UFC on FOX 14 Gus vs Rumble 1/24....

NZB2323 · Post #141 » by **NZB2323** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:04 pm

REDDzone wrote:Regarding the lhw division...Phil Davis. I feel like this dude isn't any better at all than his first fight in the ufc lol. Did he peak with the Gus or Boetsch win?

edit: I can't remember if it was Boetch or Matyushenko. Whichever Burly old dude he schoolyard kimura'd.

As controversial as his fight with Machida was, it showed that he's improved...even though he isn't good enough to beat Ryan Bader, lol.

NZB2323 · Post #142 » by **NZB2323** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:17 pm

Jasen777 wrote:Of course the real question is who does Dan Henderson get next. (Nobody or C.M. Punk would be my vote).

Am I the only one who would be really excited about Hendo vs. CM Punk? We wouldn't have to see an experienced fighter destroy Hendo, and we wouldn't have to see a young, athletic guy destroy CM Punk. Both guys are popular and it would create a real discussion of how well a washed up fighter would do against a young person with little to no skills. After the fight I'll be able to know if I could beat Chuck Liddell if we fought a year from now. It's weird that wrecking balls, rhinos, and fighter jets can't knock him out when so many UFC fighters were able to. Maybe Hendo will be able to have a chin resurgence, just like Chuck.

REDDzone · Post #143 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:26 pm

NZB2323 wrote:Am I the only one who would be really excited about Hendo vs. CM Punk? We wouldn't have to see an experienced fighter destroy Hendo, and we wouldn't have to see a young, athletic guy destroy CM Punk. Both guys are popular and it would create a real discussion of how well a washed up fighter would do against a young person with little to no skills. After the fight I'll be able to know if I could beat Chuck Liddell if we fought a year from now. It's weird that wrecking balls, rhinos, and fighter jets can't knock him out when so many UFC fighters were able to. Maybe Hendo will be able to have a chin resurgence, just like Chuck.

IDK how much of this is just tongue in cheek but the Brazilian athletic commission probably wouldn't even sanction that fight. Like, its not close.

Post #144 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:51 pm

NZB2323 wrote:
Jasen777 wrote:Of course the real question is who does Dan Henderson get next. (Nobody or C.M. Punk would be my vote).

Am I the only one who would be really excited about Hendo vs. CM Punk? We wouldn't have to see an experienced fighter destroy Hendo, and we wouldn't have to see a young, athletic guy destroy CM Punk. Both guys are popular and it would create a real discussion of how well a washed up fighter would do against a young person with little to no skills. After the fight I'll be able to know if I could beat Chuck Liddell if we fought a year from now. It's weird that wrecking balls, rhinos, and fighter jets can't knock him out when so many UFC fighters were able to. Maybe Hendo will be able to have a chin resurgence, just like Chuck.

Hendo would completely demolish C.M Punk. He isn't your standard old dude and as washed up as he is against the top echelon of the division, he's a guy with a lot of power in his hands and is experienced enough to beat C.M Punk even without landing a KO. I honestly don't think it would be competitive.

Post #145 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:03 am

REDDzone wrote:Yea I don't want to give the impression that I'm swinging too far the other way either. I said going into this fight that, given 50/50 odds, I favored Gustafsson. I also think he is probably top 5 in the division. I just thought he was rated/seen a little too high based on his resume itself. His best win is Shogun (who has lost 3 of 4 since). The skills are there, although I still think he leaves himself open for counters too much for such a high weight class.

Yep. Gus' tendency to leave himself open at times for counters really isn't any worse than anyone else's in the division, it certainly isn't so bad that it keep him from ever holding the LHW title. He got sloppy against Rumble and he got countered by the most powerful puncher outside of the HW division and was finished. I still think he's more skilled than the majority of the division and has the athleticism to keep him a legit contender going forward.

Post #146 » by **CPT** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:41 am

NZB2323 wrote:
Jasen777 wrote:Of course the real question is who does Dan Henderson get next. (Nobody or C.M. Punk would be my vote).

Am I the only one who would be really excited about Hendo vs. CM Punk? We wouldn't have to see an experienced fighter destroy Hendo, and we wouldn't have to see a young, athletic guy destroy CM Punk. Both guys are popular and it would create a real discussion of how well a washed up fighter would do against a young person with little to no skills. After the fight I'll be able to know if I could beat Chuck Liddell if we fought a year from now. It's weird that wrecking balls, rhinos, and fighter jets can't knock him out when so many UFC fighters were able to. Maybe Hendo will be able to have a chin resurgence, just like Chuck.

