Boxing Thread 4.0

[Dupp]

So i dont follow boxing much really but how does fury match up with joshua? watching joshua againt ruiz he looks like a good technical boxer but really showed me nothing to think he would win that matchup..

he may be a lot better than i think he was just very unimpressive, even in the rematch where he was scared to do much outside jab and throw a couple of rights.

Fury is by far the best boxer at heavyweight, at his size you'd expect him to be a plodder, but he moves around the ring like a middleweight. Joshua is a lot like Wilder with better technical skills but a much weaker chin, those shots that Wilder took would have slept Joshua, he loses to Fury as well but it'll be a megafight and massive money is in it so it'll happen.

It's the only fight to be made for either at this point. Money and all the belts with the lineal championship.

“All the belts”

I think it’s really crap there’s multiple title belts. With there was one per division. But that’s been that way forever

[Rich Rane]

Fury is by far the best boxer at heavyweight, at his size you'd expect him to be a plodder, but he moves around the ring like a middleweight. Joshua is a lot like Wilder with better technical skills but a much weaker chin, those shots that Wilder took would have slept Joshua, he loses to Fury as well but it'll be a megafight and massive money is in it so it'll happen.

It's the only fight to be made for either at this point. Money and all the belts with the lineal championship.

“All the belts”

I think it’s really crap there’s multiple title belts. With there was one per division. But that’s been that way forever

I don't think you'll find any boxing fan that says multiple titles are amazing. Still though...the last time an undisputed heavyweight champion was named was Lennox Lewis after he defeated Holyfield 20 years ago. It's only gotten more difficult as another sanctioning body was recognized with the WBO.

[Dupp]

Still though...the last time an undisputed heavyweight champion was named was Lennox Lewis after he defeated Holyfield 20 years ago.

That’s kind of the point though. Would be nice if there was one belt and all the top fighters would be forced to fight each other more often. But yeah not happening in my lifetime.

[Rich Rane]

Still though...the last time an undisputed heavyweight champion was named was Lennox Lewis after he defeated Holyfield 20 years ago.

That’s kind of the point though. Would be nice if there was one belt and all the top fighters would be forced to fight each other more often. But yeah not happening in my lifetime.

Yeah again, no one's happy with this. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of boxing fans have voiced the same opinions publicly. It's more of a take what's given at this point.

[GS Warriors 1]

Fury knew exactly what he was doing putting on that extra weight. He was still nimble enough as well, but came into tonight with clear aggression from the opening bell. I think from that point onward, Wilder looked lost. The ear shot gave Wilder balance issues and he never recovered from that shot. After 6, I was beginning to ponder if the fight was closing in on a Fury stoppage. Didn't expect Breland to throw in the towel when he did in the 7th but Wilder hadn't really landed anything of note in the last 3 rounds so I think it was fair. Wilder won't like it, but his trainer did his job in looking out for the fighter.

[RonMexico915]

I don't see Wilder exercising the rematch clause. Wilder will be seeing Fury in his nightmares for a couple of years.

Wilder really has no choice. Which entity is going to sign him up for a multi fight deal for big bucks? He can fight Andy Ruiz, but who is going to pay to see that?

[REDDzone]

Fury made him look silly.

Hate to come off like I'm taking something away from Fury. He absolutely outclassed Wilder. But Wilder had no balance after round two. Was it the ear shot? He looked like complete garbage for most the fight. No legs. His right hand was like trying to fire a canon from a canoe.

I thought Wilder went from having no equilibrium from the ear shot (you can actually see his legs cross a time or two which signals balance is gone), to just looking gassed in the last round or two.

[Alfred]

Fury knew exactly what he was doing putting on that extra weight. He was still nimble enough as well, but came into tonight with clear aggression from the opening bell. I think from that point onward, Wilder looked lost. The ear shot gave Wilder balance issues and he never recovered from that shot. After 6, I was beginning to ponder if the fight was closing in on a Fury stoppage. Didn't expect Breland to throw in the towel when he did in the 7th but Wilder hadn't really landed anything of note in the last 3 rounds so I think it was fair. Wilder won't like it, but his trainer did his job in looking out for the fighter.

He should thank his trainer when he's fifty and is still able to talk in complete sentences. He was getting lit up on the ropes.

