Boxing Thread 4.0

[Tribe]

Wilder a bum, could barely beat a senior citizen

AJ would do him within 3 rounds

[Butch718]

Wilder's technique is extremely poor. His mobility and footwork are below average. That being said, I have to give him credit for surviving that round against Ortiz. It doesn't matter if he was being outboxed the majority of the fight. He's always going to be dangerous because of his game changing power. He proved that tonight.

Also, let's not get in twisted. Ortiz is a good heavy weight, but is nowhere near the level of passed his prime Klitschko. Based of what I saw the majority of this fight, Wilder would get his ass handed to him against Joshua. Joshua would have finished him off in that 7th round.

First things first though, AJ has to beat Parker before we can even discuss a potential bout between those two.

[GS Warriors 1]

All 3 judges had Wilder up 1 entering the 10th round. Wow, what a complete farce that would've been.

That said, entertaining fight. Definitely had a slow build up but once Ortiz got knocked down, he had no choice but to be aggressive. Credit Wilder for sticking through it in round 7, I thought he was done. He has the great equalizer even if he's doing poorly. Ortiz got caught in round 10 and there was no turning back. Yeah, I'll just say that I think Joshua beats the **** out of Parker. Parker is the weakest link of the 3 titlists. I don't even think Parker beat Andy Ruiz, who is decent but not a top tier HW.

Jose Uzcategui beat the hell out of Andre Dirrell. I mean, he kinda did it in their first fight too, so it wasn't a major surprise, but this was way more damaging.

Dmitry Bivol is a class fighter, Sullivan Barrera showed a lot of toughness but he really had no chance from the beginning. Love the way Bivol throws those combinations, sure I'd like to see him against Kovalev, but I think a match against the similarly skilled Oleksandr Gvozdyk would just as good.

[Papi_swav]

Crazy heavyweight fight, that fight and the crowd at Barclays was electric ! I thought Wilder was done in the 7th round and had him down by at least 2-3 points in that fight, but he over came adversity , hats off to him. Wilder was clearly exhausted , he couldn't even celebrate after he KO Ortiz. This was definitely the toughest opponent Wilder has faced I believe.

I understand why you guys think AJ will beat Wilder, but I think Wilder would win that one. AJ is a lot more technical than Wilder, but Wilder can change the fight with one punch and AJ chin has been tested, hes been knockdown before and almost lost that Kilitchsco fight. Wilder proved that he can take a shot and stay on his feet last night. Joshua also does not have great stamina, he gets tired after 5 rounds and his hands get real heavy and slow. Wilder has a decent jab but he couldnt use it against Ortiz because he is a south pole and he knew how to take Widler's jab out. I believe Wilders jab would be a lot more effective against AJ to set up for a KO punch.

[cowboyronnie]

Agree that Wilder is a travesty but he looked far more technical than he ever has before, I'll give him that.

[Butch718]

Crazy heavyweight fight, that fight and the crowd at Barclays was electric ! I thought Wilder was done in the 7th round and had him down by at least 2-3 points in that fight, but he over came adversity , hats off to him. Wilder was clearly exhausted , he couldn't even celebrate after he KO Ortiz. This was definitely the toughest opponent Wilder has faced I believe.

I understand why you guys think AJ will beat Wilder, but I think Wilder would win that one. AJ is a lot more technical than Wilder, but Wilder can change the fight with one punch and AJ chin has been tested, hes been knockdown before and almost lost that Kilitchsco fight. Wilder proved that he can take a shot and stay on his feet last night. Joshua also does not have great stamina, he gets tired after 5 rounds and his hands get real heavy and slow. Wilder has a decent jab but he couldnt use it against Ortiz because he is a south pole and he knew how to take Widler's jab out. I believe Wilders jab would be a lot more effective against AJ to set up for a KO punch.

AJ can also change a fight with one punch. Even though he was past his prime, Klitschko is still a much better fighter than Ortiz. It's not even debatable. AJ is a superior fighter to Ortiz in almost every way. He's younger, is in much better shape, he's a better boxer, has game changing power as well, is physically more imposing(6'6"), and has a longer reach.

You pointed out that AJ gasses out after 5 rounds, yet he came back to knock out Klitschko in the 11th. He was tested in that fight and proved that he could bounce back after a knock down. You do realize that Wilder isn't exactly known for his stamina right?

