Boxing Thread 5

[CPT]

Old one was well over 100 pages, so here's a new one.

[Knickfan1982]

Real boxing fans want to see the best fight the best.

Fan Boys make excuses for their fighter taking soft fights.

There is no middle ground.

[cowboyronnie]

Agreed.

So explain why the pound-for-pound BEST (and biggest draw, most powerful fighter) fighting someone who literally BESTed him is not the "best fighting the best". Why should boxing fans not want such fights? Namely, fights where the pound-for-pound fighter is fighting people who can beat them?

I'll wait.

You have no response. You're just a babbling contrarian.

[Knickfan1982]

Agreed.

So explain why the pound-for-pound BEST (and biggest draw, most powerful fighter) fighting someone who literally BESTed him is not the "best fighting the best". Why should boxing fans not want such fights? Namely, fights where the pound-for-pound fighter is fighting people who can beat them?

I'll wait.

You have no response. You're just a babbling contrarian.

Oh I have a response....first of all....have the courage to quote me in your responses. Enough with this just post and hope I don't notice nonsense.

Secondly, I don't have a problem with Canelo fighting Bivol next. So of course I don't have a response to "well why shouldn't Canelo fight the guy who just beat him". He absolutely should fight him next. My point, which you completely missed because you're too busy worrying about protecting Canelo's rep than making a good argument, was that Bivol only got the shot because he didn't look good in his previous two fights. And then I pointed out Canelo's history of taking on guys only after they look less threatening. Your response...Well Canelo is the A side he can do what he wants.

You're not a fan of the sport. You're a fan of Canelo.

[cowboyronnie]

Agreed.

So explain why the pound-for-pound BEST (and biggest draw, most powerful fighter) fighting someone who literally BESTed him is not the "best fighting the best". Why should boxing fans not want such fights? Namely, fights where the pound-for-pound fighter is fighting people who can beat them?

I'll wait.

You have no response. You're just a babbling contrarian.

Oh I have a response....first of all....have the courage to quote me in your responses. Enough with this just post and hope I don't notice nonsense.

Secondly, I don't have a problem with Canelo fighting Bivol next. So of course I don't have a response to "well why shouldn't Canelo fight the guy who just beat him". He absolutely should fight him next. My point, which you completely missed because you're too busy worrying about protecting Canelo's rep than making a good argument, was that Bivol only got the shot because he didn't look good in his previous two fights. And then I pointed out Canelo's history of taking on guys only after they look less threatening. Your response...Well Canelo is the A side he can do what he wants.

You're not a fan of the sport. You're a fan of Canelo.

Firstly, that's speculation made by someone who is clearly butthurt about getting Canelo wrong (lol @ still whining about Liam Smith).

Second, I'm sure that Canelo and his team *do* consider whether fights are winnable or not. They didn't take on Beterbiev immediately. But so **** what? You want him to just destroy Mungia or Charlo instead? He finishes each in under 6. As long as he's taking on fights that *could go either way*, who isn't happy? Answer this. As a boxing fan, why don't you want literally the best fighting fights they could lose? Which was the case in this last weekend's fight? Why are you whining?

He moved to take on someone who could beat him. Why should he move on to take someone who has an even better chance of beating him (i.e. Beterbiev)? He has no obligation to take on suicide missions. Forget Beterbiev, why not take on Usyk or Fury? Is that being a boxing fan?

[cowboyronnie]

Holy crap, I just realized you're a timelord. Or Augustine's God. That's why you're worried about policing Canelo's motivation 4 months ago rather than actually having enjoyed a great fight this weekend (where the best fought the best). And why you're still worried about a fight against Liam Smith 6 years ago. It's that you don't exist in sequential time, all events are imminent to you at all times. It's the only explanation for why you can't enjoy actual fights: you don't experience events at all, temporally speaking.

That, or you're a contrarian bitch.

[Knickfan1982]

Holy crap, I just realized you're a timelord. Or Augustine's God. That's why you're worried about policing Canelo's motivation 4 months ago rather than actually having enjoyed a great fight this weekend (where the best fought the best). And why you're still worried about a fight against Liam Smith 6 years ago. It's that you don't exist in sequential time, all events are imminent to you at all times. It's the only explanation for why you can't enjoy actual fights: you don't experience events at all, temporally speaking.

That, or you're a contrarian bitch.

Firstly, that's speculation made by someone who is clearly butthurt about getting Canelo wrong (lol @ still whining about Liam Smith).

Second, I'm sure that Canelo and his team *do* consider whether fights are winnable or not. They didn't take on Beterbiev immediately. But so **** what? You want him to just destroy Mungia or Charlo instead? He finishes each in under 6. As long as he's taking on fights that *could go either way*, who isn't happy? Answer this. As a boxing fan, why don't you want literally the best fighting fights they could lose? Which was the case in this last weekend's fight? Why are you whining?

He moved to take on someone who could beat him. Why should he move on to take someone who has an even better chance of beating him (i.e. Beterbiev)? He has no obligation to take on suicide missions. Forget Beterbiev, why not take on Usyk or Fury? Is that being a boxing fan?

People like you were trying to hype up Canelo as if he was some all time great based upon what he did in recent years which is your right. The problem here is that if you're going to hype someone up to the level of an all time great or even the current #1 p4p fighter then that fighter's record needs to be held up to a stricter scrutiny than just some random schlub. Errol Spence dares to be great. He almost died in a car wreck and rather than take some soft tune up fight he chose Danny Garcia....and he whipped his butt. He then suffered a career threatening problem with his eye. When he recovered he decided to unify belts with Yordenis Ugas rather than take a soft tune up fight. Manny Pacquio is a living legend. He didn't always come out on top but he fought a boatload of top guys across multiple weight classes that someone of his status had no reason to fight. He fought them anyway. Then you have Canelo with his extensive record of cherry picking opponents when they they are starting to slide backwards from their peak. His cherry picking bit him on the butt this weekend. It was funny as hell.

[cowboyronnie]

It ain't pretty, it's a lot of slappy arm punches thrown without his hips, but Charlo is #1 at 154 now. I don't know who he faces. The division is really pretty lame, considering the depth at 147 and 160/168. Maybe someone comes up from 147? Maybe Charlo goes to 160? He weighed in at 152. But his frame is absolutely massive, he had a ridiculous advantage on Castano.

[Knickfan1982]

Fights with Sebastian Fundora and Tim Tzyu would be fun.

[cowboyronnie]

Is Rolly the most delusional fighter around or does he have a chance? I think he believes every word of this. So much so that you start to believe him...but, then, you watch his fights and compare them to Tank's...and, I mean, he seems wildly out of his depth.

I've seen all the sparring footage of him and Garcia and Teo. Clearly, the dude can show up and bring it. Some significant part of that is his attitude and mentality. But Tank is supremely talented and to actually provoke Tank into putting in a serious training camp (which I suspect is not always the case) can only further lessen his chances. It's just wild there's not an iota of self-doubt in the guy.

Also, given that his best performances are in sparring, you always have to question the other fighter's mental and physical state. Had Garcia run 10 miles that morning? Was he jetlagged? Was it in Rolly's gym and Garcia had had to travel across town?