Non-threadworthy MMA Rumors/Quotes/Tweets/Etc., Vol. 5

Jasen777 · Post #1321 » by **Jasen777** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:39 pm

Dupp wrote:Sure if he fights forever ( he won’t he’ll retire early) he can and will be beaten. But as he is now there’s no one that can beat him in that division. Hopefully he fights Justin and tony to put this kind of talk to rest.

We don't know that no one can beat him...

Dupp · Post #1322 » by **Dupp** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:02 pm

Jasen777 wrote:
Dupp wrote:Sure if he fights forever ( he won’t he’ll retire early) he can and will be beaten. But as he is now there’s no one that can beat him in that division. Hopefully he fights Justin and tony to put this kind of talk to rest.

We don't know that no one can beat him...

Of course not. But the recent past now he’s reached his best he hasn’t looked beatable. He’s been so dominate. Like I said I want to see him fight Justin at the very least. If he dominates him and another high level opponent that’ll do wonders for his legacy.

I don’t think Justin can win but it’s all speculation until they actually fight.

Post #1323 » by **Headliner** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:38 am

I think Justin would take him. Khabib has been gifted with a silva like build up in that he never had to fight guys that counter his style. Justin G presents one of those problems, his stand up is great and far superior to khabibs, and his wrestling is very good, but not as good as Khabibs. He also knows Khabibs style very well, and won’t let Khabib back him into the cage, which is where Khabibs advantages are.
It’s been easy for Khabib to just push guys into the cage with brute strength, or have them backtrack towards it, because he’s facing non wrestlers. He won’t be able to do that as easily with JG imo. Justin won’t be afraid of the pressure and be more offensive, which Khabib is uncomfortable with. Khabib doesn’t take people down in the Center of the cage as much as he does against the cage, JG knows that and will try to stay there, counter wrestle and not backtrack like the non wrestlers have to do to try and keep standing.

cowboyronnie · Post #1324 » by **cowboyronnie** » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:44 pm

By the same token, JG has never faced a wrestler. Not even in the PFL. Everyone at 170 is a striker (gone are the days of GSP, Hughes, Fitch, Kos, etc.). He has admitted that he hates wrestling in fights because of the particular tax it places on cardio, he has outright said it's his worst fear - getting drained by a wrestler- he's scared of it.

JG has had his ass kicked

REDDzone · Post #1325 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:49 am

Buchecha is entering MMA. Honestly surprised by this one. There were rumors back when he was 24-25, but he's on the wrong end of 30 now and post a bad knee injury. IDK how this ends up going.

WITH THAT SAID, dude will be the most explosive athlete to ever cross over from BJJ to MMA. Yes, including prime Jacare. I'm not sure it's even close tbh.

Pretty sure he has 13 Mundials gold medals and 2 ADCC golds.

Post #1326 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:30 am

REDDzone wrote:Buchecha is entering MMA. Honestly surprised by this one. There were rumors back when he was 24-25, but he's on the wrong end of 30 now and post a bad knee injury. IDK how this ends up going.

WITH THAT SAID, dude will be the most explosive athlete to ever cross over from BJJ to MMA. Yes, including prime Jacare. I'm not sure it's even close tbh.

Pretty sure he has 13 Mundials gold medals and 2 ADCC golds.

Lets see if he can pull a DC. I believe DC was 29 when he officially started training and 30 when he made his debut. His size, strength, explosion and unseen level of grappling for the HW division should hold him over for quite some time. The complete lack of skill at the HW division is eye opening, I think he can step right in and rise up the rankings pretty damn quick.

If Im Dana I just say screw it and pick him up, or at minimum put him on the Contender series then sign him officially after that. The UFC could market the hell out of this dude, treat him like the grappling version of Francis. A 6'3 super jacked athlete that just strikes fear in everyone's eyes.

Side note to this, I have the same question with him as I do Gordon Ryan. Is he going to pass a drug test haha.

