Jasen777 wrote:radeonboy wrote:Who's Kanye West?
He went undefeated in Pride.
Is he this guy (RIP) that dumped Fedor on his head/neck and couldn't finish him?
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Jasen777 wrote:radeonboy wrote:Who's Kanye West?
He went undefeated in Pride.
Duke4life831 wrote:radeonboy wrote:Khabib over GSP as GOAT for me is not possible because Khabib inactivity/injuries the past few years. GSP has like 8 or 9 consecutive successful title defenses to Khabib's 3 or 4? And GSP had like some crazy number of title wins. As a whole GSP cleaned out the division, is a welterweight and middleweight champ, is class in and out of the octagon, a consummate professional. And GSP beat guys in the TRT era and is non drug cheat.
1. GSP
2. Fedor
3. Aldo
4. Mighty Mouse
5. Khabib
2-4 I have some issues. Fedor's resume is pretty weak when you break it down. His long stretch of never losing was filled with freak fights and washed up fighters. Aldo was still in his 20s when he lost to Conor, Aldo is 3-6 since turning 29. So its not like all his losses came with him fighting way past his physical prime or anything. Then when it comes to Mighty Mouse, who are the 2 biggest names he fought in his career? Cruz and Henry probably, he lost to both of them.
Headliner wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:Damn. I can't believe he had JG panicked in under 3 minutes. And he gave up the first minute. The moment he turned it on, JG cracked. He was heaving for breath and backpedaling. I'll have to rewatch to see how that even happened.
Khabib could definitely have finished that standing had he wanted to. Against, imo, the most fluid puncher in the sport.
I don’t think so at all.
It was frantic and crazy, but when JG Landed the leg kicks Khabib was buckeling. Khabib was also huffing too, he was struggling to breath during his interview still.
The whole thing coming in was JG had to survive 2 rounds and then Khabib, with a compromised weight cut might gas out enough that the takedowns are weak, which we’ve seen slightly in the past. Khabib fought like he knew that, and that was perfect game planning because it worked.
That said though, JG was winning the first round. Two judges gave him it. He had 15 significant leg strikes and they were huge. They were icing his legs in between the round.
Khabib mauled him, but the idea he was going to take him out on his feet, I don’t think so. The longer that stood up the more likely Khabibs leg is in the first row.
zhenyasj wrote:Headliner wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:Damn. I can't believe he had JG panicked in under 3 minutes. And he gave up the first minute. The moment he turned it on, JG cracked. He was heaving for breath and backpedaling. I'll have to rewatch to see how that even happened.
Khabib could definitely have finished that standing had he wanted to. Against, imo, the most fluid puncher in the sport.
I don’t think so at all.
It was frantic and crazy, but when JG Landed the leg kicks Khabib was buckeling. Khabib was also huffing too, he was struggling to breath during his interview still.
The whole thing coming in was JG had to survive 2 rounds and then Khabib, with a compromised weight cut might gas out enough that the takedowns are weak, which we’ve seen slightly in the past. Khabib fought like he knew that, and that was perfect game planning because it worked.
That said though, JG was winning the first round. Two judges gave him it. He had 15 significant leg strikes and they were huge. They were icing his legs in between the round.
Khabib mauled him, but the idea he was going to take him out on his feet, I don’t think so. The longer that stood up the more likely Khabibs leg is in the first row.
Was listening to Firas Zahabi's post fight reaction and he didn't believe that anyone would give JG the first round so had to double check. Wasn't even close according to him.
goodboy wrote:Khabib p4p goat. GG.
What a career.
cowboyronnie wrote:Losses: GSP, 2; Khabib, 0
Headliner wrote:goodboy wrote:Khabib p4p goat. GG.
What a career.
Wins vs Ranked opponents
Jones - 20
GSP - 18
...
Khabib - 9
Wins vs Former/Future/Current champions UFC, Strikeforce, Pride, Bellator
GSP - 8 (10 if you count beating them twice)
Jones - 7
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Khabib - 1
Title defenses
Jones - 11
GSP - 9
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Khabib - 3
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REDDzone wrote:Yea, it's definitely not the vast majority's opinion that Khabib is the GOAT. And if it is, it won't be after this honeymoon period is over.
One of the best ever and maybe the most dominant fighter ever. But the accomplishments just don't stack up to being the GOAT.
Headliner wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:Losses: GSP, 2; Khabib, 0
Jones 0.
Tibeau disagrees with Khabibs zero lol.
Seriously though, Khabib's beat 4 guys worth mentioning...the debate is pure lunacy.
If Khamzat beats Edwards, he will be 3 wins away from being the goat!
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cowboyronnie wrote:Losses: GSP, 2; Khabib, 0
REDDzone wrote:Obviously people care less about pre-UFC records in this discussion. But one thing to point out to, since I've seen people cite the 29-0 thing in favor of Khabib, is that many of his pre-UFC fights were just a joke. I count 7 fight against opponents with losing records just scrolling through his record in 30 seconds, so definitely some padding there. GSP never fought anyone with a losing record and his fights outside of the UFC were against guys like Ivan Menjivar lol. FWIW, I count one Jones fight early career vs a guy with a losing record.
Headliner wrote:REDDzone wrote:Obviously people care less about pre-UFC records in this discussion. But one thing to point out to, since I've seen people cite the 29-0 thing in favor of Khabib, is that many of his pre-UFC fights were just a joke. I count 7 fight against opponents with losing records just scrolling through his record in 30 seconds, so definitely some padding there. GSP never fought anyone with a losing record and his fights outside of the UFC were against guys like Ivan Menjivar lol. FWIW, I count one Jones fight early career vs a guy with a losing record.
Exactly.
It’s why the debate is so ridiculous.
GSP and Jones have fought top 10 guys for huge portions of not almost their entire careers. You are talking 17-20ish fights.
Khabib fought 6 I think.
When you fight elite competition, that is when you are tested. That’s when A) weaknesses are exposed and B) injuries add up.
Khabib is just entering that phase of his career and is retiring.
You can say he’s one of the best to do it, but saying he’s the best...dear god
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Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
NO-KG-AI wrote:Imagine how fondly Chris Weidman would be looked upon if he walked away after the Vitor fight. People would still think he was the possible foil to Bones, etc.
Khabib is a monster, but you can’t compare his short reign to something like GSPs lengthy dominance.
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