Boxing Thread 5

[rockmanslim]

Davis' counter left is like a damn cobra, my goodness

[Bostondave]

Garcia was stronger, but Davis was cagier I think. Body shot got it for Davis. I liked this fight.

[Papi_swav]

It's levels to this, Gervonta is just the top dawg right now. Good fight tho, Garcia was starting to bring it before he got KO. I think Shakur Stevenson is the only guy that will give Gervonta trouble in the division. Maybe Haney too but Haney seems too big for this division IMO.

[rockmanslim]

Just occurred to me, that body shot was the modern day equivalent of De La Hoya-Hopkins.

[NO-KG-AI]

Where does Davis punching power(pound4pound) stack up all time? Every time I've watched him, it looks ferocious for a dude that size. So crisp, fast, and explosive. How many weight classes is he punching up, so to speak?

I don't think Davis's punching power is that spectacular. The only decent guy that Davis knocked out cold was Leo Santa Cruz, who's a much smaller man than Davis. Leo Santa Cruz started his career at 115, hit his peak at 122, and fought Gervonta Davis at 130, where Cruz got knocked out cold. Outside of Cruz, Davis have knocked out bigger opponents but it wasn't in spectacular fashion.

I actually think just on power alone, Ryan Garcia has more power. Davis' advantage is on skill and boxing IQ and experience.

Idk man, I judge power more based on how much guys can generate on seemingly normal punches, or punches without a big windup or load up. I guess his speed and technique is just so crisp that everything seems like it's got so much snap and crackle on it. He's a special puncher IMO, but I'm also not a pure boxing fanatic.

[BlackThought]

Where does Davis punching power(pound4pound) stack up all time? Every time I've watched him, it looks ferocious for a dude that size. So crisp, fast, and explosive. How many weight classes is he punching up, so to speak?

I don't think Davis's punching power is that spectacular. The only decent guy that Davis knocked out cold was Leo Santa Cruz, who's a much smaller man than Davis. Leo Santa Cruz started his career at 115, hit his peak at 122, and fought Gervonta Davis at 130, where Cruz got knocked out cold. Outside of Cruz, Davis have knocked out bigger opponents but it wasn't in spectacular fashion.

I actually think just on power alone, Ryan Garcia has more power. Davis' advantage is on skill and boxing IQ and experience.

Idk man, I judge power more based on how much guys can generate on seemingly normal punches, or punches without a big windup or load up. I guess his speed and technique is just so crisp that everything seems like it's got so much snap and crackle on it. He's a special puncher IMO, but I'm also not a pure boxing fanatic.

Don't get me wrong, Tank has good power, definitely one of the strongest one at the division currently. But when you talk about ranking him all time, I don't think his power is up there.

[BlackThought]

The thing that impressed me the most is the skill difference between the two. Garcia wasn't able to land anything clean for 6 rounds and did not bother Davis at all.

Hopefully Tank goes on to fight all the top guys at 135. I want to see him against Shakur, Haney, Loma, Zepeda, all those guys. I also think this loss will make Garcia into a better fighter. He can go on to 140 and continue his career there.

[cowboyronnie]

It was hard to tell what Tank's reaction to some of those flurries from Garcia was. Holding could mean anything. But generally he looked in complete control. A different calibre.

He's so crafty. That left hook wasn't gonna do anything. Tank was able to hide behind his shoulder.

Hopefully this means Tank starts to challenge himself. Other than Garcia, he's had a really pathetic strength of schedule. Played it super safe. I doubt he takes Haney next.

[cowboyronnie]

$100+ million ppv, $22 million gate. A 24yo and a 28yo.

Boxing is dead you say

[Knickfan1982]

$100+ million ppv, $22 million gate. A 24yo and a 28yo.

Boxing is dead you say

It goes to show the boxing world....you give people the fights they want to see and they will buy it. Yet they keep feeding us dog poop.

[Butch718]

$100+ million ppv, $22 million gate. A 24yo and a 28yo.

