World Series of Fighting Thread

[REDDzone]

Boy did that ever have the makings of an absolute mess. WSOF + Steve Mazagatti + Palhares was just a recipe for disaster. How does any commission give the worst ref in MMA a fight with that kind of potential for chaos? The WSOF got off pretty light here, because they were pretty close to having a full blown riot in the cage tonight. The WSOF needs to fire Palhares on the spot (they won't) and the commission needs to come down hard here (they might).

I'm pretty much done with WSOF at this point. Their new CEO has his work cut out for him.

Nate Diaz and Khabib Nurmagomedov came to blows in the crowd. Nick was involved as well, but after the fact and only verbally. I saw tweets saying they were escorted away and that's why they weren't in the cage after. Can you even imagine if those guys were there after?

[REDDzone]

Also, Mazaggati didn't do a terrible job despite how bad he is in general. I did think it was funny pre fight when some mma media were saying that its too bad Herb was in Brazil because ideally he would be in the cage for a Palhares fight.

Pretty hilarious given how late and bad Herb's stoppages have been lately. Palhares would probably still be wrenching that sub if Herbie were in there.

[Cammo101]

Boy did that ever have the makings of an absolute mess. WSOF + Steve Mazagatti + Palhares was just a recipe for disaster. How does any commission give the worst ref in MMA a fight with that kind of potential for chaos? The WSOF got off pretty light here, because they were pretty close to having a full blown riot in the cage tonight. The WSOF needs to fire Palhares on the spot (they won't) and the commission needs to come down hard here (they might).

I'm pretty much done with WSOF at this point. Their new CEO has his work cut out for him.

Nate Diaz and Khabib Nurmagomedov came to blows in the crowd. Nick was involved as well, but after the fact and only verbally. I saw tweets saying they were escorted away and that's why they weren't in the cage after. Can you even imagine if those guys were there after?

I'm about done with the Diaz brothers too. Wake me up when one of them wins a fight post 2011. But yes, had they been there it could have gotten much uglier.

[Cammo101]

Also, Mazaggati didn't do a terrible job despite how bad he is in general. I did think it was funny pre fight when some mma media were saying that its too bad Herb was in Brazil because ideally he would be in the cage for a Palhares fight.

Pretty hilarious given how late and bad Herb's stoppages have been lately. Palhares would probably still be wrenching that sub if Herbie were in there.

I think Herb gets a bum rap. He ain't so bad. Mazagatti makes Herb look like a genius. At some point everyone needs to get on board with me on the fact that Marc Goddard is by far the best ref currently working in MMA.

[REDDzone]

Good call, have either won a fight since they all stomped Mayhem together on strikeforce?

[REDDzone]

Also, Mazaggati didn't do a terrible job despite how bad he is in general. I did think it was funny pre fight when some mma media were saying that its too bad Herb was in Brazil because ideally he would be in the cage for a Palhares fight.

Pretty hilarious given how late and bad Herb's stoppages have been lately. Palhares would probably still be wrenching that sub if Herbie were in there.

I think Herb gets a bum rap. He ain't so bad. Mazagatti makes Herb look like a genius. At some point everyone needs to get on board with me on the fact that Marc Goddard is by far the best ref currently working in MMA.

How does Herb get a bad rap when he is still mentioned as the "best ref in mma" by most people for some insane reason.

[Cammo101]

Good call, have either won a fight since they all stomped Mayhem together on strikeforce?

They are a combined 2-6 since 2011. Yet people still care about them for a reason I can't seem to figure out.

[Cammo101]

Also, Mazaggati didn't do a terrible job despite how bad he is in general. I did think it was funny pre fight when some mma media were saying that its too bad Herb was in Brazil because ideally he would be in the cage for a Palhares fight.

Pretty hilarious given how late and bad Herb's stoppages have been lately. Palhares would probably still be wrenching that sub if Herbie were in there.

I think Herb gets a bum rap. He ain't so bad. Mazagatti makes Herb look like a genius. At some point everyone needs to get on board with me on the fact that Marc Goddard is by far the best ref currently working in MMA.

How does Herb get a bad rap when he is still mentioned as the "best ref in mma" by most people for some insane reason.

I mean lately by this board. Most of the stoppages he's being killed for weren't that bad IMO. After Mark Goddard (god of MMA refs), there is just big clump of mostly pretty good refs (Beltran, Big John, Herzog, Yamasaki, Herb) and an even bigger clump of average to bad ones.

[REDDzone]

I mean lately by this board. Most of the stoppages he's being killed for weren't that bad IMO. After Mark Goddard (god of MMA refs), there is just big clump of mostly pretty good refs (Beltran, Big John, Herzog, Yamasaki, Herb) and an even bigger clump of average to bad ones.

We are WORLDS apart on this if you describe either Yamasucky as mostly pretty good.

And do you really not agree that Herb did a terrible job last weekend? TJ got in I think 22 unanswered shots to finish Barao. Lauzon KOed Gomi twice then walked away, turned around, and started walking back toward Gomi before Herb finally waved it off.

I'll give you the Goddard thing. I assume he's good because I can't think of a ton of fights he's reffed. Herb is terrible because he's inconsistent. John interjects himself way, way too much. Mirgs/Maz are oafs. Yamasaki's stand up fights within 5 seconds, Yves stood a fight up last weekend from back control lol.

