Boxing Thread 5

Dupp · Post #101 » by **Dupp** » Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:49 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:I'd rather see Usyk vs Wilder than Usyk vs Fury. It would be a totally different fight to see someone 220 beat Wilder than someone - Fury - at 270 do it. Can Usyk stay away from that sloppy right? Can he - at 220 - break down Wilder? There's tremendous drama.

I mean in theory usyk should outbox him but when wilder can kill someone with a nothing punch it’s hard to have confidence he can avoid that for a whole fight.

Knickfan1982 · Post #102 » by **Knickfan1982** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:22 am

Of course there is a lot of he said she said going around but at the end of the day what matters most is that Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence will not be fighting this year. Crawford didn't want to go without a fight in 2022 and felt things were dragging on too long with Spence so he moved on. His opponent is ok as for as stay busy fights go but not at Crawford's level nor is this fight even remotely PPV worthy even at a $40 price point. His opponent is more gatekeeper level and appropriate for guys like Conor Benn. But at least Crawford's fighting.

https://www.boxingscene.com/terence-crawford-fight-david-avanesyan-on-december-10-hometown-omaha--169879

cowboyronnie · Post #103 » by **cowboyronnie** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:04 pm

fuuuuck

a PPV for that is ridiculous.

Butch718 · Post #104 » by **Butch718** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:06 pm

Ain’t no one outside of Omaha gonna pay for that garbage.

cowboyronnie · Post #105 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:55 am

I usually defend boxing. But this is embarrassing for the sport.

It's also obscene how many outmatched opponents Crawford has brutalized. Like, it's inhumane.

Knickfan1982 · Post #106 » by **Knickfan1982** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:16 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:fuuuuck

a PPV for that is ridiculous.

They better have a stacked undercard for such a crappy main event.

Butch718 · Post #107 » by **Butch718** » Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:06 am

Loma is past it.

Haney beats him via UD.

cowboyronnie · Post #108 » by **cowboyronnie** » Tue Nov 1, 2022 1:27 pm

Yeah, Loma didn't look great. But that dude was a tough opponent on a bunch of levels: clearly coming into his own; f***ing huge, fights hands down and angles out at the waist; ex-sparring partner not going to get befuddled by Loma's angles.

Loma's conditioning (and the other guy's) were ridiculous. Those dudes were fighting like dogs in those final rounds.

cowboyronnie · Post #109 » by **cowboyronnie** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:07 pm

Well, no one can question Garcia's bravery. He's 20 fights into his career, a minted social media moneymaker, and still taking on the hardest puncher in the sport not named Wilder.

Knickfan1982 · Post #110 » by **Knickfan1982** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:50 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:Well, no one can question Garcia's bravery. He's 20 fights into his career, a minted social media moneymaker, and still taking on the hardest puncher in the sport not named Wilder.

It has nothing to do with bravery and everything to do with money. With Lomachenko being lined up to fight Haney and Josh Taylor being lined up for Jack Catterall Gervonta Davis represents one of the few big money fights available. Its good that he is taking the fight but lets not pretend he's being brave. The people who should be commended are the executives at PBC and Showtime for their willingness to work with DAZN let this fight happen when those network difficulties reportedly scuttled a possible Charlo/Munguia fight earlier this year.

ejftw · Post #111 » by **ejftw** » Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:02 am

Knickfan1982 wrote:
cowboyronnie wrote:fuuuuck

a PPV for that is ridiculous.

They better have a stacked undercard for such a crappy main event.

They probably won't, and as someone that has seen a lot of Ava, and a fan of his, it's just not one he has more than a 5% chance of winning, if even that. It's going to take a miracle

ejftw · Post #112 » by **ejftw** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:12 pm

Well, that Bud-Ava undercard is pretty underwhelming....def not worth the PPV price

cowboyronnie · Post #113 » by **cowboyronnie** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:06 pm

Knickfan1982 wrote:
cowboyronnie wrote:Well, no one can question Garcia's bravery. He's 20 fights into his career, a minted social media moneymaker, and still taking on the hardest puncher in the sport not named Wilder.

It has nothing to do with bravery and everything to do with money. With Lomachenko being lined up to fight Haney and Josh Taylor being lined up for Jack Catterall Gervonta Davis represents one of the few big money fights available. Its good that he is taking the fight but lets not pretend he's being brave. The people who should be commended are the executives at PBC and Showtime for their willingness to work with DAZN let this fight happen when those network difficulties reportedly scuttled a possible Charlo/Munguia fight earlier this year.

The divorce is strong with this one.

Ryan is basically independently wealthy via social media and appearance fees at this point. Whatever extra $ a fight with Tank will reap over a fight with a lesser fighter just isn't significant, it's not going to impact his lifestyle one bit. The kid actually wants to prove something. He could coast (like Tank has) and still reap tens of millions over his career.

cowboyronnie · Post #114 » by **cowboyronnie** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:09 pm

If we get Plant vs Benevidez and Bivol vs Beterbiev by next Fall, I'll be pretty content. Those are bangers. I'm most disappointed that Beterbiev is wasting his time with Yarde in January. Why? they just finalized it like last week. But could have been working on Bivol for April and May.

