Cammo Counts Down The Top 30 Fighters In Women's MMA History

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Post#61 » by Cammo101 » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:36 pm

#4 - Joanna "Champion" Jedrzejczyk

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Undefeated Polish superstar Joanna Jedrzejczyk is one of the biggest stars in all of MMA. A perfect 5-0 in the UFC, and 11-0 overall, she holds victories over Chaudia Gadelha, Jessica Penne, Carla Esparza, Rosi Sexton, and Valerie Letourneau. Joanna seems to get better every time she fights, and has a very real chance of one day holding the #1 spot on this list. She just needs a few more marquee wins. She will get a chance for one this weekend in her grudge match with ultra-tough Claudia Gadelha.
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Post#62 » by Jasen777 » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:00 pm

Are arms supposed to look like that?
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Post#63 » by Cammo101 » Fri Jul 8, 2016 10:34 pm

Jasen777 wrote:Are arms supposed to look like that?


Yeah, that creeped me out as well.
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Post#64 » by Cammo101 » Fri Jul 8, 2016 10:42 pm

#3 - Miesha "Cupcake" Tate

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Current UFC and former Strikeforce Bantamweight champion, Miesha Tate has become one of the biggest stars in the history of WMMA. Tate has been involved in some of the biggest fights in the history of WMMA, with her Rousey fights, the title win over Holm and soon to be main card slot at historic UFC 200. Tate is a lot more than just a pretty face, with a record of 18-5, and wins over Holly Holm, Jessica, Eye, Sara McMann, Rin Nakai, Hitomi Akano, and Marloes Coenen.
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Post#65 » by Cammo101 » Sat Jul 9, 2016 10:34 pm

#2 - Cristiane "Cyborg" Justino

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Cyborg vs. Rousey? Rousey vs. Cyborg? The eternal question of this countdown. I went back and forth a lot on this, and while I think Cyborg is the better fighter and would win if they fought, for now Cyborg is #2 here. The former Strikeforce and current Invicta FC champ at Featherweight has been a dominant force in WMMA for over a decade. It was ultimately her weight class, and it's lack of elite opponents that pushed her down to #2. Cyborg holds a sterling 16-1 record, and is currently on a 16 fight winning streak after losing her MMA debut. She has wins over Gina Carano, Leslie Smith, Marloes Coenen twice, Shayna Baszler, and Hitomi Akano.
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Post#66 » by Cammo101 » Sat Jul 9, 2016 10:40 pm

#1 - "Rowdy" Ronda Rousey

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And then there was one. Ronda Rousey is the former Strikeforce and UFC Bantamweight championwho single handedly brought WMMA to the UFC. While Ronda may be coming off her first career loss, her resume is still totally stacked. She is 12-1, with wins over Sara McMann, Sarah Kaufman, Liz Carmouche, Alexis Davis, Cat Zingano, and Miesha Tate twice. Time will tell whether Rousey can regain her spot at the top of the WMMA ladder, but for now she is the greatest fighter women's MMA has ever seen.
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Post#67 » by Jasen777 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:07 am

So is Joanna above Tate now? Rousey better come back soon or Joanna is going to take her spot. Cyborg is tough to rank because her division is so thin. She might be Rousey but that doesn't mean she's p4p better when Rousey can make 135 and she can't.
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Post#68 » by Cammo101 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:20 am

Jasen777 wrote:So is Joanna above Tate now? Rousey better come back soon or Joanna is going to take her spot. Cyborg is tough to rank because her division is so thin. She might be Rousey but that doesn't mean she's p4p better when Rousey can make 135 and she can't.


Maybe if Tate loses tonight, but even then maybe not. Tate has a strong resume. Joanna will need some more marquee wins to creep on these top couple spots. Beating Claudia was obviously a great start.
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Post#69 » by CPT » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:39 pm

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CPT wrote:Not sure Tate should be above the last two. You could even talk me into Coenen, though Tate beat her head to head.

She's only this high (though she'd deserve a top 8ish spot) because she beat Holm, who is only on the list because she beat Rousey. If Tate loses to Nunes this weekend, this is going to look really silly.


You mean the former Strikeforce and current UFC champion shouldn't be ahead of people who's second biggest wins are Shayna Baszler and Seo Hee Ham? That's a little like picking Shinya Aoki over DC.


I know this is kind of a cheap "I told you so" in hindsight, but it was kind of foresight as well. Maybe it wasn't going to happen so soon, but Tate wasn't going to have a long reign over the division. I don't think she's on that level.