Boxing is dead you say

A shame that egos and politics prevented Crawford/Spence from happening. That’s one ppv fight that I would actually pay for.

[Papi_swav]

$100+ million ppv, $22 million gate. A 24yo and a 28yo.

Boxing is dead you say

A shame that egos and politics prevented Crawford/Spence from happening. That’s one ppv fight that I would actually pay for.

the one fight that would of made super millions was Joshua vs Wilder years ago before they both lost, they would of been stupid rich but... boxing

[Papi_swav]

Rolly Romero is a disgrace, this was probably a worse performance than Berlanga . The ref did a horrible job and should of never stopped that fight.

[Butch718]

$100+ million ppv, $22 million gate. A 24yo and a 28yo.

Boxing is dead you say

A shame that egos and politics prevented Crawford/Spence from happening. That’s one ppv fight that I would actually pay for.

the one fight that would of made super millions was Joshua vs Wilder years ago before they both lost, they would of been stupid rich but... boxing

So many prime fights were robbed from fans due to egos and politics:

Prime Pac/Prime Money (fight should have been made after Manny beat Cotto)

Joshua/Wilder

Spence/Bud

Kovalev/Stevenson

Just to name a few.

[cowboyronnie]

Not a single person posted about Plant-Benevidez. An awesome fight that did actually happen. The response? Crickets.

But people are still complaining about the lack of Manny-Floyd, a fight that would have matter 15 years ago.

Move on. Enjoy the sport, which is about to hit a real historical high-point in the 126-140 divisions.

No one has mentioned Haney-Loma in 2 weeks, Teo-Taylor in 5 weeks, or Inoue-Fulton later this summer. Why not? You're so desperate for big fights. But ignore them when they actually happen?

[Knickfan1982]

Where does Davis punching power(pound4pound) stack up all time? Every time I've watched him, it looks ferocious for a dude that size. So crisp, fast, and explosive. How many weight classes is he punching up, so to speak?

I don't think Davis's punching power is that spectacular. The only decent guy that Davis knocked out cold was Leo Santa Cruz, who's a much smaller man than Davis. Leo Santa Cruz started his career at 115, hit his peak at 122, and fought Gervonta Davis at 130, where Cruz got knocked out cold. Outside of Cruz, Davis have knocked out bigger opponents but it wasn't in spectacular fashion.

I actually think just on power alone, Ryan Garcia has more power. Davis' advantage is on skill and boxing IQ and experience.

Idk man, I judge power more based on how much guys can generate on seemingly normal punches, or punches without a big windup or load up. I guess his speed and technique is just so crisp that everything seems like it's got so much snap and crackle on it. He's a special puncher IMO, but I'm also not a pure boxing fanatic.

I think its both. There are different kinds of power punchers. GGG doesn't actively throw one shot KO kind of punches but everything he throws hurts. Even his jabs are concussive. Deontay Wilder winds up for his bombs for miles away so theorhetically you should be able to see his shots coming. But all you have to do is lose focus one time...and that's all she wrote because when he connects....holy hell. I don't think anyone in the sport connects with the authority he does. For some guys their power isn't so much about windup or physicality but just really good timing and placement. The most impactful punches are the ones your opponent doesn't see coming. Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather Jr are those those kinds of guys. They didn't really knock people out (especially at the latter portions of their careers) but well timed and placed counter punches made their opponents extremely gun shy. They didn't want to open up because they knew they were going to get caught with something on the way back. Some guys like Manny Pacquio were insanely fast and could generate alot of power in short distances even when they threw a bunch of punches. I think Davis is something like a GGG and Hopkins/Mayweather kind of hybrid. It looks like everything he throws is naturally hard but he's really good at timing and placing his shots to make them count.

[Knickfan1982]

Not a single person posted about Plant-Benevidez. An awesome fight that did actually happen. The response? Crickets.

But people are still complaining about the lack of Manny-Floyd, a fight that would have matter 15 years ago.

Move on. Enjoy the sport, which is about to hit a real historical high-point in the 126-140 divisions.

