Boxing Thread 4.0

skflives · Post #201 » by **skflives** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:58 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:Dan Rafael
(3:18 PM)

Bat phone. Big news brewing.
Dan Rafael
(3:23 PM)

I am back. That was Schaefer. Adrien Broner has picked up his rematch option with Broner and they will fight again, probably in April.

Broner's fighting himself. Finally, we'll get to see him fight someone with a similar sized ego. :lol:

Blame Rasho · Post #202 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:01 pm

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By Edward Chaykovsky

Former three division world champion Adrien Broner (27-1, 22KOs) has promised to get revenge on WBA welterweight champ Marcos Maidana (35-3, 31KOs). Last December at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Maidana pulled off a huge upset when he dropped Broner twice and went forward to win a twelve round unanimous decision with scored of 117-109, 115-109 and 115-110. Although many have advised him to move down in weight to junior welterweight, Broner would like to get an immediate rematch.

"Y'all bout to see me back in the ring in some weeks..... And I ain't fighting nobody until I fight Marcos Maidana again ..... I'm a warrior. I give props when it's due and Maidana outhustled me that night, but this rematch will be different," Broner told his social network followers.

skflives · Post #203 » by **skflives** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:17 pm

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/311241-broner-6

Sporting a bloody nose that occurred during a unanimous decision loss in which he was floored twice and dethroned as WBA welterweight beltholder by Marcos Maidana, a dejected yet defiant Adrien “The Problem” Broner requested "a rematch" with Maidana "in my next fight” during his post-bout interview with Showtime’s Barry Tompkins in the locker room.

It has not been quite a month since the Dec. 14 loss that Maidana (35-3, 31 knockouts) handed Broner (27-1, 22 KOs) but the 24-year-old from Cincinnati still is calling for a return bout, doing so most recently on his Twitter account.

"I give props when it's due, and @ChinoMaidana out-hustled me that night. But this rematch will be different," wrote Broner, who did not have a rematch clause, on Thursday. "Y'all bout to see me back in the ring in some weeks….. And I ain't fighting nobody until I fight @ChinoMaidana again…I'm a warrior."

According to this ring magazine article, Broner did not have a rematch clause in the contract.

skflives · Post #204 » by **skflives** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:55 pm

Scratch that apparently there was a rematch clause.
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"I think the first fight was a helluva fight and a fight of the year candidate," said Schaefer, who originally said at ringside after the fight that there was no rematch clause but corrected his mistake Friday. "Adrien is still very young and he wants to set the record straight. And for Maidana, I am sure he is licking his chops to get his hands on Broner again.

I guess this means Amir Khan is officially getting the Mayweather fight. Booooooooooooooooo

GS Warriors 1 · Post #205 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:26 am

Forgot to do my 2013 boxing awards! I wish I did a more in-depth one but since the year is 2 weeks old, it'll be quick... Fighter - Mayweather, Fight - Marquez-Segura, KO - Golovkin 3rd round over Macklin, Robbery - Chavez over Vera, Round - Kirkland-Tapia round 3.

On Broner-Maidana, I commend Broner for taking it but I can't see the result changing all that much, actually better chance that Maidana stops him. He'll need to make several adjustments if he's going to beat Maidana and I don't know if a few months is enough time to work on it.

Butch718 · Post #206 » by **Butch718** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:59 pm

Two things need to happen in order for Broner to win a rematch. He needs to improve his footwork so he's not such a stationary target, and he can't afford to give away rounds by not throwing enough. Honestly, I don't see the former happening because that's not something you can just improve over the course of one fight. But I can see him coming out more aggressive, which would be dangerous because it would leave himself to open for some dangerous exchanges.

It's extremely stupid for him and his handlers to fight Maidana right away. This wasn't a fluke win on Maidana's part. I hate using this term "exposed" because it gets way overused in boxing convos, but Maidana really did expose him. Broner isn't a welter weight, nor does he doesn't have the physical and power advantages that he had at 135 to beat the top dogs in the division. I see the rematch going to same way, which could set back his career the same way in which Salido did to Juanma's.

Blame Rasho · Post #207 » by **Blame Rasho** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:13 pm

Butch718 wrote:Two things need to happen in order for Broner to win a rematch. He needs to improve his footwork so he's not such a stationary target, and he can't afford to give away rounds by not throwing enough. Honestly, I don't see the former happening because that's not something you can just improve over the course of one fight. But I can see him coming out more aggressive, which would be dangerous because it would leave himself to open for some dangerous exchanges.