[Cammo101]

I mean lately by this board. Most of the stoppages he's being killed for weren't that bad IMO. After Mark Goddard (god of MMA refs), there is just big clump of mostly pretty good refs (Beltran, Big John, Herzog, Yamasaki, Herb) and an even bigger clump of average to bad ones.

We are WORLDS apart on this if you describe either Yamasucky as mostly pretty good.

And do you really not agree that Herb did a terrible job last weekend? TJ got in I think 22 unanswered shots to finish Barao. Lauzon KOed Gomi twice then walked away, turned around, and started walking back toward Gomi before Herb finally waved it off.

I'll give you the Goddard thing. I assume he's good because I can't think of a ton of fights he's reffed. Herb is terrible because he's inconsistent. John interjects himself way, way too much. Mirgs/Maz are oafs. Yamasaki's stand up fights within 5 seconds, Yves stood a fight up last weekend from back control lol.

I didn't mind the TJ stoppage. The Lauzon one was def too late. I think with guys like Herb or Yamasaki, these guys ref more fights than just about anyone in the sport, so it stands to reason they are going to have a few late stoppages. To me, late stoppages are the least bad thing a ref can do. An occasional late stoppage is just going to happen, but that's not nearly as bad as a way too early stoppage, or refs not knowing rules, or standing fights up incorrectly. That is the stuff that ruins fights. Herb and Yamasaki rarely do that kind of stuff. That is waht separates the good refs from the bad ones IMO.

Yes, Yves is awful.

[REDDzone]

Yamasaki is one of the refs most notorious for early standups. Which is embarrassing for him since he supposedly grapples.

[High 5]

**** Palhares. He could have been a fan favorite in the UFC. Instead he should be restricted to fighting in favelas.

[kdawg32086]

It's too bad that Palhares is such a dbag, cuz it would've been nice to see him get tooled by Nelson or Maia...and I'd pay money to see Lawler smash his face in.

[Jasen777]

Nate Diaz and Khabib Nurmagomedov came to blows in the crowd. Nick was involved as well, but after the fact and only verbally. I saw tweets saying they were escorted away and that's why they weren't in the cage after. Can you even imagine if those guys were there after?

Diaz threw a drink at him. Didn't quite make out exactly what happened after that.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/8/2/9086029/nick-diaz-throws-beer-at-khabib-nurmagomedov-in-wsof-show-brawl

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQUq9iQZyJ8[/youtube]

[MelosSoreWrist]

Also, Mazaggati didn't do a terrible job despite how bad he is in general. I did think it was funny pre fight when some mma media were saying that its too bad Herb was in Brazil because ideally he would be in the cage for a Palhares fight.

Pretty hilarious given how late and bad Herb's stoppages have been lately. Palhares would probably still be wrenching that sub if Herbie were in there.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajZe1aUuKlg[/youtube]

I thought he did a terrible job. Shields tapped about 6 times then Mazaggati jumps in... and starts tapping with him 5 or so times with both hands before going for Palhares arm at which point RP lets go. You got to know who your reffing. You have to be ready to physically stop a sub when Palhares is fighting with his well known history. Actually Big John and his dive ins might be a good person to ref Rousimars fights.

[REDDzone]

Not to defend Mazagatti, but...

1) He didn't jump in late, really.

2) Just the nature of the double wrist lock position, I don't think its as easy to physically stop as you seem to think. Were it a heel hook, inverted or otherwise, its easy to pull away the attacking hand or else pry away the gable grip to relieve pressure on the knee. But the kimura? IDK how you physically stop that one, especially without risk of cranking the attacked dude's arm even more, especially in the hear of the moment. One option would have been for him to physically lift Palhares off of Jake's torso and allow Jake to spin and take away to angle to relieve pressure, but we both know that wasn't happening lol. Otherwise there is a wrist of wrenching the sub even more as you entangle your arms with theirs...

[Jasen777]

My complaint about the reffing there was about the eye gouging. I agree there's not a whole lot more he could do about the sub. But how many warnings to you get before you take a point? Palhares probably should have been disqualified before the third round.

[CPT]

Only watched the main event, because it was the only fight I really cared about and my broadcast was in Portuguese.

Palhares is a dirty dirty fighter, but dammit I'm interested in his fights. The eye gouging seemed intentional, and the hold on the kimura definitely was. But the guy just tapped Jake Shields. That's pretty impressive.

What would be the maximum fine for repeatedly holding on to submissions? I'd try that if it hasn't been done yet. If it has, suspension/ban.

[MelosSoreWrist]

Good call, have either won a fight since they all stomped Mayhem together on strikeforce?

They are a combined 2-6 since 2011. Yet people still care about them for a reason I can't seem to figure out.

Nate is 3-3 last 6, wins over Cerrone, Jim Miller, Gray Maynard. Losses to dos Anjos, Josh Thompson, Benson Henderson. Actually not that bad. The Punk loss kind of hurts but the Cerrone win looks huge now.

I dont like the Diaz brothers but them going around being jackasses makes for some entertainment itself. Heard Khabib threw the first punch when a Stockton scrub went up to his face and started barking at him.. but its hard to give the Diaz bros the benefit of the doubt.

If the skirmish has legs in the mma community I dont know how the UFC doesnt run a Khabib/NateDiaz fight night main event or co main on ppv to set up a Khabib/dos Anjos showdown.

[MelosSoreWrist]

My complaint about the reffing there was about the eye gouging. I agree there's not a whole lot more he could do about the sub. But how many warnings to you get before you take a point? Palhares probably should have been disqualified before the third round.

It looks pretty bad.