No one has mentioned Haney-Loma in 2 weeks, Teo-Taylor in 5 weeks, or Inoue-Fulton later this summer. Why not? You're so desperate for big fights. But ignore them when they actually happen?

I think most people who come here are casual fans. There is a lot of conversations on boxing specific website forums. Though some of them are toxic as hell. Boxingscene has absolutely no moderation it seems. There are some racist and outright childish people there. Impossible to have a reasonable discussion there. Makes the Knicks forums look like an episode of Peppa Pig by comparison.

[BlackThought]

I don't think Davis's punching power is that spectacular. The only decent guy that Davis knocked out cold was Leo Santa Cruz, who's a much smaller man than Davis. Leo Santa Cruz started his career at 115, hit his peak at 122, and fought Gervonta Davis at 130, where Cruz got knocked out cold. Outside of Cruz, Davis have knocked out bigger opponents but it wasn't in spectacular fashion.

I actually think just on power alone, Ryan Garcia has more power. Davis' advantage is on skill and boxing IQ and experience.

Idk man, I judge power more based on how much guys can generate on seemingly normal punches, or punches without a big windup or load up. I guess his speed and technique is just so crisp that everything seems like it's got so much snap and crackle on it. He's a special puncher IMO, but I'm also not a pure boxing fanatic.

I think its both. There are different kinds of power punchers. GGG doesn't actively throw one shot KO kind of punches but everything he throws hurts. Even his jabs are concussive. Deontay Wilder winds up for his bombs for miles away so theorhetically you should be able to see his shots coming. But all you have to do is lose focus one time...and that's all she wrote because when he connects....holy hell. I don't think anyone in the sport connects with the authority he does. For some guys their power isn't so much about windup or physicality but just really good timing and placement. The most impactful punches are the ones your opponent doesn't see coming. Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather Jr are those those kinds of guys. They didn't really knock people out (especially at the latter portions of their careers) but well timed and placed counter punches made their opponents extremely gun shy. They didn't want to open up because they knew they were going to get caught with something on the way back. Some guys like Manny Pacquio were insanely fast and could generate alot of power in short distances even when they threw a bunch of punches. I think Davis is something like a GGG and Hopkins/Mayweather kind of hybrid. It looks like everything he throws is naturally hard but he's really good at timing and placing his shots to make them count.

I think there are two parts to this. One is having the power that overwhelms your opponent and the other is the technique to land that power. For Davis I think he has power but not overwhelming power. However Davis has incredible technique and timing where his opponent is constantly afraid of getting countered or getting into one of his traps. It's very similar to Bud Crawford. Crawford has good power but it's his technique that sets him apart. It's very apparant when you watch Bud and Spence fight Kell Brook. Spence's power broke Brook over time but Bud knocked him "out" out with a punch Brook didn't see.

I think there are some guys that have overwhelming power where you can clearly see the opponent's reaction when they felt it. Watch one of Inoue's fights and just look at the reaction after one of his body shots. GGG earlier on in his career also got that reaction. Beterbiev would be another guy like that. Pacquiao at lower weights had overwhelming power. Like when Pac fought Barrera and Morales at 126 that power clearly shocked both guys. But as Pac moved up it was more speed than brute strength.

[Butch718]

I had Loma winning 7-5. A draw would have been acceptable, but not a clear sweep in Haney’s favor.

I thought Loma swept the championship rounds, or at the very least won 3 out of the last 4, including a very clear 10th round which Moretti somehow scored for Haney.

Haney does not have the power or skills to beat Tank or Stevenson. Those two would beat him pretty convincingly IMO.

[Butch718]

I think most people who come here are casual fans. There is a lot of conversations on boxing specific website forums. Though some of them are toxic as hell. Boxingscene has absolutely no moderation it seems. There are some racist and outright childish people there. Impossible to have a reasonable discussion there. Makes the Knicks forums look like an episode of Peppa Pig by comparison.

Nah, most of the level headed posters don’t post anymore because not everyone has time to post on a forum these days.