[Alfred]

BTW, if anyone wants to watch highlights, here is a link:

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[Duke4life831]

Fury was just the far more advanced boxer. We saw this is the 1st fight, but this time around it definitely felt like Fury knew all the ins and outs and knew exactly how to not just out box him but attack him. Its pretty crazy just how amateurish Fury makes Wilder look. Wilder had basically 1 move, throw the jab then the right, that was it. Fury just toyed with him the entire time and fantastic change in game plan this time around compared to last time by just putting all of his weight on Wilder as often as he could. Putting all of his 270+ pounds on Wilder's neck is beyond draining.

[Rich Rane]

Fury knew exactly what he was doing putting on that extra weight. He was still nimble enough as well, but came into tonight with clear aggression from the opening bell. I think from that point onward, Wilder looked lost. The ear shot gave Wilder balance issues and he never recovered from that shot. After 6, I was beginning to ponder if the fight was closing in on a Fury stoppage. Didn't expect Breland to throw in the towel when he did in the 7th but Wilder hadn't really landed anything of note in the last 3 rounds so I think it was fair. Wilder won't like it, but his trainer did his job in looking out for the fighter.

He should thank his trainer when he's fifty and is still able to talk in complete sentences. He was getting lit up on the ropes.

Yeah, it's fine to respect any fighter for wanting to go out on his shield, but it's the trainer's job to protect the fighter, even from himself.

[Alfred]

Fury was just the far more advanced boxer. We saw this is the 1st fight, but this time around it definitely felt like Fury knew all the ins and outs and knew exactly how to not just out box him but attack him. Its pretty crazy just how amateurish Fury makes Wilder look. Wilder had basically 1 move, throw the jab then the right, that was it.

Watch 3:17 in the video I posted, Fury goes jab weave jab weave into a combination all landing flush on Wilder. That's just someone who knows how to box versus someone who doesn't. Also, Fury is incredibly deceiving -- he looks like he should be plodding and static, but his head movement and footwork are all excellent for a guy his size.

The difference between this fight and last one was that Fury looked like he actually had some power behind his punches, and he was fighting coming forward. Wilder just had no clue how to attack him, and when he threw a punch he got clobbered on the counter.

Fury just toyed with him the entire time and fantastic change in game plan this time around compared to last time by just putting all of his weight on Wilder as often as he could. Putting all of his 270+ pounds on Wilder's neck is beyond draining.

Yup, he took Wilder's legs out of the equation by leaning on him and also going to the body. Wilder looked like he was on the verge of collapsing in the 6th and 7th.

[Alfred]

Also, can we appreciate how much more exciting Fury is as a fighter than the Vlad Klitschko? Klitschko had 0 killer instinct, he basically played possum until his opponent wore themselves out or got wobbly from eating too many straight punches. Forget all the outside the ring antics, Fury has a very exciting approach to the sport, mixing great movement with nice combinations, hooks, jabs and straights. Reminds me of the exciting fighters from the 20th century.

[Duke4life831]

Fury was just the far more advanced boxer. We saw this is the 1st fight, but this time around it definitely felt like Fury knew all the ins and outs and knew exactly how to not just out box him but attack him. Its pretty crazy just how amateurish Fury makes Wilder look. Wilder had basically 1 move, throw the jab then the right, that was it.

Watch 3:17 in the video I posted, Fury goes jab weave jab weave into a combination all landing flush on Wilder. That's just someone who knows how to box versus someone who doesn't. Also, Fury is incredibly deceiving -- he looks like he should be plodding and static, but his head movement and footwork are all excellent for a guy his size.

The difference between this fight and last one was that Fury looked like he actually had some power behind his punches, and he was fighting coming forward. Wilder just had no clue how to attack him, and when he threw a punch he got clobbered on the counter.

Fury just toyed with him the entire time and fantastic change in game plan this time around compared to last time by just putting all of his weight on Wilder as often as he could. Putting all of his 270+ pounds on Wilder's neck is beyond draining.

Yup, he took Wilder's legs out of the equation by leaning on him and also going to the body. Wilder looked like he was on the verge of collapsing in the 6th and 7th.

Ya a guy as big as Fury shouldn't be able to move like he does. With that said, I hope he still stays in somewhat good shape and just doesn't think he can balloon up and be at an even bigger advantage.

