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[REDDzone]

I don't see it as art vs art anymore either because everyone trains everything.

That said, I don't see how its skewed against strikers like a lot of people seem to claim. If kicks/knees to downed opponents were allowed, is it really strikers who would benefit? Seems to me if Cain was allowed to kick/knee JDS in the face when JDS was turtling, that fight would have been finished for example. I just think it goes both ways. Also, the 5 minute rounds are a crazy advantage in favor of strikers. If you have to set up the takedown, by the time you get it you sometimes don't have enough time to work, and that's not counting refs standing guys up in 4 seconds these days.

Obviously the judging is absurdly biased for wrestlers, there is no disputing that, and that's one of my biggest issues with the sport. But that's honestly mostly biased against guys who try to sub off their back, as opposed to guys who would rather be up striking. Hioki beat Guida because he was working off his back (imo Pettis did too). But there is no argument that Fitch beat Alves for example, because Alves wanted to be standing but Fitch was on his back or in half guard literally the entire fight.

edit: I'd assume the cage is another advantage geared towards grapplers.

[Jasen777]

He touched on the real truth at one point, and he would have been better off expanding on that (or just cutting it short) than ripping into Fitch. He said something to the effect of "Jon Fitch isn't cheap. He makes too much money to fight on the prelims." Could anybody really get too upset about that?

They're having alot of cards. Court McGee, Josh Neer, Nick Ring, Chris Camozzi, TUF runners up, all are on the main cards of the next 2 PPVs. But Fitch isn't a main card fighter?

[blkout]

I don't see it as art vs art anymore either because everyone trains everything.

That said, I don't see how its skewed against strikers like a lot of people seem to claim. If kicks/knees to downed opponents were allowed, is it really strikers who would benefit? Seems to me if Cain was allowed to kick/knee JDS in the face when JDS was turtling, that fight would have been finished for example.

I don't think the execution of the move is the important thing, like if wrestlers were able to get guys into a position where they could knee them in the face or whatever, better than a striker could, it just solidifies wrestling as the most effective combat technique, but I don't think it nullifies the fact that it's a technique that would be more devastating coming from a muay thai guy than a wrestler, and it's not available to him. I dunno if I'd want to see soccer kicks but I hate the rule that if you put your hand on the mat you can't be kneed. If you're in that position to begin with it means you're doing something wrong, that rule just bails you out.

[REDDzone]

I agree that's a silly rule. Maybe I should pay more attention but I feel like that mostly happens to guys who are pushed up against the cage (Dodson vs Mouse). Usually its the guy controlling the clinch who has the other pushed up against the cage....that could be a good standup fighter or a good wrestler controlling that. Especially good greco though. Example: Couture.

God that's such a stupid rule though, who almost kicked Bones head off with that? Vitor? That would have been awesome had that happened.

[Shaazzam]

Does Garcia fight for peanuts though?

He could fight for free and not belong anywhere near the ufc, just imo.

LOL ya got a point.

[NZB2323]

IMHO wrestlers would do much better in a street fight. The ground in concrete instead of a mat, so you could kill a man by slamming him. Even taking a guy down and then beating the back of his head against concrete is a much quicker way to kill a man than anything that kickboxing/Muay Thai/Jiu-Jitsu has to offer. Plus there'd be no referee standup in a street fight.

I remember Arthur Jones saying that he'd take Ray Lewis in a streetfight over Jon Jones, but would he take Ray Lewis over Cain?

[REDDzone]

Really? That's absurd! Jon Jones would probably take Ray Lewis's life within 1 minute if he wanted to.

[Jasen777]

Does Lewis get to use a knife?

[REDDzone]

If I heard right, I think Dana promised at the QandA that we would see either Silva/GSP or Silva/Bones by the end of this year. If he fights Weidman in July it'd have to be the new years card.

[REDDzone]

Does Lewis get to use a knife?

Yea that may make me put my money on Lewis. If it were a baseball bat though I'd still take Bones.

[NZB2323]

Ray Lewis might get more respect than any other football player in history. Even when he was clearly past his prime, fans kept voting him into the probowl game. When sportswriters would call him overrated because he's on the decline, they'd get a lot of death threats. When he tore his triceps everyone believed that he was out for the year because that's what a torn triceps means for NFL players. When he came back and played his best football in 5 years, America believed it was God's will instead of steroids. When Joe Flacco won Superbowl MVP, every article was written about Ray Lewis. Hell, even Dana White was telling people to watch the documentary about Ray Lewis' childhood, and he was saying that it would be awesome if Ray Lewis won the superbowl, when the documentary was on a competing network of FOX, and the NFL is a competitor of the UFC.

[CPT]

He touched on the real truth at one point, and he would have been better off expanding on that (or just cutting it short) than ripping into Fitch. He said something to the effect of "Jon Fitch isn't cheap. He makes too much money to fight on the prelims." Could anybody really get too upset about that?

They're having alot of cards. Court McGee, Josh Neer, Nick Ring, Chris Camozzi, TUF runners up, all are on the main cards of the next 2 PPVs. But Fitch isn't a main card fighter?

That's a good point. The idea of a main card fighter certainly doesn't mean as much as it used to. And even when it did, Fitch would still be there.

I hope they cut down the number of cards when they make the rest of the fighter cuts, because the quality has really been suffering.

There's really no good argument to be made for cutting Fitch. I'm just saying an appeal to the business side would come off better than trying to downplay his ability.

[Jasen777]

There's really no good argument to be made for cutting Fitch. I'm just saying an appeal to the business side would come off better than trying to downplay his ability.

That's true. Fitch is apparently signing with the WSOF.

[REDDzone]

WSOF has a tv deal. UFC is cutting a bunch of guys and the talent will be there. How long until WSOF becomes a weaker version of what strikeforce was and the ufc re-buys them out just for the process to start again?

[REDDzone]

Ariel Helwani
Dana said Aldo will fight Pettis or he's not going to like the way this turns out. He's absolutely refusing right now.

[REDDzone]

The mmahour episode so far is meh, but this Irish guy at the end...This interview is hilarious.

Listen to it.

[REDDzone]

Overeem's blood test comes back showing he had low testosterone levels. The source is mmajunkie. It has absolute t levels included, which is something I know nothing about. I have to wonder if the low t levels has something to do with past steroid abuse though...

Also, how long until he gets a trt exemption?

[REDDzone]

Riddle popped for weed. Out of the ufc.

mmajunkie

[REDDzone]

I guess Bendo is saying if he beats Gil he wants GSP (read it on the UG, just twitter sourced).

Why even have divisions at this point?

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#Breaking: @ArielHelwani reports that if @BensonHenderson beats Melendez he wants to move up to 170 and fight @GeorgesStPierre!

[CPT]

In before "he's ducking Anthony Pettis."