Wilder wasn't using his jab last night because he knew he was facing a fighter that could counter and end him in one shot. He wasn't facing a pushover in that ring. Sure he has that great equalizer to change the momentum of a fight, but technically he's not very good. Just look how wildly he swings when he throws those hooks, and how careless he gets when he starts lunging in. He leaves himself so wide open, that I can see AJ landing a punch similar to the uppercut he landed on Klitschko and ending the fight.

[Papi_swav]

Crazy heavyweight fight, that fight and the crowd at Barclays was electric ! I thought Wilder was done in the 7th round and had him down by at least 2-3 points in that fight, but he over came adversity , hats off to him. Wilder was clearly exhausted , he couldn't even celebrate after he KO Ortiz. This was definitely the toughest opponent Wilder has faced I believe.

I understand why you guys think AJ will beat Wilder, but I think Wilder would win that one. AJ is a lot more technical than Wilder, but Wilder can change the fight with one punch and AJ chin has been tested, hes been knockdown before and almost lost that Kilitchsco fight. Wilder proved that he can take a shot and stay on his feet last night. Joshua also does not have great stamina, he gets tired after 5 rounds and his hands get real heavy and slow. Wilder has a decent jab but he couldnt use it against Ortiz because he is a south pole and he knew how to take Widler's jab out. I believe Wilders jab would be a lot more effective against AJ to set up for a KO punch.

AJ can also change a fight with one punch. Even though he was past his prime, Klitschko is still a much better fighter than Ortiz. It's not even debatable. AJ is a superior fighter to Ortiz in almost every way. He's younger, is in much better shape, he's a better boxer, has game changing power as well, is physically more imposing(6'6"), and has a longer reach.

You pointed out that AJ gasses out after 5 rounds, yet he came back to knock out Klitschko in the 11th. He was tested in that fight and proved that he could bounce back after a knock down. You do realize that Wilder isn't exactly known for his stamina right?

Wilder wasn't using his jab last night because he knew he was facing a fighter that could counter and end him in one shot. He wasn't facing a pushover in that ring. Sure he has that great equalizer to change the momentum of a fight, but technically he's not very good. Just look how wildly he swings when he throws those hooks, and how careless he gets when he starts lunging in. He leaves himself so wide open, that I can see AJ landing a punch similar to the uppercut he landed on Klitschko and ending the fight.

I wouldn't say Klitschko is a much better fighter than Ortiz at this time, Klitscho is old and hugs too much, he fights scared alot. Ortiz has better hands than him right now. Klitscho is definitely a hall of famer but he's been washed up, that other fat heavy weight dude beat him , I forgot his name. AJ did prove himself that fight with Klitscho which is why this AJ and WIlder fight would be great to see, I just think Wilder would win.

I already established why Wilder jab wasn't working, but AJ isn't a southpaw and I can see Wilder connecting better jabs on him than Ortiz, which would set up for the KO punch. Wilder knew how to keep his distance with Ortiz, which is what he's going to try to do with AJ for the first few rounds. It's going to be one of the great fights either way, can't wait.

[CjayC]

I'd take Ortiz over that version of Klit. That Klit just wasn't that impressive and he was coming off a loss. Ortiz is extremely crafty coming out of the Cuban school, and he's a southpaw. He's a problem for anybody in that division.

Also lets not act like AJ is some master boxer that's gonna take away Wilder's right hand the whole night. He's good, but he's no wizard. Joshua's defense is pretty leaky and when pressed he has shown stamina issues, which plays right into Wilder's wheelhouse. If that was AJ Wilder would have gotten stopped true, but AJ would have gotten stopped if that was Wilder that knocked him down and not an old Klit. I'd favor AJ to outbox him 60/40, 65/35 something like that, but Wilder's power is definitely a game changer.

In other news CLENelo Alvarez

[Butch718]

Sorry, but that version of Klit was still better than Ortiz.

And AJ isn't a master boxer but he's light years better than Wilder in almost every single department except for power.

Also, Linares and Loma was made official today. I got Loma on points. He's not a big puncher to begin with, and I don't think he's going to improve his power by moving up in weight.

[cowboyronnie]

God damn, just watched the Holzken vs Smith fight. Nieky is the God damn man. This guy is a HOF kickboxer and able to do that against a top SMW in boxing. Incredible. On 5 days notice, for 36 minutes.

Obviously does not have the skills to deal with a jab like that (how can he be expected to?) but the fact that he persisted through that kind of punishment for 12 rounds is incredible. Pursued Smith right to the end and landed some serious shots.

[Butch718]

F*cking Canelo.

[CjayC]

Sorry, but that version of Klit was still better than Ortiz.

