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SDM · Post #1281 » by **SDM** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 7:13 pm

When did this story come out?

REDDzone · Post #1282 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 7:19 pm

Well first off the nye rape thing came out shortly after, sometime mid January I think. Two of "Master Lloyd's" students raped a fellow female student. It was discussed on this board if you recall. Just a horrific situation.

Then some random dude on sherdog basically blamed LLoyd for a rape culture, people hated on him for it because 'it wasn't Lloyd's fault', then he said I hate to do this but...and posted a link to Lloyd's trial back when he was in college. I guess some chick got gang raped and he was going to join but couldn't get it up. Long story short, they claimed it was consensual, she screamed rape, some of the guys there said he did it, he said he didn't, he was the one guy who got off (no pun) in the whole situation because of reasonable doubt. Other stuff happens like its discovered that Lloyd's sambo instructor was a rapist or something.

Then, all the sudden, news breaks this week that Keenan Cornelius (probably the biggest prodigy in the bjj world at the moment) is leaving TLI. People dig into why, on forums everyone is like "I know why but can't say" etc etc. Then this Jordon Schultz character comes out with his statement today/last night that Lloyd was brainwashing/coercing people.

Its especially interesting to go back and read Ryan Hall's statement on this entire thing. Hall is one of the most well spoken dudes in the sport, a stand up guy by all accounts. He basically came out and called TLI a cult a few weeks/month back. Crazy stuff:
http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/20 ... ryan-hall/

SDM · Post #1283 » by **SDM** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 7:25 pm

Cool... yeah, I remembered the NYE thing. Can't wait to read this when I'm home in a bit.

Susan · Post #1284 » by **Susan** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 8:40 pm

Man, that Ryan Hall journal was right on the money with these new findings.

cowboyronnie · Post #1285 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 1:40 am

A lot of honorable BJJ community people in that Sherdog thread. Really taking it seriously.

cowboyronnie · Post #1286 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 1:46 am

So my grasp of it:

Irvin was involved in a gang rape in 1989. Not convicted, but there and a scumbag.
Students raped someone on NYE.
Pretty strong allegations of him raping a 14 y/o.
Creeped on wife of 'inner circle'.

The 1989 case:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/1/10/38 ... -rape-case

Ugh, what a scumbag.

cowboyronnie · Post #1287 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 9:13 pm

REDDzone wrote:
cowboyronnie wrote:Yeah, 9-5 jobs are really no good for exercise/practice and eating. I'm the same way, don't want to eat an insane amount before bed. But also have to eat like a sparrow all day so I'm not bloated or lethargic for practice.

Despite occasional cheat meals, I eat relatively clean. I have to say though the biggest change for me came when I went from 2.5 or at most 3 meals per day to 4-5 meals per day. That's optimal for me at least.

Also, some people (mostly athletes) swear by it, and I'm sure its effective, but I was paging through Robb Wolf's giant infomercial book on Paleo and only got about 1/6th of the way through before I tossed it out due to the sheer amount of bro science and outright intentionally misleading claims littered throughout the "science" portions. Parts of that were just cringeworthy.

Your background in hard sciences?

A bunch of podcasts have discussed Paleo vs alternatives recently. Including a strange one with James Wilks on Rick Roll's show (where he gives a poor, dogmatic defense of veganism but also against paleo and in favor of eating lots of carbs). So much B.S. to carve through with so many of these diet advocates.

REDDzone · Post #1288 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 12:24 am

Not my main field but he was making too many blanket claims and simplifying way too many issues in the history portion. I've studied some of this stuff in the past, and I know his claims about the health of hunter/gatherers versus the health of early farmers was way too simplified. It just wasn't nearly as simple as "hunters were strong tall and healthy" versus farmers who were weak short and diseased as he explained it. So many different people had set up hybrid systems in terms of hunting/gathering, it was more of a continuum as oppose to categorical in terms of method of attaining food based on things such as weather seasons, etc. And also the health of early farmers varied a lot based on what they farmed, whether they domesticated animals as well, and factors such as protein content of their crops. Just to paint the picture that he was painting irritated me. And I stopped reading in the middle of the physiological parts of it, but he was dumbing it down too much for my taste anyway.

I agree with the stuff you were saying about the podcasts, I just feel like those people are always trying to sell me something (and they are). I liked Rich Roll though on jre. I still think there are questions as to how to get certain things though as a vegan. Especially if you don't like to supplement.

Post #1289 » by **blkout** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 3:06 am

Soa "Hulk" Palelei signed with the UFC, again. He is a rather large human who has won 8 straight (against luminaries like Bob Sapp and Sean McCorkle) since tapping to strikes against Cormier. I'm guessing they'll just throw him on the next Australian card or something.

REDDzone · Post #1290 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 3:44 pm

Riddle on mmahour going off on the ufc somewhat. Saying he doesn't like the direction of the company, as they are firing top level talent to make room for "lower level talent to just scrap".