REDDzone · Post #1327 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:31 am

Duke4life831 wrote:Lets see if he can pull a DC. I believe DC was 29 when he officially started training and 30 when he made his debut. His size, strength, explosion and unseen level of grappling for the HW division should hold him over for quite some time. The complete lack of skill at the HW division is eye opening, I think he can step right in and rise up the rankings pretty damn quick.

If Im Dana I just say screw it and pick him up, or at minimum put him on the Contender series then sign him officially after that. The UFC could market the hell out of this dude, treat him like the grappling version of Francis. A 6'3 super jacked athlete that just strikes fear in everyone's eyes.

Side note to this, I have the same question with him as I do Gordon Ryan. Is he going to pass a drug test haha.

Well, Gordon is about as openly on the roids as you get. (Although I'd almost never be surprised about a bjj dude, especially a Brazilian bjj dude, being on the juice).

I'll disagree with you a little on some things I guess. Buchecha is NOT Rodolfo or Galvao. "Buchecha" actually means 'chubby cheeks' and was a nickname given to him to rib him from my understanding. Sure he's in shape, but you won't find pics of him with his six pack having a six pack like those other guys. Ngannou is a different level of fitness. With that said, Buchecha has NEXT LEVEL explosiveness, at least on the ground. He's infamous for kind of lolly gagging through the first 3/4 of a match then exploding his way to victory at the end. My theory is that he has been board in gi BJJ. He definitely doesn't need the money. I'm not sure why else he'd even bother with this at his age tbh.

This is in the weeds but f*ck it, when he fought Gordon at ADCC, there was a point when Gordon swept and Buchecha went to x-guard. Gordon passed by backstepping out and ended passed Buchecha's guard with his knee on Buchecha's chest basically. Now, Gordon is ~215 pounds at this point but Buchecha just did a get up and literally flung Gordon off him so hard that he literally created back exposure and could have potentially taken Gordon's back. Even Gordon, who isn't really quick to compliment anyone else for any reason ever, was marveling at Buchecha's sheer explosiveness in that exchange.

REDDzone · Post #1328 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:35 am

Buchecha's physique (on the left) is a dime a dozen in Russian MMA fighters (impressive, but not impossible lol):

Post #1329 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:04 am

REDDzone wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Lets see if he can pull a DC. I believe DC was 29 when he officially started training and 30 when he made his debut. His size, strength, explosion and unseen level of grappling for the HW division should hold him over for quite some time. The complete lack of skill at the HW division is eye opening, I think he can step right in and rise up the rankings pretty damn quick.

If Im Dana I just say screw it and pick him up, or at minimum put him on the Contender series then sign him officially after that. The UFC could market the hell out of this dude, treat him like the grappling version of Francis. A 6'3 super jacked athlete that just strikes fear in everyone's eyes.

Side note to this, I have the same question with him as I do Gordon Ryan. Is he going to pass a drug test haha.

Well, Gordon is about as openly on the roids as you get. (Although I'd almost never be surprised about a bjj dude, especially a Brazilian bjj dude, being on the juice).

I'll disagree with you a little on some things I guess. Buchecha is NOT Rodolfo or Galvao. "Buchecha" actually means 'chubby cheeks' and was a nickname given to him to rib him from my understanding. Sure he's in shape, but you won't find pics of him with his six pack having a six pack like those other guys. Ngannou is a different level of fitness. With that said, Buchecha has NEXT LEVEL explosiveness, at least on the ground. He's infamous for kind of lolly gagging through the first 3/4 of a match then exploding his way to victory at the end. My theory is that he has been board in gi BJJ. He definitely doesn't need the money. I'm not sure why else he'd even bother with this at his age tbh.

This is in the weeds but f*ck it, when he fought Gordon at ADCC, there was a point when Gordon swept and Buchecha went to x-guard. Gordon passed by backstepping out and ended passed Buchecha's guard with his knee on Buchecha's chest basically. Now, Gordon is ~215 pounds at this point but Buchecha just did a get up and literally flung Gordon off him so hard that he literally created back exposure and could have potentially taken Gordon's back. Even Gordon, who isn't really quick to compliment anyone else for any reason ever, was marveling at Buchecha's sheer explosiveness in that exchange.