Fujii and LaRosa were the undisputed top of their divisions for like 5-10 years, and if Tate was ever the top of hers, it was a technicality (Rousey being inactive, Cyborg not being able to cut 5 more pounds), and for...5 months? Not even? If there had been Strikeforce/UFC women's divisions then, Fujii and LaRosa most likely would have been champs. I'm sure you will argue the divisions are much stronger now, but this wasn't ancient history, and the levels of dominance and longevity are just so different.
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Post#70 » by Cammo101 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:22 pm

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CPT wrote:Not sure Tate should be above the last two. You could even talk me into Coenen, though Tate beat her head to head.

She's only this high (though she'd deserve a top 8ish spot) because she beat Holm, who is only on the list because she beat Rousey. If Tate loses to Nunes this weekend, this is going to look really silly.


You mean the former Strikeforce and current UFC champion shouldn't be ahead of people who's second biggest wins are Shayna Baszler and Seo Hee Ham? That's a little like picking Shinya Aoki over DC.


I know this is kind of a cheap "I told you so" in hindsight, but it was kind of foresight as well. Maybe it wasn't going to happen so soon, but Tate wasn't going to have a long reign over the division. I don't think she's on that level.

Fujii and LaRosa were the undisputed top of their divisions for like 5-10 years, and if Tate was ever the top of hers, it was a technicality (Rousey being inactive, Cyborg not being able to cut 5 more pounds), and for...5 months? Not even? If there had been Strikeforce/UFC women's divisions then, Fujii and LaRosa most likely would have been champs. I'm sure you will argue the divisions are much stronger now, but this wasn't ancient history, and the levels of dominance and longevity are just so different.


Fujii and LaRosa were great fighters, but they just weren't fighting enough great talent, and late in their careers when they did, they lost. I'm no giant Miesha fan, but her resume side by side with those of Fujii and LaRosa just isn't that close IMO. There is something to be said for dominating an era, but these lists have the benefit of retrospect.
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Post#71 » by CPT » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:51 pm

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Fujii and LaRosa were great fighters, but they just weren't fighting enough great talent, and late in their careers when they did, they lost. I'm no giant Miesha fan, but her resume side by side with those of Fujii and LaRosa just isn't that close IMO. There is something to be said for dominating an era, but these lists have the benefit of retrospect.


I guess we'll see what happens when Tate's career is over. Megu and LaRosa have some late-career losses that may be bogging them down. Tate hasn't had those yet, but she's been completely outclassed like 3, 4 times in her prime. By quick count, she's 2-5 (I think) against the rest of this list. I get that the eras are different, but I don't think she's ever been truly elite.

Making this women's list is a challenge with so many still active with a huge part of their resume to make up, but it seems like in some cases you were conservative, knowing so much could change with a few wins or losses here and there, and then bam, Miesha Tate at #3.
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Post#72 » by Cammo101 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:23 pm

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Fujii and LaRosa were great fighters, but they just weren't fighting enough great talent, and late in their careers when they did, they lost. I'm no giant Miesha fan, but her resume side by side with those of Fujii and LaRosa just isn't that close IMO. There is something to be said for dominating an era, but these lists have the benefit of retrospect.


I guess we'll see what happens when Tate's career is over. Megu and LaRosa have some late-career losses that may be bogging them down. Tate hasn't had those yet, but she's been completely outclassed like 3, 4 times in her prime. By quick count, she's 2-5 (I think) against the rest of this list. I get that the eras are different, but I don't think she's ever been truly elite.

Making this women's list is a challenge with so many still active with a huge part of their resume to make up, but it seems like in some cases you were conservative, knowing so much could change with a few wins or losses here and there, and then bam, Miesha Tate at #3.


The resume is so strong though. Strikeforce champion when Strikeforce was the #1 WMMA org in the world. UFC champion when th UFC is the #1 org in the world. She also has wins against two fighters in the top 10 on this list. Which only a couple fighters on the entire list can say.

I tend to agree that she may not be as good as her resume reads, but it's not like she lucked into these things.
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Post#73 » by AirCanadaMouse » Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:15 am

CPT wrote:I'll be reading, but WMMA is still so unestablished that this list will probably look outdated by the time it's finished.


Lol...

Amanda Nunes jumps way up from #27 and I think Joanna is my #1 at this point too.
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