Maybe they're thinking he needs a tune-up since he's basically been inactive for years given how little resistance JMJ provided.

Knickfan1982 · Post #115 » by **Knickfan1982** » Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:12 am

Ryan is basically independently wealthy via social media and appearance fees at this point. Whatever extra $ a fight with Tank will reap over a fight with a lesser fighter just isn't significant, it's not going to impact his lifestyle one bit. The kid actually wants to prove something. He could coast (like Tank has) and still reap tens of millions over his career.

But how is he managing his money. Sports especially boxing are lined with former millionaires living in the poor house.

cowboyronnie wrote:If we get Plant vs Benevidez and Bivol vs Beterbiev by next Fall, I'll be pretty content. Those are bangers. I'm most disappointed that Beterbiev is wasting his time with Yarde in January. Why? they just finalized it like last week. But could have been working on Bivol for April and May.

Maybe they're thinking he needs a tune-up since he's basically been inactive for years given how little resistance JMJ provided.

I would be happy but if Crawford vs. Spence doesn't happen I am burning this place down.

cowboyronnie · Post #116 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:20 pm

Knickfan1982 wrote:
Ryan is basically independently wealthy via social media and appearance fees at this point. Whatever extra $ a fight with Tank will reap over a fight with a lesser fighter just isn't significant, it's not going to impact his lifestyle one bit. The kid actually wants to prove something. He could coast (like Tank has) and still reap tens of millions over his career.

But how is he managing his money. Sports especially boxing are lined with former millionaires living in the poor house.

WHAT REASON DO YOU HAVE TO THINK THAT HE IS MISMANAGING HIS MONEY? You're just making **** up.

Tell me, how is this even the best financial decision - if he were all about banking money? He makes $3 million/fight fighting guys who can't hurt him, plus sponsorships, social media money, and appearance fees. That's all lined in perpetuity. He can make $10 million easy over the next 2 years. So how is facing the hardest puncher south of HW a good financial decision?

Why would you be making desperate, cash-in decisions this early in your career when you have guaranteed millions?

Was it a good financial decision for Leo Santa Cruz? The dude has basically not fought in the 2+ years since the Tank fight (he fought one 10 rder against a guy without a wiki... the first 10 rder he'd fought in a decade).

Risking getting KTFO is not a good financial decision, and Tank is currently at +175 to do this to Garcia.

Knickfan1982 · Post #117 » by **Knickfan1982** » Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:46 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:
WHAT REASON DO YOU HAVE TO THINK THAT HE IS MISMANAGING HIS MONEY? You're just making **** up

Firstly, when did I say he was mismanaging his money? Secondly, if you don't know the multitudes of millionaire athletes that are dirt poor then you're not really paying attention to sports.

Tell me, how is this even the best financial decision - if he were all about banking money? He makes $3 million/fight fighting guys who can't hurt him, plus sponsorships, social media money, and appearance fees. That's all lined in perpetuity. He can make $10 million easy over the next 2 years. So how is facing the hardest puncher south of HW a good financial decision?

Why would you be making desperate, cash-in decisions this early in your career when you have guaranteed millions?

Once again, there is a difference between taking the biggest money fight available and making a desperate cash out fight. Why is it all or nothing with you?

Was it a good financial decision for Leo Santa Cruz? The dude has basically not fought in the 2+ years since the Tank fight (he fought one 10 rder against a guy without a wiki... the first 10 rder he'd fought in a decade).

Two plus years would be more than 24 months without a fight. Leo Santa Cruz only went like 15 months between fights. Stop exaggerating. Was it the right money making decision. I think it was a dumb decision but that situation isn't comparable. Leo Santa Cruz was jumping up to fight someone naturally bigger. Garcia is naturally the bigger fighter.

ejftw · Post #118 » by **ejftw** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:13 am

Ava did what he could, those first five were close to call, but Bud is on another level. If Bud fights like this against Spence, I wouldn't be confident.

Papi_swav · Post #119 » by **Papi_swav** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:24 am

Teofimo doesn't look as great as he used to. Hope he fights Haney eventually, that's a fight I would like to see. Now Spence vs Crawford won't happen in the first half because Spence got into another car accident so that'll be his go to excuse.

ejftw · Post #120 » by **ejftw** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:35 am

Papi_swav wrote:Teofimo doesn't look as great as he used to. Hope he fights Haney eventually, that's a fight I would like to see. Now Spence vs Crawford won't happen in the first half because Spence got into another car accident so that'll be his go to excuse.

Teo asking if he still has it....he shouldn't fight Haney anytime soon...he needs a C+ level tune up fight to get some confidence back or else it'd be a bloodbath.