Ya he's not on level of Francis (or of course Mike Perry), but he is still a pretty jacked 230-240. Plus that comment was really more towards any high level bigger BJJ guys, juice seems to be pretty common with those big dudes in BJJ.

Ya the Ryan vs Buchecha match at ADCC was the first live match I watched of his. I remember the situation you're talking about. It was right after Ryan hit that butterfly sweep that he is so good at.

On another side note, I still hope Ryan chooses to come to MMA. He would be a straight up terror at 205. Just like I think Buchecha will be able to climb up the ranks in HW pretty damn quick. He may get caught once, but HW outside of the top 4-5 guys is a joke. He really wont match up with anyone that is a real threat for at least the first couple years.

REDDzone · Post #1330 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:20 pm

^^ I'm not sure I believe he's a true 205er tbh. He lifts hard and is still only ~215 or so walking around.

Dupp · Post #1331 » by **Dupp** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:54 am

Chimaev Probably gonna fight again at 252. This dude is a robot

Post #1332 » by **Headliner** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:45 am

Dupp wrote:Chimaev Probably gonna fight again at 252. This dude is a robot

If he does and wins he’s going to be pushed so hard.
Dana is going to melt down with love, that’s his favorite type of fighter.

REDDzone · Post #1333 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:53 pm

Headliner wrote:I think Justin would take him.

We will find out in October.

Dupp · Post #1334 » by **Dupp** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:08 pm

Yep on The 24th. Better late than never.

lobosloboslobos · Post #1335 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:16 pm

Dana White just said that after the Gaethje fight if Khabib wanted to fight GSP he would be ready to do it. (If it were Khabib's final fight. Supposedly his trainer said Khabib intends to retire 30-0)

REDDzone · Post #1336 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:44 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:Dana White just said that after the Gaethje fight if Khabib wanted to fight GSP he would be ready to do it. (If it were Khabib's final fight. Supposedly his trainer said Khabib intends to retire 30-0)

GSP will be 40 by then and will not have fought in almost 4 years (and will have had only one single fight in the last 8 years).

Are they just waiting GSP out? Khabib is 31 right now. There WILL be a time when Khabib is better than GSP, for sure, given that he's a decade younger. This reminds me of how they tried to (literally) starve Cyborg out of the fight with Ronda.

Dupp · Post #1337 » by **Dupp** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:18 pm

In other news white says he wants to do volk vs max 3. I really think max won that fight but that is just a dumb idea. Volk is 2-0 it’s time to give some other guys a chance. Maybe down the road but doing it next would suck. Alex has earnt his right to fight other guys.

There’s no way if those fights played out Exactly the same but the judges gave it to max we’d be talking about a third fight.

REDDzone wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:Dana White just said that after the Gaethje fight if Khabib wanted to fight GSP he would be ready to do it. (If it were Khabib's final fight. Supposedly his trainer said Khabib intends to retire 30-0)

GSP will be 40 by then and will not have fought in almost 4 years (and will have had only one single fight in the last 8 years).

Are they just waiting GSP out? Khabib is 31 right now. There WILL be a time when Khabib is better than GSP, for sure, given that he's a decade younger. This reminds me of how they tried to (literally) starve Cyborg out of the fight with Ronda.

You’re right that it’s probably too late for this fight to happen. It is a fight gsp did want and has talked about though so I guess that’s why he’s talking about it.

Post #1338 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:12 am

Damn, didn't realise GSP is almost 40. Helps that he looks damn near ageless

Post #1339 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:59 am

Ya don't really care to see a 40 year old GSP vs Khabib. That fight needed to happen a couple years ago.

Plus by mid summer next year, Khamzat might be 20-0 with that dude fighting every other week. In all seriousness though, if he shows he can keep doing what he did his first two fights against higher level dudes. That fight would be more interesting than a 40 year old GSP.

aggerrard · Post #1340 » by **aggerrard** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:34 am

Dupp wrote:Chimaev Probably gonna fight again at 252. This dude is a robot

Fights at 185 at 252 as a start to his camp for a 170lb showdown as a co-main 14 days later. :lol: