UFC 132 (July 2, 2011)

REDDzone · Post #141 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 3:26 am

49-46, 48-47 at worst, glad Cruz won, very talented and deserved a defense and to avenge his loss.

That said, hope Faber bounces back, would be weird if he never is ufc champ.

Gold Chain · Post #142 » by **Gold Chain** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 3:38 am

Best card of the year imo, wow.

Post #143 » by **pduh01** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 3:44 am

Alright here is my take from the fights I saw on the pay per view:

Condit Vs Kim

-Condit continue to be well awesome that was a good flying knee I already see few of his fight and he been very impressive everytime I see him fight. I agree have him fight GSP or I do not mind see him fight say Nick Diaz.

Ortiz Vs Bader

-Nice bounce back I should say finally Tito Ortiz got a win that was a nice punch which I thought that got Bader off guard and then with a nice guillotine.

NOTE: Two quick first round fights but some nice shots here and there.

Denis Siver vs. Matt Wiman

-I thought this was a good fight and a very close call but I do think Winman should win this one.

Wanderlei Silva vs. Chris Leben

-A big win from Chris Leben I thought this fight will go to distance and be a sluggest fight while it was sluggest for a short while but didn't last long. Nice win from Lebron

Cruz Vs Faber

-Now that was a fun, exciting, and a great fight! While I enjoyed the fight I glad Cruz won which I think he deserve the win which is the right decision but great & fun fight!

Posey H8er · Post #144 » by **Posey H8er** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 4:00 am

missed the fights tonight, but what a crappy night when tito wins and wandy loses... lots of ko's though. wow. i need to see cruz vs faber asap because everyone is saying it was exciting and some are saying the decision was controversial.

Banco · Post #145 » by **Banco** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 4:22 am

Posey H8er wrote:missed the fights tonight, but what a crappy night when tito wins and wandy loses... lots of ko's though. wow. i need to see cruz vs faber asap because everyone is saying it was exciting and some are saying the decision was controversial.

the only controversy was if Cruz should have won 5 rounds or not. Dude CLEARLY won the fight.

Cammo101 · Post #146 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 4:23 am

This was the best card in recent memory. Leben, Condit, and Cruz all had star making performances and Tito winning was pretty cool as well. I hate Tito as much as the next guy, but you still had to feel good for him.

I actually scored the main event 47-46 for Faber, but I totally understand why people would score it for Cruz. I gave Faber the 1st, 3rd, and 4th rounds. The slight standup advantage Cruz had was IMO made up for by Faber flooring him in all 3 of those rounds. The only thing I am sure of from that fight is that anyone scoring it 50-45 is blind.

Up next for all involved should be...

Guillard vs. Guida
Roller vs. Michael Johnson
Sotiropoulos vs. Dunham
Dos Anjos vs. Cerrone
Siver vs. Stout
Wiman vs. Jeremy Stephens
Condit vs. Fitch (for #1 contender spot)
Stun Gun vs. Charlie Brenneman
Bader vs. Matyushenko
Ortiz vs. Franklin/Lil Nog winner
Leben vs. Belfort (if he gets by Sexyama)
Wanderlei vs. Sonnen
Cruz vs. Faber 3
Faber vs. Cruz 3

Cammo101 · Post #147 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 4:24 am

Banco wrote:
Posey H8er wrote:missed the fights tonight, but what a crappy night when tito wins and wandy loses... lots of ko's though. wow. i need to see cruz vs faber asap because everyone is saying it was exciting and some are saying the decision was controversial.

the only controversy was if Cruz should have won 5 rounds or not. Dude CLEARLY won the fight.

Faber knocked Cruz down 4 times in the first 4 rounds. Those acting like Cruz rolled Faber were watching a very different fight than I was.

Banco · Post #148 » by **Banco** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 5:12 am

Cruz beat him on everything in this fight statistically except knockdowns. More strikes landed, more takedowns and better strike percentage and in my opinion controlled where the fight took place and the pace of the fight. But like I said that's my opinion and you know what they say about opinions...

