UFC 183 (1/31): Nick Diaz vs. Anderson Silva

Post #221 » by **Headliner** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 12:50 am

I dont train so maybe I have no clue, but Belfort has been fighting for like 20 years. Shouldn't he be prepared to fight a wrestler or a striker?
I know every fighter has their own style, but to say I only trained for a wrestler, seems silly.

Mehar · Post #222 » by **Mehar** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 1:29 am

Headliner wrote:I dont train so maybe I have no clue, but Belfort has been fighting for like 20 years. Shouldn't he be prepared to fight a wrestler or a striker?
I know every fighter has their own style, but to say I only trained for a wrestler, seems silly.

I absolutely agree. I do not like the games Vitor is playing. You have almost a month of preparation for your opponent. I think since he knows he is guaranteed a title shot- he is probably wanting not to face a dangerous guy like Machida, and lose his shot at the title.

This is the tweet i read today from Greg Savage from Sherdog as it pertained to Vitor wanting Munoz (a guy coming off two losses).

https://twitter.com/TheSavageTruth/stat ... 8830059520

REDDzone · Post #223 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 1:41 am

Headliner wrote:I dont train so maybe I have no clue, but Belfort has been fighting for like 20 years. Shouldn't he be prepared to fight a wrestler or a striker?
I know every fighter has their own style, but to say I only trained for a wrestler, seems silly.

The irritating part is that they had the news a month out. Its not like he's changing the day of the fight. It is what it is I guess. But as mehar mentioned, this is the second time he has turned down the Machida fight so that's not coincidence.

cowboyronnie · Post #224 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 2:14 am

Vitor, not so courageous these days...

REDDzone · Post #225 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 2:16 am

cowboyronnie wrote:Vitor, not so courageous these days...

Well especially if he refuses to fight Rockhold, right? It was only 1.5 years ago that he kicked his head off his shoulers. Unless something has changed?

cowboyronnie · Post #226 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 2:25 am

Setting the cosmos for justice if Rockhold gets the comeback fight against TRTless Vitor.

Why would Vitor take a fight vs Rockhold, though, if he's playing hardball? A loss makes him look like suuuuuch an ****. You'd think he'd rather face Machida than try to reproduce results from his TRT days.

Post #227 » by **CPT** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:58 am

I'm wondering why Machida was even the go-to guy for an interim title. I mean if he wins, then we have Weidman vs. Machida II? Already? There are like 3-4 guys I want to see fight Weidman before we start getting into rematches. He's got wins over Silva and Machida, which is obviously great, but he really hasn't fought anyone else who is currently relevant at MW. I want to see those fights.

Bernman · Post #228 » by **Bernman** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:04 am

Probably because Machida doesn't cut much weight and he beat Mousasi easily. Jacare is big and out. Rockhold is big. Romero might be big again and CBR alluded to him possibly being on roids. So that would leave us with the Dragon.

Post #229 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:12 am

Bernman wrote:Probably because Machida doesn't cut much weight and he beat Mousasi easily. Jacare is big and out. Rockhold is big. Romero might be big again and CBR alluded to him possibly being on roids. So that would leave us with the Dragon.

Also name value

REDDzone · Post #230 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:19 am

CPT wrote:I'm wondering why Machida was even the go-to guy for an interim title. I mean if he wins, then we have Weidman vs. Machida II? Already? There are like 3-4 guys I want to see fight Weidman before we start getting into rematches. He's got wins over Silva and Machida, which is obviously great, but he really hasn't fought anyone else who is currently relevant at MW. I want to see those fights.

Bern makes a good point but also you have to wonder if the brass is worried about Weidman in general. How many fights has he pulled out of now? I think it was Rogan who was saying that even during the Machida fight, his leg was so messed up that he couldn't bring his heel to his butt. If they think Weidman is going to be out for awhile, or that they have some kind of Dom Cruz/ Cain Velasquez situation, I have to imagine they would want a guy who is proven to be able to draw and headline like Machida as interim champ as opposed to someone that few people know like Romero.

Plus, again, they raised the prices for this ppv and the card as it stands is one of the worst ppvs ever (if not THE worst). Sure the hardcores may want to see some of these newfound middleweight contenders in there vs Vitor but my guess is that zuffa is more comfortable putting a proven draw like Machida in there at co-main. I'm guess Machida/Belfort sells better than many of the alternatives.

IDK, just thinking out loud.