But ya Fury just put on a boxing clinic. Sometimes he would only throw a jab and nothing else, then he might throw back 2 back jabs, maybe even throw in 3 of them. Because of that whenever he would follow a jab with a right, they almost always seemed to connect because Wilder had no clue when it was coming. Then you also throw in the faints and all the movement in on top as well.

Compare that to Wilder who basically 95% of his attacks was a jab then that wild overhand right. You give a boxer as talented as Fury that limited of an arsenal, he's going to pick you apart and that is just what he did. Wilder has been able to get by on just that right hand for so long that its clear he has never really learned all the other ins and outs of the sport. And in the current HW division he has been able to get away with it for a very long time. Fury is just not your average HW, he actually has elite boxing skills.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Boxers die, letting a fighter continue just because he wants to is how we end up talking about Deontay in past tense, his corner did the right thing. I know everyone says Fury isn't a big puncher but at the end of the day that is still a 6'9" 273lbs man, he may not have Wilder's sudden 1 punch KO but taking a punch from him can do damage just the same, especially a sustained beating like the one Wilder was getting.

I actually think it was the big stiff jab that Fury landed early on that hurt Wilder, his footing was gone pretty much after that.

[Rich Rane]

Also, can we appreciate how much more exciting Fury is as a fighter than the Vlad Klitschko? Klitschko had 0 killer instinct, he basically played possum until his opponent wore themselves out or got wobbly from eating too many straight punches. Forget all the outside the ring antics, Fury has a very exciting approach to the sport, mixing great movement with nice combinations, hooks, jabs and straights. Reminds me of the exciting fighters from the 20th century.

While Fury is a hell of a lot more exciting, I wouldn't say Wlad played possum. Like Wilder and Fury, he was physically intimidating for smaller fighters to try and box inside. Wlad could box with KO power in both hands and his jab was so annoying to other fighters, especially when he started using it as a hammer to clear for the step in straight right. I think it's when he started using that left as a hammer though that he became more stiff and used less footwork and combinations.

[Alfred]

Maybe possum is the wrong word, but he definitely didn't go for the kill until his opponent was already crumbling. It was smart, and he followed the "tall fighter" textbook down to the letter, which is just use straight punches to out range your smaller opponent and force them to walk forward into you. He also had great ring sense and footwork to never let himself get on the ropes.

Made for very boring fights though. Watching a huge Ukranian guy slowly turn his opponents face into pudding until they eventually fall over is probably why HBO doesn't do boxing anymore.

[Alfred]

And yes, Wlad's straight right was pretty scary, and underrated. Not a knockout machine but it had probably hurt more fighters than any other punch in the past 30 years.

[Papi_swav]

In my mind Fury is 2-0 against Wilder. I thought the 1st fight was an easy decision in his favor, tonight made no doubts about it. The Fury/Joshua fight better happen within the next year.

Joshua is a chicken so I wouldn't be surprised if the fight doesn't happen for a few years. This will be a MEGA fight . And they'll fight in that huge London stadium that can fit like 100,000 people and they're both not American. They both might make close to 100 million each on that fight. Fury has the edge though because he is still undefeated. I have Fury winning either way, Joshua is a paper champion IMO and he has glass jaw. Hats off to Fury though, he is clearly the best fighter in the heavyweight division but he has to thank Wilder too for bringing his career back to life.

[Papi_swav]

Also, can we appreciate how much more exciting Fury is as a fighter than the Vlad Klitschko? Klitschko had 0 killer instinct, he basically played possum until his opponent wore themselves out or got wobbly from eating too many straight punches. Forget all the outside the ring antics, Fury has a very exciting approach to the sport, mixing great movement with nice combinations, hooks, jabs and straights. Reminds me of the exciting fighters from the 20th century.

Man those years were the worst years for the heavyweight division, when Vlad was beating everybody. Fury bought the heavyweight back when he beat Vlad, without question and I was soooooo happy that day. Vlad was just bigger than everybody and he knew how to use that lazy job and hug . Most of his fights were boring AF, and ppl talk about Mayweather being boring. Fury will go down as one of the greats. He will dominate Joshua and run the division for a few years , if he can keep himself together mentally and physically.