Cammo101 · Post #149 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 5:23 am

Banco wrote:Cruz beat him on everything in this fight statistically except knockdowns. More strikes landed, more takedowns and better strike percentage and in my opinion controlled where the fight took place and the pace of the fight. But like I said that's my opinion and you know what they say about opinions...

But, Cruz is essentially point fighting and this is not Olympic boxing. Damage matters and Faber did pretty much all of it. Also, the vast majority of Cruz's takedowns were in the 5th round, which I think everyone agrees that he won.

I scored it 47-46 Faber, but I can easily see the fight for Cruz. The only thing I am sure of is that it was a very close fight and any judge scoring it 50-45 should be fired.

Post #150 » by **spykelee** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 5:25 am

Faber knocked him down those 4 times, sure.

For me though, Cruz dominated the fight by and large. Periodically, Faber would get a big shot in but they where mostly one off's. I felt the combo's that Cruz continually landed, and the pace and action that he set where much more signifigant than Faber landing 1 big shot here and there. I don't even think it was that close. Double Faber's big shots and knockdowns each round, and I could maybe agree that there's a controversy.

Cammo101 · Post #151 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 6:08 am

spykelee wrote:Faber knocked him down those 4 times, sure.

For me though, Cruz dominated the fight by and large. Periodically, Faber would get a big shot in but they where mostly one off's. I felt the combo's that Cruz continually landed, and the pace and action that he set where much more signifigant than Faber landing 1 big shot here and there. I don't even think it was that close. Double Faber's big shots and knockdowns each round, and I could maybe agree that there's a controversy.

Getting a knockdown is (supposed to be) a big event in a round. It is usually hard for a guy to come back and win a round after being knocked down. I don't see that Cruz getting slightly the better of the stand up makes up for Faber being the only one inflicting damage. Though I can see why people see it the other way.

I'd venture to say that there has probably never been a fight in MMA history where a guy knocked his opponent down 4 times and lost the fight 50-45. It is even crazier to think about when you add to that that Faber was never hurt in the fight and rarely taken down until the 5th round.

Post #152 » by **spykelee** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 6:32 am

Cammo101 wrote:
Getting a knockdown is (supposed to be) a big event in a round. It is usually hard for a guy to come back and win a round after being knocked down. I don't see that Cruz getting slightly the better of the stand up makes up for Faber being the only one inflicting damage. Though I can see why people see it the other way.

I'd venture to say that there has probably never been a fight in MMA history where a guy knocked his opponent down 4 times and lost the fight 50-45. It is even crazier to think about when you add to that that Faber was never hurt in the fight and rarely taken down until the 5th round.

I don't think that Cruz only got "slightly" better of the stand up. I'd say that Cruz by and large outclassed Faber with the stand up. 50-45 is ridiculous though, I can agree with you there. I had the 4th going to Faber, and possibly the 5th... If we factor in the damage in which your speaking, than it also applies to the knockdowns though. I can only recall 1 knockdown in that fight where Cruz was perhaps a little more than momentarily stunned. Like I said, for me, with how those knockdowns where, and with how the rest of the fight went, Faber would have needed to double up on them for me to see him winning it.

Mike Hunt · Post #153 » by **Mike Hunt** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 11:44 am

Cammo101 wrote:This was the best card in recent memory. Leben, Condit, and Cruz all had star making performances and Tito winning was pretty cool as well. I hate Tito as much as the next guy, but you still had to feel good for him.

I actually scored the main event 47-46 for Faber, but I totally understand why people would score it for Cruz. I gave Faber the 1st, 3rd, and 4th rounds. The slight standup advantage Cruz had was IMO made up for by Faber flooring him in all 3 of those rounds. The only thing I am sure of from that fight is that anyone scoring it 50-45 is blind.

Up next for all involved should be...

