Boxing Thread 4.0

[Papi_swav]

Wtf are you talking about? Hurd just got exposed by JRoc. Might never be the same. Munguia is just one trick. What does he have that JCC didn't, aside from 1 / 10th of the experience? They're just plodding heavy hitters who cut tonnes of weight. Munguia is going to move from journeymen and challenge Canelo????

That you think anything close to Hurd or Munguia could beat Canelo proves you're just a hater.

Just because Hurd got "exposed" by JRoc doesn't make him any less of an opponent. You should know by now that styles make fights. Canelo is nowhere near as fast as Jroc. Munguia has a hell of a lot of power, he's proven that. I'm just saying u can't disregard those guys as if Canelo will just roll right over them when Canelo himself has flaws too.

You thinking Canelo will just walk over everybody as if he's untouchable or if he's Mayweather proves your just a bandwagoner. Canelo has 3 L's on my card and everybody else card but he was gift wrapped some wins. Didn't even mention the steroid chicken he was eating, twice ! Canelo is very good but his track record has some holes and he isn't the top boxer in the game.

Where did I say that? He would get wrecked by Beterbiev. And I think he's an obvious steroid cheat (I should include this opinion as a footnote in every post, apparently?).

You said Munguia would "especially" give Canelo "trouble". A guy coming off wins against Gary O'Sullivan and Allotay, after robbing Hogan. That might be the dumbest thing ever posted on this board. What does he have the JCC didn't? Seriously.

Let me quote you again:

Hurd and Munguia will definitely give Canelo trouble, especially Munguia,

LOL

Don't ever post again.

You implied it, speaking as if Canelo would easily walk thru anybody. Kovalev was beating him, so was Khan and others that I'm not going to repeat myself again because your too simple to understand this concept. You never spoke on the steroid cheat until now you stan.

How is that dumb? Munguia is a brawler, is strong and tall. This is what I'm talking about, you speaking as if Canelo would just walk right thru him and as if he's not a threat. Don't ever doubt anybody that put on gloves. I could tell you never been in a ring your entire life. You probably never even had a fist fight in your life, actually u was prolly bullied.

Yes Hurd and Munguia will give Canelo trouble and I stand by that statement. You acting like I said they would knock Canelo out in the first round. Those guys are strong and have long reach.

I'm sorry I don't agree that Canelo would pick apart every single opponent and I'm sorry I'm not a stan boy for him like you are. Just because Hurd lost to JCC doesn't make him a bad fighter. Canelo lost to Mayweather, does that mean he exposed Canelo? What about his lost to Lara or the first GGG fight that the judges rigged? Why don't you speak on that fanboy.

[cowboyronnie]

Just because Hurd got "exposed" by JRoc doesn't make him any less of an opponent. You should know by now that styles make fights. Canelo is nowhere near as fast as Jroc. Munguia has a hell of a lot of power, he's proven that. I'm just saying u can't disregard those guys as if Canelo will just roll right over them when Canelo himself has flaws too.

You thinking Canelo will just walk over everybody as if he's untouchable or if he's Mayweather proves your just a bandwagoner. Canelo has 3 L's on my card and everybody else card but he was gift wrapped some wins. Didn't even mention the steroid chicken he was eating, twice ! Canelo is very good but his track record has some holes and he isn't the top boxer in the game.

Where did I say that? He would get wrecked by Beterbiev. And I think he's an obvious steroid cheat (I should include this opinion as a footnote in every post, apparently?).

You said Munguia would "especially" give Canelo "trouble". A guy coming off wins against Gary O'Sullivan and Allotay, after robbing Hogan. That might be the dumbest thing ever posted on this board. What does he have the JCC didn't? Seriously.

Let me quote you again:

Hurd and Munguia will definitely give Canelo trouble, especially Munguia,

LOL

Don't ever post again.

You implied it, speaking as if Canelo would easily walk thru anybody. Kovalev was beating him, so was Khan and others that I'm not going to repeat myself again because your too simple to understand this concept. You never spoke on the steroid cheat until now you stan.

How is that dumb? Munguia is a brawler, is strong and tall. This is what I'm talking about, you speaking as if Canelo would just walk right thru him and as if he's not a threat. Don't ever doubt anybody that put on gloves. I could tell you never been in a ring your entire life. You probably never even had a fist fight in your life, actually u was prolly bullied.

Yes Hurd and Munguia will give Canelo trouble and I stand by that statement. You acting like I said they would knock Canelo out in the first round. Those guys are strong and have long reach.

I'm sorry I don't agree that Canelo would pick apart every single opponent and I'm sorry I'm not a stan boy for him like you are. Just because Hurd lost to JCC doesn't make him a bad fighter. Canelo lost to Mayweather, does that mean he exposed Canelo? What about his lost to Lara or the first GGG fight that the judges rigged? Why don't you speak on that fanboy.

How could I have implied that? I mentioned TWO fighters of the dozen in contention.

Listen, you just don't know anything about the state of the sport. Have you seen Canelo-Kirkland? Canelo-JCC? That's what he does to heavy hitting brawlers. Some of the most relentless, brutal beatings in recent memory. He completely destroyed those two men.

He *ended Kirkland's career* in 8 total minutes of ring time. When has a power punching brawler ever pushed Canelo?

What does Munguia have that differentiates him? He's tougher than Kirkland? LOL. He's a harder puncher than JCC, who fought Canelo at a catch weight of 164 (and who was easily 180+ pounds in the ring)? Munguia has done nothing but fight journeyman on C cards. Now he has the nerves and poise to jump to a PPV against Canelo and do better than either JCC or Kirkland? Keep in mind, he can't just do better. Those two got absolutely obliterated. As men. He has to somehow rise way the hell above those two.