And AJ isn't a master boxer but he's light years better than Wilder in almost every single department except for power.

Also, Linares and Loma was made official today. I got Loma on points. He's not a big puncher to begin with, and I don't think he's going to improve his power by moving up in weight.

Based on what? I'll take the active old undefeated fighter that no one in the division wanted a part of over the inactive old fighter coming off a loss every single day. Klit WAS a beast, but you're only as good as your last showing and he looked way over the hill against Fury and then 2 years later AJ gets him.

And stamina is definitely advantage Wilder, which plays right into AJ having stamina issues. If this goes championship rounds that could be a huge factor. Wilder arguably has the best jab in the division too, which will ensure AJ doesn't completely box his face off IMO. AJ also has a real bad habit of backing up in a straight line, he got caught with several rights from Wlad because of it. He can do that against fighters with lesser reach, he'll have to show some kind of lateral movement against Wilder or he's gonna eat one of those right hands.

[cowboyronnie]

Huh. LV did the right thing, despite Golden Boy's lobbying and a huge influx of money coming in if it continued.

[Butch718]

Sorry, but that version of Klit was still better than Ortiz.

And AJ isn't a master boxer but he's light years better than Wilder in almost every single department except for power.

Also, Linares and Loma was made official today. I got Loma on points. He's not a big puncher to begin with, and I don't think he's going to improve his power by moving up in weight.

Based on what? I'll take the active old undefeated fighter that no one in the division wanted a part of over the inactive old fighter coming off a loss every single day. Klit WAS a beast, but you're only as good as your last showing and he looked way over the hill against Fury and then 2 years later AJ gets him.

And stamina is definitely advantage Wilder, which plays right into AJ having stamina issues. If this goes championship rounds that could be a huge factor. Wilder arguably has the best jab in the division too, which will ensure AJ doesn't completely box his face off IMO. AJ also has a real bad habit of backing up in a straight line, he got caught with several rights from Wlad because of it. He can do that against fighters with lesser reach, he'll have to show some kind of lateral movement against Wilder or he's gonna eat one of those right hands.

Wilder has barely gone deep into any of his fights, and barely survived against Ortiz. He even got the benefit of getting extra time to recover from the ref in round 8(?) following that beating he took in round 7(?). But all of a sudden his stamina is better than AJ's? And if his jab is so great, why didn't he use it more against Ortiz in the earlier part of their fight? Please don't tell me it's because he was a southpaw with an awkward style. He was pretty timid for most of the fight because he didn't want to open himself up to counters against a guy that could actually knock him out. He's not all of a sudden going to be more aggressive towards AJ unless he hurts him with one of his hooks in the process. The thing with Wilder is that when he does throw it leaves him open. If AJ lands one of his upper cuts, it's over.

The only reason Wilder has a shot, it because of his game changing power. But other than that he does nothing else better than AJ. Just my opinion, and I still feel this way even after the Parker fight in which he didn't look that great.

[Butch718]

Hurd/Lara was a very good fight. Lara couldn't seriously hurt Hurd, and the accumulation of punches eventually took its toll on him. That hook her hurt him with was due to Lara not being able to see it coming. The swelling by his eye caused him a lot of problems in the last couple of rounds.

Hurd reminds me a bit of Margarito. He's just a fighter that wears opponent's down, and doesn't mind eating shots in the process. I would love to see him against Charlo.

[GS Warriors 1]

Late, but I'll say that I thought Hurd clearly won. Not sure what fight Farhood and one of the judges were watching, clear effective aggression from Hurd won him that fight. I think he beats Jermell Charlo.

[Rich Rane]

That GGG KO looked clean to me.

[Jasen777]

Well. I'm a little late here...

Vanes Martirosyan to be cornered by “the worst coach in MMA”

[cowboyronnie]

Well. I'm a little late here...

Vanes Martirosyan to be cornered by “the worst coach in MMA”

There's no substance at all to that article. It's just a railroad by MMA fans, based on the fall of a single MMA fighter. Martirosyan is a well-pedigreed boxer, who boxed in the U.S. Olympic program, and who has had dozens of coaches, he can certainly distinguish boxing coaches better than any ass**** writing on an MMA blog.

Also, LOL, they support as evidence a random comparison of 6 minutes of Freddie Roach holding pads to a random 6 minutes of Edmund. In no way are the coaches doing the same drill or working on the same thing, it's completely meaningless.

[Rich Rane]

Wow, I didn't even catch Lomachenko's liver shot live. I had to wait for the replay.