It's extremely stupid for him and his handlers to fight Maidana right away. This wasn't a fluke win on Maidana's part. I hate using this term "exposed" because it gets way overused in boxing convos, but Maidana really did expose him. Broner isn't a welter weight, nor does he doesn't have the physical and power advantages that he had at 135 to beat the top dogs in the division. I see the rematch going to same way, which could set back his career the same way in which Salido did to Juanma's.

I am of the opinion that Broner honestly isn't great... He should have lost vs PonceDeLeon and barely got by Paulie who is no world beater...

He doesn't let his hands go, and doesn't have world class power to make up for that at welterweight. He gets hit far too often for an "elite talent" and you can't change such things over a training camp.

It doesn't matter if he wins or loses vs Miadana... He isn't a top talent. He will never be able to win vs the best unless he cherry picks who has a title or whatever.

Blame Rasho · Post #208 » by **Blame Rasho** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:17 pm

Well there is going to be a 50/50 fight in Canada... doesn't have the allure it used to have after Froch beat both of them.. but it should be a fun fight. Crowd should be electric.

I think Bute is just too chinny and will get KO'ed. Pascal if healthy should impose his will vs Bute. He got KO'ed very badly and he is facing a guy who knocked down the great Bernard Hopkins two times... He had gone over 20 years and countless of fights vs world class fighters before getting caught....

Perez is also fighting and will have Mago on his trunks... I don't know how he will look... but it should be interesting.

Butch718 · Post #209 » by **Butch718** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:32 pm

Man, it's sad to see how far Bute has fallen. He was once in the conversation for being the best middleweight in the sport. He was supposed to be be challenging Ward, but then after Froch KO'ed him his career trajectory went south. Even though I'm pulling for Bute I just don't see him winning tonight.

Blame Rasho · Post #210 » by **Blame Rasho** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:58 pm

Butch718 wrote:Man, it's sad to see how far Bute has fallen. He was once in the conversation for being the best middleweight in the sport. He was supposed to be be challenging Ward, but then after Froch KO'ed him his career trajectory went south. Even though I'm pulling for Bute I just don't see him winning tonight.

Honestly he should have lost his first fight vs Andrade.... it was a long count and any other ref would have stopped it.

He is a great fighter but if you really look into his resume... it isn't really that good. He needed the Super Six to validate himself... but he signed with HBO to fight fighters like Miranda during the SuperSix.

vi3t · Post #211 » by **vi3t** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:57 pm

21,000 expected at the Bell Centre tonight, Quebecois loves their fighting, should be a great crowd

Butch718 · Post #212 » by **Butch718** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:04 am

Blame Rasho wrote:
Butch718 wrote:Man, it's sad to see how far Bute has fallen. He was once in the conversation for being the best middleweight in the sport. He was supposed to be be challenging Ward, but then after Froch KO'ed him his career trajectory went south. Even though I'm pulling for Bute I just don't see him winning tonight.

Honestly he should have lost his first fight vs Andrade.... it was a long count and any other ref would have stopped it.

He is a great fighter but if you really look into his resume... it isn't really that good. He needed the Super Six to validate himself... but he signed with HBO to fight fighters like Miranda during the SuperSix.

I remember that pretty well. Bute did make up for that by spanking him in the rematch.

But you're right. His resume was lacking due to all the big names fighting in the super six.

Anyway, here's another super middle weight that fell off the face of the planet, Andre Dirrell. After the Abraham fight, he completely disappeared. What the hell happened to him?

skflives · Post #213 » by **skflives** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:52 am

Blame Rasho wrote:
Butch718 wrote:Man, it's sad to see how far Bute has fallen. He was once in the conversation for being the best middleweight in the sport. He was supposed to be be challenging Ward, but then after Froch KO'ed him his career trajectory went south. Even though I'm pulling for Bute I just don't see him winning tonight.

Honestly he should have lost his first fight vs Andrade.... it was a long count and any other ref would have stopped it.

He is a great fighter but if you really look into his resume... it isn't really that good. He needed the Super Six to validate himself... but he signed with HBO to fight fighters like Miranda during the SuperSix.

That's actually untrue. Bute fought on Showtime before and during the Super 6. He just wasn't chosen for it.

