardy gets caught because he tried to point-fight with a takedown (wtf?). Serves him right.

Also, he said after that GSP fight that he would never tap. I'm not being snide. The guy's incredibly. That's just something really hard to promise. The pressure on your neck from a mounted guillotine...you can't just 'go out' to that.

[cowboyronnie]

Wow, Ed Herman! May have gotten robbed of SOTN. Since when is he a sub fighter from the guard?

[j4remi]

Cerrone and Henderson (along with Guillard) are my top draws at 155. I really hope they can compete with Edgar and Maynard.

Exactly... I would currently rank the division right now
1.Edgar: Slowly becoming a technical master in all aspects, i love how he looked rds 2-4 against Maynard
2.Guillard: Explosive combination of power and speed, only question is can he put it together mentally?
3.Maynard: Best wrestler in the division imo but i dont think his stand up is strong enough. He seems to blow his wad at certain moments of fights and it really leaves him vulnerable imo
4.Henderson: really showed me something against Miller, Great tdd, Great sub dfense, Good striking and never noticed how much strength he has to go along with that speed til he whooped on Jim Miller.
5.Guida: Even though the anthony pettis fight made me sick i cant deny this guy is a mastermind at scoring points and getting decision victories. Greg Jackson has really done a great job taking his strengths and giving him a great gameplan every time. I just thnk a fighter with good tdd(anyone on the above list) will crush him.
Hm/ Jim Miller: o how the mighty have fallen...Bendo may have made him look like boy but the guy has still been wreaking havoc in the division 4 the past 2 years.
Cowboy: had a great showing on the versus card and i would love 2 see him against pettis.

IMO the guy with the best chance of dethroning edgar is Guillard and i only see him wining if he can keep his head straight and really continue working on his sub and td defenses. Guillard is imo has the deadliest combination of power and speed i have ever seen from a fighter in the lw division. Every second a fighter stands with this guy there is a chance of a ko weather it b punch,kick or knee. iwould love to see bendo vs guillard for #1 contendership.

I agree that Guillard has the scariest athleticism in the division for sure. I'd love for Guillard to get Bendo or Pettis for an amazing fight. I think that Gray is a huge threat to Franky though, the first round when he was fresh...he hurt Franky and nearly stopped it. He gassed himself out foolishly and still survived 4 rounds with enough to steal a round and get the draw. I think he's a serious threat with his combination of size, power and wrestling. That rematch has to happen so they can start lining up contenders in matches.