Guillard vs. Guida
Roller vs. Michael Johnson
Sotiropoulos vs. Dunham
Dos Anjos vs. Cerrone
Siver vs. Stout
Wiman vs. Jeremy Stephens
Condit vs. Fitch (for #1 contender spot)
Stun Gun vs. Charlie Brenneman
Bader vs. Matyushenko
Ortiz vs. Franklin/Lil Nog winner
Leben vs. Belfort (if he gets by Sexyama)
Wanderlei vs. Sonnen
Cruz vs. Faber 3
Faber vs. Cruz 3

Those all sound pretty decent to me except if I had my wish, it would be Wanderlei vs. a moderately challenging puzzle on his dining room table.

I didn't actually see the fights but I'm most impressed with the Tito Ortiz result. One thing that I find people have been discounting is his comeback performance against Forrest Griffin. I had Tito winning that fight(barely). Griffin ended up winning a split decision. Heading into the fight, the odds certainly weren't making it that close a fight. Had he been given that decision, I'm not sure people would be expecting him to be the "wash-up" that they do now. It's not like his previous fightss were easy either (i.e., Machida, Evans).

Posey H8er · Post #154 » by **Posey H8er** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 1:04 pm

lyoto machida is waiting for a fight. the ufc should do tito vs machida 2 since tito nearly won by submission in that one and it's a step up from bader. machida will show tito where his place really is in the division.

Post #155 » by **CPT** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 3:11 pm

Excellent show.

Finally got to watch the Facebook prelims before finding out the results, which was nice. Not a whole lot to say about them though. Njokuani looked good; Winner is hard to figure out. Those two no name guys had a pretty good scrap to start things off. Simpson and Bowles were not very impressive in their wins.

Guillard looked very good; he should get a contender in his next fight. You could argue that he deserved one in this fight. If they will fight, Guida would make sense. If they won't, the Miller/Bendo winner would be good if they aren't giving the winner a title shot right away.

Dos Anjos' KO was nasty. Woulda been KO of the night on a lot of events. G-Sot heads to Facebook status I guess. Pretty crazy that he was being talked about for a title shot not too long ago.

Condit's KO was awesome. I figured it would be a close fight, and I thought Kim would be able to neutralize Condit in at least 2 of the 3 rounds and take a decision, but Condit lately has been looking like a true contender. Don't know if the timing will work out for him to fight GSP after Diaz without taking another fight, but he deserves it. I'd hate to see him smothered by Fitch or Shields before he gets a chance. A rematch with Ellenberger could make sense (if Ellenberger beats Shields), but I'm not sure Condit's people allow him to take that fight.

Tito Ortiz **** everything up. I usually don't do parlays in MMA, but I figured this was the lock of all locks, and it was basically free money. I have no idea what is next for either guy. Ortiz can't really fight anybody who isn't a big name, and Bader all of a sudden has lost 2 in a row. Have always kind of wanted to see Rampage vs. Ortiz (though my interest in that has declined considerably in the past few years), and Bader vs. Hamill might make some sense, unless they give him Vladdy or something.

Siver vs. Wiman was pretty good. Tough to call, but I don't think it was a bad decision. A little weird that all of the judges scored it the same way, but I didn't think round 1 was close at all (dunno WTF Rogan was talking about re: stealing the round by being on top). Round 2 could have been 10-8, and maybe should have been, making this fight a draw, which I feel like would be a more reasonable outcome. I still wouldn't mind seeing Siver vs. Pettis, but maybe they even do Wiman vs. Pettis with both coming off losses. Or maybe Pettis hasn't quite fallen that far?

Leben vs. Wandy was disappointing, in that it wasn't longer, and that Chris friggin Leben might have ended the career of Wanderlei Silva. That being said, this was the easiest fight to call on the card, and would have been easy money if I didn't decide Bader over Ortiz was even easier. I suppose there was a chance Leben was going to get blitzed a la Anderson Silva, but really, in a slugfest, can you go wrong picking the guy who hits harder and has a (significantly) better chin?