Butch718 · Post #214 » by **Butch718** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:41 am

Froch not only beat Bute, but he took his confidence away. He was gun shy and timid the majority of the fight. When Bute had Pascal close to the ropes, he just couldn't put together any kind of offense. I think the 12th round was a case of playing possum gone wrong. Pascal was trying to play rope a dope and made that 12th round a lot closer than it should have been. He got caught, and allowed Bute to hit him with some legit punches. If he didn't play around like that, that 12th round would have been like the previous 11. I scored it 118-110 and that's being generous. I scored the 3rd and 12th for Bute. That's about it. Pascal dominated the majority of this fight.

Anyway, a fight between Stevenson and Pascal would generate a lot of interest in Canada. Stevenson should aim to fight Pascal before he eventually gets in the ring with Kovalev. It's a winnable fight that would make him a ton of money. In fact, he should make as much money as possible before he risks being in the ring with an animal like Kovalev. It may not be what fans want to hear or see, but business wise it makes complete sense.

BTW, Perez's heart just wasn't in it against Takam tonight. It makes me wonder if he was mentally effected by what happened to Mago. He just looked like a completely different boxer from his last fight. There was no passion or energy on his part. On top of that he got extremely lucky to end up with a draw.

Butch718 · Post #215 » by **Butch718** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:33 pm

Froch verse Chavez Jr? I hope Froch destroys this clown. Andre Ward should have took this fight. It would have been an easy win, and easy money. If the whole point is to grow your brand and get your name out there, a fight with JCCJ would have helped him out.

cowboyronnie · Post #216 » by **cowboyronnie** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:57 pm

He absolutely lost that fight to Andrade, he was down for more than 10 and totally out on his feet - the ref was crooked (Quebec is the most crooked jurisdiction in Canada, if not North America...politicians bought by biker OC. and that ref is still active, FWIW).

A fight with JCC is a waste of Froch's talent. He'll make a great purse and draw some demographics to his name, for sure, but it's not going to be a challenge. Another fight with Ward, please.

cowboyronnie · Post #217 » by **cowboyronnie** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:04 pm

Pascal's really unpleasant to watch, I can't think of anyone I'm less interested in. He's got too much bodybuilder muscle to do the RJJ thing, kill-shots from weird angles.

skflives · Post #218 » by **skflives** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:11 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:He absolutely lost that fight to Andrade, he was down for more than 10 and totally out on his feet - the ref was crooked (Quebec is the most crooked jurisdiction in Canada, if not North America...politicians bought by biker OC. and that ref is still active, FWIW).

A fight with JCC is a waste of Froch's talent. He'll make a great purse and draw some demographics to his name, for sure, but it's not going to be a challenge. Another fight with Ward, please.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on all counts except that last point. I think he should clean up that mess with George Groves before he challenges Ward.

Butch718 · Post #219 » by **Butch718** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:30 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:A fight with JCC is a waste of Froch's talent. He'll make a great purse and draw some demographics to his name, for sure, but it's not going to be a challenge. Another fight with Ward, please.

I don't want to see Froch fight Ward again because the outcome would be the same. Ward schooled him easily, and that was with a broken hand. What makes you think that a second fight would be any different? At least a fight with JCCJ would be entertaining. A lot of fans would pay to see JCCJ get his spoiled and lazy ass handed to him. After that he should give Groves his rematch.

Ward already cleaned up 168 and has nothing left to prove in that division. The logical thing to do would be for him to move up in weight and actually challenge himself against the likes of Stevenson and Kovalev. Instead, he's going to keep fighting guys that present no challenge whatsoever.

Pascal's really unpleasant to watch, I can't think of anyone I'm less interested in. He's got too much bodybuilder muscle to do the RJJ thing, kill-shots from weird angles.

I wasn't impressed by Pascal's performance whatsoever. He didn't come off looking good against a shot Bute. That 12th round made him look really bad.

Butch718 · Post #220 » by **Butch718** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:47 pm

Mikey Gacia and Peterson fight tonight on HBO and Showtime.

Also, Pac/Bradley II is a done deal. It's the only fight right now that makes sense for both fighters. Bradley has raised his stock with wins over Prov and Marquez. Pac got his tune up out of the way, and is going to be motivated to avenge that robbery. Bradley is going to be motivated to prove that he can beat Pac without any controversy whatsoever. I still think Pac wins, but it's going to be a lot closer than their first fight.