SDM · Post #1291 » by **SDM** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 4:18 pm

"Look at guys like Dave Herman. Three fight losing streak, gets knocked out like three times in a row and fails two drug tests for weed and he is still in the UFC. I don't take anything from Herman, I bet he is a great guy, but, I don't know, I think that is very hypocritical and those are politics right there, that's not good business. That's guys getting together having a little pow-wow and saying, 'Let's get rid of Riddle. He's fighting more conservative, he's going out there for wins and he's fighting more educated and I would rather hire a couple of guys from Australia or the U.K. that just brawl and pay them half as much.' I kind of knew. I was kind of getting paid more, everything was coming into play, I was hitting my stride and I think they were just looking for a way to get rid of me."

"What I see happening is a year or two from now, the UFC will call me back after I've won five or six fights and I will probably, at that time, probably say no because I really don't like the direction they are taking the company. They are firing high-level talent so they can have lower-level talent to just scrap. They would rather have a brawl than a good technical fight and I think that is going to be their downfall because the fans are getting more educated and they are getting smarter and they don't want to see a slugfest and two (Please Use More Appropriate Word) guys with brain damage bleeding everywhere."

Jilted ex-lover syndrome. "I won't even take her back if she grovels and says I'm the best". Not to say he doesn't have the remnants of a much larger point, but dude, "fighting conservatively" is something you just started to do recently. You were, uhh, a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) brawler until that point. People tuned in, if they even did, to watch you abandon your gameplan and fight recklessly because you're not skilled. Fact. Change your game plan, get busted for the second time in (though I think society agrees that it's a stupid cause for suspension) 9 numbered cards... yeah, you had something to do with this, jackass. And you fight at 170.

Susan · Post #1292 » by **Susan** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 4:30 pm

Keenan's dad just posted on the UG. This LI stuff just doesn't stop.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm ... 73&page=16

Tom Callos wrote:I was working in and helping the industry when LI was in college chasing 17 year olds. I'm not letting any crazy stop me from doing my life's work, thank you.

REDDzone · Post #1293 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 10:19 pm

Its too quiet around here without goldchain.

Jasen777 · Post #1294 » by **Jasen777** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 11:03 pm

because the fans are getting more educated and they are getting smarter and they don't want to see a slugfest and two (Please Use More Appropriate Word) guys with brain damage bleeding everywhere."

Any one think Riddle is right about what the fans want there? I don't.

Post #1295 » by **CPT** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 3:10 am

Would anyone be disappointed if they never saw Matt Riddle fight again? I didn't think so.

I can't fully get behind the UFC's recent cuts, but I think the message being sent is if you are boring, you damn well better not lose (or screw up outside of the cage a la Riddle). And I can get behind that in theory.

If there is a demand for sport/competition over entertainment, the market will settle it, IMO.

I like to watch the best in the world fight, regardless of how the fight looks, but if every fight was a Jon Fitch or Matt Riddle style fight, my interest in the sport would quickly drop to zero.

Jasen777 · Post #1296 » by **Jasen777** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 3:49 am

CPT wrote:If there is a demand for sport/competition over entertainment, the market will settle it, IMO.

I don't think there is (at least enough of one), it's just what I would prefer. Riddle is obviously not the ideal spokesman...

REDDzone · Post #1297 » by **REDDzone** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 4:14 am

Jasen777 wrote:
CPT wrote:If there is a demand for sport/competition over entertainment, the market will settle it, IMO.

I don't think there is (at least enough of one), it's just what I would prefer. .

Agree. A lot of mma fans are transplants from wwe, and it shows, unfortunately.

GetBuLLish · Post #1298 » by **GetBuLLish** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 6:37 am

Isn't Riddle a brawler? Or did that change recently?

Post #1299 » by **CPT** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 11:05 am

Is it such a bad thing to want your entertainment to be entertaining?

I'm not talking about just bleed, boo as soon as the fight hits the floor kinds of fans. They should be watching boxing or kickboxing, because that's what they want to see. That's their own fault.

But there are plenty of people who watch enough to know about the ground game, appreciate it, and still don't want to see fights where one fighter's strategy/path to victory is control.

REDDzone · Post #1300 » by **REDDzone** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 1:44 pm

I agree, and there are fans who don't want to see fighters whose path to victory is moving forward and missing every punch they throw a la Leonard Garcia. You agree with that? But that type of fighter is coveted and protected by the ufc while the other type is apparently spurned. Wouldn't the most objective way to do it be to just keep the best fighters in that situation?

Not to mention, on the heels of these new releases, we have a record for most decisions on a card. Coincidence? People are fighting for their jobs now. This will backfire.

If it were me, I'd minimize the "points scored" for takedowns and sitting in top guard. Then the lay and prayers would be done for. Because owning a dude in top mount or side control a la Kim is not laying and praying. If people are booing in that situation, boo the guy who can't escape the dominant position.