Not sure if serious.

Hendo is washed up, but he still has a chance to beat the Boestch, Leites, Dollaway, Munoz, Marquardt, Carmont, Tavares, etc. tier, and anyone below it.

Those guys would be like -2000 over CM Punk if they could even get it sanctioned.

NZB2323 · Post #147 » by **NZB2323** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:16 am

I was half joking.

I feel like if they won't let Hendo fight with TRT they shouldn't let him fight. He turns 45 this summer, and has been fighting for the past 17 years.

I want him to fight CM Punk so he doesn't take more shots to the head.

Post #148 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:27 am

I feel like Gus is very much a point fighter. He'll trade 2-3 jabs or straights that might cut and bruise, but not do serious damage, and he's willing to eat a bomb in that exchange. It's hard to win fights when you're point fighting and also letting yourself get crowned.

REDDzone · Post #149 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:39 pm

NZB2323 wrote:I was half joking.

I feel like if they won't let Hendo fight with TRT they shouldn't let him fight. He turns 45 this summer, and has been fighting for the past 17 years.

I want him to fight CM Punk so he doesn't take more shots to the head.

CM Punk would probably take more damage in that fight than Hendo has over the course of the last 17 years.

cowboyronnie · Post #150 » by **cowboyronnie** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:39 pm

Lhw may not be deep but the next year and a half should be awesome. Should it be Gus vs DC, that itself is crazy intense. Two guys left in tears w in last month.

Cammo101 · Post #151 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:24 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:Lhw may not be deep but the next year and a half should be awesome. Should it be Gus vs DC, that itself is crazy intense. Two guys left in tears w in last month.

I'd be pretty surprised if they did Gus vs. DC. Having either of those guys lose 2 in a row isn't good for business. I'd do something like Gus vs. Bader and DC vs. Phil Davis.

REDDzone · Post #152 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:51 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
cowboyronnie wrote:Lhw may not be deep but the next year and a half should be awesome. Should it be Gus vs DC, that itself is crazy intense. Two guys left in tears w in last month.

I'd be pretty surprised if they did Gus vs. DC. Having either of those guys lose 2 in a row isn't good for business. I'd do something like Gus vs. Bader and DC vs. Phil Davis.

See I actually disagree, I want to see these guys fight relevant fighters in the division. As far as I am concerned, neither guy has ever beaten a top 5 guy at LHW and hell I don't even truly think either has a top 10 win to be honest. Let's have the next challenger for the LHW strap have as much credibility in the division as the current number one contender has imo.

Cammo101 · Post #153 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:18 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:
cowboyronnie wrote:Lhw may not be deep but the next year and a half should be awesome. Should it be Gus vs DC, that itself is crazy intense. Two guys left in tears w in last month.

I'd be pretty surprised if they did Gus vs. DC. Having either of those guys lose 2 in a row isn't good for business. I'd do something like Gus vs. Bader and DC vs. Phil Davis.

See I actually disagree, I want to see these guys fight relevant fighters in the division. As far as I am concerned, neither guy has ever beaten a top 5 guy at LHW and hell I don't even truly think either has a top 10 win to be honest. Let's have the next challenger for the LHW strap have as much credibility in the division as the current number one contender has imo.

I don't disagree with you, I just don't see it happening. Davis and Bader are easily top 10 guys, so giving both bounceback fights they can win and then potentially making DC vs. Gus may make more sense in terms of not killing contenders and making DC vs. Gus a much bigger fight with both coming off of wins.

REDDzone · Post #154 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:56 pm

The thing is, the loser of that fight doesn't lose a ton and with how bad LHW is, would be a win or two away still, especially with the history that each have with Jones.

Regardless, I'm fine with Gus fighting whoever. But for Cormier's sake, I want to see him challenged. The guy is mid 30s and imo one of the best fighters we have seen in the cage EVER. I want to see him challenged, no more broken down fighters like Mir or Hendo, no more randoms like Cummins. Put him against top fighters, no disrespect to Phil Davis.

Cammo101 · Post #155 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:01 pm

REDDzone wrote:The thing is, the loser of that fight doesn't lose a ton and with how bad LHW is, would be a win or two away still, especially with the history that each have with Jones.

Regardless, I'm fine with Gus fighting whoever. But for Cormier's sake, I want to see him challenged. The guy is mid 30s and imo one of the best fighters we have seen in the cage EVER. I want to see him challenged, no more broken down fighters like Mir or Hendo, no more randoms like Cummins. Put him against top fighters, no disrespect to Phil Davis.

If Phil Davis isn't a top fighter, there aren't many fights for him. Even with that loss, Davis is a top 6 or 7 LHW. Rashad would be a fun fight for DC as well, but Rashad seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth.

REDDzone · Post #156 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:33 pm

Ugh that division is just so bad. If DC isn't going to fight Gus, I would hope he'd at least get Bader. IDK I just don't think much of Davis, especially stylistically vs Cormier. At the very least I'd rather see DC fight Bader than Davis, personally. At least Bader has some power.

Cammo101 · Post #157 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:01 pm

REDDzone wrote:Ugh that division is just so bad. If DC isn't going to fight Gus, I would hope he'd at least get Bader. IDK I just don't think much of Davis, especially stylistically vs Cormier. At the very least I'd rather see DC fight Bader than Davis, personally. At least Bader has some power.

That would leave Gus vs. Davis, which is both a rematch and also they are teammates. You could maybe do DC vs. Bader and Gus vs. Rashad. Something like that. Also, OSP is floating around out there as well looking for an opponent.

Really shallow at the top of 205, and a lot of those guys have already fought each other.

REDDzone · Post #158 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:04 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
REDDzone wrote:Ugh that division is just so bad. If DC isn't going to fight Gus, I would hope he'd at least get Bader. IDK I just don't think much of Davis, especially stylistically vs Cormier. At the very least I'd rather see DC fight Bader than Davis, personally. At least Bader has some power.

That would leave Gus vs. Davis, which is both a rematch and also they are teammates. You could maybe do DC vs. Bader and Gus vs. Rashad. Something like that. Also, OSP is floating around out there as well looking for an opponent.

Really shallow at the top of 205, and a lot of those guys have already fought each other.

So are Gus and Phil really still teammates or did they just used to be? I know Gus used to train with Alliance but I think he holds his camps in Sweden now. DC also came out recently and said that Gus asked to train with AKA but DC vetoed it because he knows he might have to fight Gus. I don't think they are as much teammates as people think they are tbh.

NZB2323 · Post #159 » by **NZB2323** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:26 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
cowboyronnie wrote:Lhw may not be deep but the next year and a half should be awesome. Should it be Gus vs DC, that itself is crazy intense. Two guys left in tears w in last month.

I'd be pretty surprised if they did Gus vs. DC. Having either of those guys lose 2 in a row isn't good for business. I'd do something like Gus vs. Bader and DC vs. Phil Davis.

If those fights headline a PPV, I'm not watching. If Gus vs. DC headlines a PPV, I'm watching. I hate showcase fights where they have a good fighter beat a bad fighter and then hype up the good fighter like he's great. It's a waste of everyone's time. I'd be much more interested in a Gus or DC rematch with Jones if one of them beats the other one rather than if they earn it by going through Bader and Davis.

Think about how excited people are for Rumble vs. Jones. Would people be as excited if he beat Bader instead of Gus?

Cammo101 · Post #160 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:09 pm

NZB2323 wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:
cowboyronnie wrote:Lhw may not be deep but the next year and a half should be awesome. Should it be Gus vs DC, that itself is crazy intense. Two guys left in tears w in last month.

I'd be pretty surprised if they did Gus vs. DC. Having either of those guys lose 2 in a row isn't good for business. I'd do something like Gus vs. Bader and DC vs. Phil Davis.

If those fights headline a PPV, I'm not watching. If Gus vs. DC headlines a PPV, I'm watching. I hate showcase fights where they have a good fighter beat a bad fighter and then hype up the good fighter like he's great. It's a waste of everyone's time. I'd be much more interested in a Gus or DC rematch with Jones if one of them beats the other one rather than if they earn it by going through Bader and Davis.

Think about how excited people are for Rumble vs. Jones. Would people be as excited if he beat Bader instead of Gus?

None of those fights are going to headline a PPV. Not even Gus vs. DC with both coming off a loss. Gus vs. DC with both coming off wins in the fights I mentioned, that's a #1 contender fight you could build a PPV around IMO.