Nate Diaz vs Dustin P - UFC 230

[Jasen777]

I legit LOLed when Lewis said DC going for single legs threw him off guard. WHAT DID YA EXPECT DUMMY? Maybe he was trolling.

I hope he was.

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I legit LOLed when Lewis said DC going for single legs threw him off guard. WHAT DID YA EXPECT DUMMY? Maybe he was trolling.

I hope he was.

To clarify, he said he wasn't surprised that he wrestled, he said he was surprised that DC shot singles. That is DC's sh*t though. I remember he said he knew Cain was done vs Werdum the second that he shot a double. He said we don't really shoot doubles we shoot singles singles singles! lol.

[REDDzone]

I know a lot of USADA speculation circles around Weidman, to offer a counterpoint, think of all the damage that dude has taken over the years.

The Rockhold fight was insanity and I honestly feel like Herb shouldn't be reffing after that debacle. The Romero knees. The Mousasi knees. The Jacare punch. Hell, he was even floored by Gastelum but was able to recover because it happened at the end of a round.

Maybe look into retiring before you are eating out of a straw?

[High 5]

DC/Jones is still building. Not sure how they can not make this happen.

Did you listen to DC's interview with Ariel yesterday? It was super interesting. Ariel said what you did, how can you not fight Jones, etc. DC definitively said he can retire without fighting Jones and Ariel said (paraphrase) "for the first time I can believe you, how is that?".

DC explained that when Jones popped for the second time he thought he would be suspended for years, and there was no way DC would still be fighting when he returned. So he said at that point he had to convince himself emotionally to let it go and come to terms with the fact that they would never fight again. So he did. So now, he has one fight left and it could be either of Jones/Brock/Stipe and sounds like he will be at peace with whichever of those three.

I think he'd be much more at peace with Brock.

For me, Jones is infinitely more interesting than the other two, but it would be soul crushing for DC to end his career with a 3rd loss to Jones. Of course, it would be the greatest triumph if he won.

[cowboyronnie]

I know a lot of USADA speculation circles around Weidman, to offer a counterpoint, think of all the damage that dude has taken over the years.

The Rockhold fight was insanity and I honestly feel like Herb shouldn't be reffing after that debacle. The Romero knees. The Mousasi knees. The Jacare punch. Hell, he was even floored by Gastelum but was able to recover because it happened at the end of a round.

Maybe look into retiring before you are eating out of a straw?

He should definitely retire. For whatever reason, he seems to have done well in terms of compensation. (Did he get a Reebok deal straight after they joined?)

The issue with whether it's USADA or sustained punishment is that there has also been a clear drop in weight. They have actually had to address it - claiming that he is (all of a sudden) focusing on cardio. The guy used to be able to bully dudes, given his size advantage. Even Rockhold, who is a massive MW. So why he would drop mass for cardio is unclear...unless that mass was being held together by PEDs.

Also, Long Island.

[REDDzone]

He should definitely retire. For whatever reason, he seems to have done well in terms of compensation. (Did he get a Reebok deal straight after they joined?)

The issue with whether it's USADA or sustained punishment is that there has also been a clear drop in weight. They have actually had to address it - claiming that he is (all of a sudden) focusing on cardio. The guy used to be able to bully dudes, given his size advantage. Even Rockhold, who is a massive MW. So why he would drop mass for cardio is unclear...unless that mass was being held together by PEDs.

Also, Long Island.

He did get an outside Reebok deal. Also he owns gyms with Longo in New York. Not sure what else he's got going on. I think his wife is a PA or something lol.

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Israel Adesanya continually acts like a real POS

Listening to his mmahour interview now. The only thing that turns me off about him is how he personally attacks the kickboxers who defeated him in the past. I don't know why he takes it so personally. He so often rails against people who he calls jealous but then he obviously has this insecurity which isn't any more admirable IMO.

I do admire how obviously passionate he is about the game. You can hear it in his voice as he is talking about the specific techniques and combinations that he throws (all of which is completely lost on Ariel and probably 90%+ of the listening audience). It's the same passion DC was using when talking about the chain wrestling he was utilizing vs. Lewis. I like that. Also, he has always maintained that he chose MMA over kickboxing/mma because he knew the deal, you can't claim to be the best fighter in the world if you just do one sport. He talks about how he couldn't live with himself even if he was best kickboxer on earth because he would always feel it was possible that some grappler could take him down and choke him out and he wants to be the best fighter. I also admire that.