Bernman · Post #231 » by **Bernman** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:38 am

That could be a bonus, but I don't know if they even had a choice in the matter. It would help if we knew Romero's situation. Someone should interview him to ask if he wants/wanted the fight. If so, then I'd buy RZ's angle as being the primary one.

Incidentally though, I haven't been able to bring my heel to my butt with either leg since I was 19. And at various points since I'd have been fine to fight, although nowhere my physical prime from chronic knee sublaxations. Just saying not being able to bring your heel to your butt ain't that crazy.

Jasen777 · Post #232 » by **Jasen777** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 5:38 am

Belfort is saying he said he would fight anyone for the real title not an interim, upset about the fight being delayed 3 times.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/1/795 ... fight-with" target="_blank

Post #233 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 5:41 am

Vitor gonna Vitor

REDDzone · Post #234 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:31 pm

Bernman wrote:Incidentally though, I haven't been able to bring my heel to my butt with either leg since I was 19. And at various points since I'd have been fine to fight, although nowhere my physical prime from chronic knee sublaxations. Just saying not being able to bring your heel to your butt ain't that crazy.

Well the heel to butt thing was obviously a symptom and not the issue. IDK enough about his injury to know the details but Rogan seemed to be pretty impressed that he was able to tough it out. Plus, beating Machida healthy is already an awesome accomplishment, much less if you are limited by some leg injury.

NZB2323 · Post #235 » by **NZB2323** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:56 pm

I tore my ACL and both MCLs on May 22nd and it took me forever to get my heel to touch my butt. I was so excited when I could do it, lol. And I agree with Redd, beating Machida with any kind of injury is super impressive. I wonder if that injury contributed towards Machida doing so well in the 4th round. That's the best anyone has ever looked against Weidman.

Bernman · Post #236 » by **Bernman** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:40 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Bernman wrote:Incidentally though, I haven't been able to bring my heel to my butt with either leg since I was 19. And at various points since I'd have been fine to fight, although nowhere my physical prime from chronic knee sublaxations. Just saying not being able to bring your heel to your butt ain't that crazy.

Well the heel to butt thing was obviously a symptom and not the issue. IDK enough about his injury to know the details but Rogan seemed to be pretty impressed that he was able to tough it out. Plus, beating Machida healthy is already an awesome accomplishment, much less if you are limited by some leg injury.

But accomplishing it with a supposed significant knee injury makes it all that much more impressive, and Rogan is paid to hype fights/fighters.

REDDzone · Post #237 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 7:15 pm

Bernman wrote:
REDDzone wrote:
Bernman wrote:Incidentally though, I haven't been able to bring my heel to my butt with either leg since I was 19. And at various points since I'd have been fine to fight, although nowhere my physical prime from chronic knee sublaxations. Just saying not being able to bring your heel to your butt ain't that crazy.

Well the heel to butt thing was obviously a symptom and not the issue. IDK enough about his injury to know the details but Rogan seemed to be pretty impressed that he was able to tough it out. Plus, beating Machida healthy is already an awesome accomplishment, much less if you are limited by some leg injury.

But accomplishing it with a supposed significant knee injury makes it all that much more impressive, and Rogan is paid to hype fights/fighters.

Yea, he didn't say it on a ufc broadcast though. It was kind of as an aside in one of his podcasts.

Bernman · Post #238 » by **Bernman** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 7:22 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Bernman wrote:
REDDzone wrote:
Well the heel to butt thing was obviously a symptom and not the issue. IDK enough about his injury to know the details but Rogan seemed to be pretty impressed that he was able to tough it out. Plus, beating Machida healthy is already an awesome accomplishment, much less if you are limited by some leg injury.

But accomplishing it with a supposed significant knee injury makes it all that much more impressive, and Rogan is paid to hype fights/fighters.

Yea, he didn't say it on a ufc broadcast though. It was kind of as an aside in one of his podcasts.

I think he mentioned The Chris' knee problems during the fight. I'm not sure about the heel to butt comment, but he started acting like he was diminished earlier than the podcast.

Jasen777 · Post #239 » by **Jasen777** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 12:55 am

If the reported salaries here are right, then it looks like fighters missing weight don't lose a part of their win bonus. Which could make missing weight a profitable strategy if you believe it gives you an advantage.

REDDzone · Post #240 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 1:34 am

Jasen777 wrote:If the reported salaries here are right, then it looks like fighters missing weight don't lose a part of their win bonus. Which could make missing weight a profitable strategy if you believe it gives you an advantage.

Yea people were referring to it as if they also get the win bonus but I don't think so. I think its just base pay, and yea Lineker has been doing that for years lol.