Cruz vs. Faber was excellent. Much closer than I thought it would be, but I'm glad the judges got it right. I thought Faber won the first round, but it might have been because he beat my expectations, and not necessarily Cruz. Other than that, I thought most of the rounds went to Cruz, with round 5 being the most decisive in the fight. I was a bit worried that Faber would get credit for the knockdowns, but I felt like most of them were a case of catching Cruz off balance as opposed to actually really hurting him. Cruz was landing cleaner shots and much more of them, and I'm glad the judges saw it the same way. Not really sure who is in line for a BW title shot. Only guy that comes to mind is Demetrious Johnson, and I'm not sure they are gonna make that fight right away. Benavidez is there, and arguably the best of the bunch, but he's lost to Cruz twice already. Maybe Bowles since they could play up the injury angle? I guess what I'm getting at, is I wouldn't be particularly surprised by a rematch with Faber. Nor would I really be against it, although if they play it up like a super controversial decision, it would kind of rub me the wrong way.

Post #156 » by **CPT** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 3:16 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Banco wrote:Cruz beat him on everything in this fight statistically except knockdowns. More strikes landed, more takedowns and better strike percentage and in my opinion controlled where the fight took place and the pace of the fight. But like I said that's my opinion and you know what they say about opinions...

But, Cruz is essentially point fighting and this is not Olympic boxing. Damage matters and Faber did pretty much all of it. Also, the vast majority of Cruz's takedowns were in the 5th round, which I think everyone agrees that he won.

I scored it 47-46 Faber, but I can easily see the fight for Cruz. The only thing I am sure of is that it was a very close fight and any judge scoring it 50-45 should be fired.

You said it yourself, this isn't boxing. A knockdown doesn't automatically win you the round. Not when it's one event in a 5 minute span, and a few of the knockdowns were closer to slips, IMO. Cruz was never in any danger (though to be fair, neither was Faber), and he was landing the cleaner shots and more of them. A 50-45 for the fight feels wrong, but I think if you look at each round, it might not be that out of line.

Post #157 » by **Shaazzam** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 4:40 pm

I had first and fourth for Faber.

High 5 · Post #158 » by **High 5** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 4:50 pm

I have a hard time getting into these bantamweight fights when I feel like they could punch each other days without finishing.

REDDzone · Post #159 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 5:00 pm

Man what a great event.

Hard to watch Wanderlei get knocked out.

Condit is the best finisher in the sport possible.

Cruz/Faber was great, although Cruz won easily.

Tito is back! Felt bad for Bader, although I always prefer to see a finish and Bader wasn't finishing Tito regardless.

Siver/Wiman was close.

Post #160 » by **kdawg32086** » Sun Jul 3, 2011 5:57 pm

Cammo101 wrote:This was the best card in recent memory. Leben, Condit, and Cruz all had star making performances and Tito winning was pretty cool as well. I hate Tito as much as the next guy, but you still had to feel good for him.

I actually scored the main event 47-46 for Faber, but I totally understand why people would score it for Cruz. I gave Faber the 1st, 3rd, and 4th rounds. The slight standup advantage Cruz had was IMO made up for by Faber flooring him in all 3 of those rounds. The only thing I am sure of from that fight is that anyone scoring it 50-45 is blind.

Up next for all involved should be...

Guillard vs. Guida
Roller vs. Michael Johnson
Sotiropoulos vs. Dunham
Dos Anjos vs. Cerrone
Siver vs. Stout
Wiman vs. Jeremy Stephens
Condit vs. Fitch (for #1 contender spot)
Stun Gun vs. Charlie Brenneman
Bader vs. Matyushenko
Ortiz vs. Franklin/Lil Nog winner
Leben vs. Belfort (if he gets by Sexyama)
Wanderlei vs. Sonnen
Cruz vs. Faber 3
Faber vs. Cruz 3

I like most of those, although I think Belfort might be a bit too much for Leben and Wanderlei needs to retire. With Roller, if the UFC wants to keep the unwarranted hype train of Team Takedown going, they need to give him a ridiculously bad opponent. Hendricks is the only guy on that fight team who even remotely deserves to be fighting at this level.