Still curious why you think he's a POS. I'm tentatively a fan but am always examining in case that needs to change. (Except Royce Gracie and Frank Mir, those guys could join ISIS and I'd still root for them).

[Bernman]

Jones is the only fight left for Cormier that potentially works from a risk/reward standpoint, outside of if he can find another opponent like Lewis who he's 80+% to beat and can collect another paycheck against. Miocic he already beat. With Brock you can't trust him to not roid and then just look to retire again. There is no deterrence without the precedent of an effective lawsuit against a PED user. Very good chance Jones would do it again too because his punishments have been minor, but he would have a career left to lose time from, and not only would it provide Cormier an even bigger paycheck but avenge his only loss. I think take the Jones fight, some can for a title challenger, or retire.

I heard that Jacare would have lost the decision if not for coming thru with the clutch late ko. That would have been the 4th time he was robbed in Zuffa without returning the favor at all. The judges don't properly interpret the unified rules. It says you're supposed to weigh the impact of strikes heavily. Everything he throws is power. In round 2 he out-volumed Weidman too. The grappling was minimal. All Weidman got was a brief td and then had an attempt where he got reversed. But it happened at the end of the round and Weidman mounted the only offense in that area so it overrides the other 4:50? You're supposed to score the round as a whole and base on totality of effective actions, not put a check in each of the scoring criteria. I think no matter how much you refine the unified rules it's still going to produce poor judging because of the "ol' boy's club" and influence of crowds.

[cowboyronnie]

Israel Adesanya continually acts like a real POS

Listening to his mmahour interview now. The only thing that turns me off about him is how he personally attacks the kickboxers who defeated him in the past. I don't know why he takes it so personally. He so often rails against people who he calls jealous but then he obviously has this insecurity which isn't any more admirable IMO.

I do admire how obviously passionate he is about the game. You can hear it in his voice as he is talking about the specific techniques and combinations that he throws (all of which is completely lost on Ariel and probably 90%+ of the listening audience). It's the same passion DC was using when talking about the chain wrestling he was utilizing vs. Lewis. I like that. Also, he has always maintained that he chose MMA over kickboxing/mma because he knew the deal, you can't claim to be the best fighter in the world if you just do one sport. He talks about how he couldn't live with himself even if he was best kickboxer on earth because he would always feel it was possible that some grappler could take him down and choke him out and he wants to be the best fighter. I also admire that.

Still curious why you think he's a POS. I'm tentatively a fan but am always examining in case that needs to change. (Except Royce Gracie and Frank Mir, those guys could join ISIS and I'd still root for them).

It's the cruelty and vindictiveness. Watch any highlight of his kickboxing or early MMA career, he's mocking opponents during and after the fights. In the MMA cases, opponents he was way overmatching.

Also, he was really going after Brunson before the fight, for all sorts of perceived slights. "I'm going to make him pay for his words", etc. Meanwhile, Brunson had said next to nothing other than to show confidence. Calm down. Then, at the weigh-ins he made a gun with his fingers and shot it in Brunson's face. Ugh. So crossed the line. Brunson, at the end of the day, is trying to feed his family.

Yeah, when he was on Rogan, he also had that same bitterness & denial about his kickboxing losses.

[MystikSpiral]

I kind of want to see Israel vs. Paulo Costa next...no idea how that fight would go...

[Headliner]

I kind of want to see Israel vs. Paulo Costa next...no idea how that fight would go...

Ya, that was one of the names floating on Social Media. Bisping was saying Till as well if he goes up to 185.
Those would be great fights.

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It's the cruelty and vindictiveness. Watch any highlight of his kickboxing or early MMA career, he's mocking opponents during and after the fights. In the MMA cases, opponents he was way overmatching.

Also, he was really going after Brunson before the fight, for all sorts of perceived slights. "I'm going to make him pay for his words", etc. Meanwhile, Brunson had said next to nothing other than to show confidence. Calm down. Then, at the weigh-ins he made a gun with his fingers and shot it in Brunson's face. Ugh. So crossed the line. Brunson, at the end of the day, is trying to feed his family.

Yeah, when he was on Rogan, he also had that same bitterness & denial about his kickboxing losses.

I'll have to look into it more, I generally don't care what guys do before or after fights as long as its not cheating. Bad sportmanship after the fact is what irks me.

I do think there was more to the Brunson thing than you are probably aware of. I think Brunson was calling him a hypejob and such prior. I also think they had some weird run in a few years back, but it seems like one of those weird things Adesanya is holding onto and making more of a big deal than it really is.