It's completely idiotic. Take two Gravol and watch the Kirkland and JCC fights. It's stomach churning.

Talk about Charlo or Beterbiev, those would be fights. I am not doubting that. I think Beterbiev would beat him. Charlo, whatever. But Munguia or Hurd?

This isn't BoxingScene. Don't ever post again.

[Papi_swav]

Where did I say that? He would get wrecked by Beterbiev. And I think he's an obvious steroid cheat (I should include this opinion as a footnote in every post, apparently?).

You said Munguia would "especially" give Canelo "trouble". A guy coming off wins against Gary O'Sullivan and Allotay, after robbing Hogan. That might be the dumbest thing ever posted on this board. What does he have the JCC didn't? Seriously.

Let me quote you again:

LOL

Don't ever post again.

You implied it, speaking as if Canelo would easily walk thru anybody. Kovalev was beating him, so was Khan and others that I'm not going to repeat myself again because your too simple to understand this concept. You never spoke on the steroid cheat until now you stan.

How is that dumb? Munguia is a brawler, is strong and tall. This is what I'm talking about, you speaking as if Canelo would just walk right thru him and as if he's not a threat. Don't ever doubt anybody that put on gloves. I could tell you never been in a ring your entire life. You probably never even had a fist fight in your life, actually u was prolly bullied.

Yes Hurd and Munguia will give Canelo trouble and I stand by that statement. You acting like I said they would knock Canelo out in the first round. Those guys are strong and have long reach.

I'm sorry I don't agree that Canelo would pick apart every single opponent and I'm sorry I'm not a stan boy for him like you are. Just because Hurd lost to JCC doesn't make him a bad fighter. Canelo lost to Mayweather, does that mean he exposed Canelo? What about his lost to Lara or the first GGG fight that the judges rigged? Why don't you speak on that fanboy.

How could I have implied that? I mentioned TWO fighters of the dozen in contention.

Listen, you just don't know anything about the state of the sport. Have you seen Canelo-Kirkland? Canelo-JCC? That's what he does to heavy hitting brawlers. Some of the most relentless, brutal beatings in recent memory. He completely destroyed those two men.

He *ended Kirkland's career* in 8 total minutes of ring time. When has a power punching brawler ever pushed Canelo?

What does Munguia have that differentiates him? He's tougher than Kirkland? LOL. He's a harder puncher than JCC, who fought Canelo at a catch weight of 164 (and who was easily 180+ pounds in the ring)? Munguia has done nothing but fight journeyman on C cards. Now he has the nerves and poise to jump to a PPV against Canelo and do better than either JCC or Kirkland? Keep in mind, he can't just do better. Those two got absolutely obliterated. As men. He has to somehow rise way the hell above those two.

It's completely idiotic. Take two Gravol and watch the Kirkland and JCC fights. It's stomach churning.

Talk about Charlo or Beterbiev, those would be fights. I am not doubting that. I think Beterbiev would beat him. Charlo, whatever. But Munguia or Hurd?

This isn't BoxingScene. Don't ever post again.

Bro what the hell are u talking about? Kirkland has a glass jaw and no skills. JCC is a disgrace to boxing and his father, that dude does not belong in the sport. The guys I listed actually has some skills. GGG is power punching brawler and we know how that first fight turned out.

I seen those 2 fights the same day. I know what I'm talking about. I stated Charlo way before in my first statement if u go back. Canelo won't give Hurd or Mungia a shot now because he's looking for big money fights.

And like I said in my original post, he's taking the Mayweather blueprint. He'll fight GGG for the third time and then probably fight some bum like Julio Cesar Chavez again after just because it will sell due to mexican fans. Or probably a Kell Brook.

You don't ever post again. You don't know anything about this great sport. Like I said, you never even been in a ring before and you probably never even had a fight in your life. This is grown man business and you have no say in this.

[Knickfan1982]

This isn't BoxingScene. Don't ever post again.

Boy oh boy. That place is a troll farm. Just nothing but ignorant haters pissing on each other for sport.

[Knickfan1982]

His power doesn't translate well at 147. He needs to stay at 140. If he stays at 147, him and Danny Garcia is a good matchup but I think Danny wins it.

I think he's just looking to cash out and all the bigger money fights are at 147. He'll stay there as long as he can be win enough fights to get the big fights. But once he no longer looks relevant at 147 he'll "reinvent himself" back at 140.

Possibly. I think he should of stood at 135 a little longer but you're right. We seen that he can't really hang with the top fighters at 147.

I think his best shot is against Pacquio actually. Pacquio isn't a big 147lber and he's old. He's gotta slow down sooner or later. If he does Garcia has a shot. If he doesn't Pac-man is too good. Thurman might be ripe for the picking considering how bad he's looked after all his injuries. But if he's anywhere near his normal self he's too good and big for Garcia. Spence already carried Mikey for 12 rounds to get some ring time in. Shawn Porter is capable of boxing with Garcia but if that doesn't work his mauling style would give anyway hell. He'd probably wear Mikey down. Crawford wouldn't have a big size advantage but I think his boxing is on a different level. Danny Garcia's probably the worst of the bunch but he's still well rounded enough to be extremely competitive with everyone. But since he's not elite at anything in particular maybe Garcia might have a chance. I doubt it though.

[Papi_swav]

I think he's just looking to cash out and all the bigger money fights are at 147. He'll stay there as long as he can be win enough fights to get the big fights. But once he no longer looks relevant at 147 he'll "reinvent himself" back at 140.

Possibly. I think he should of stood at 135 a little longer but you're right. We seen that he can't really hang with the top fighters at 147.

I think his best shot is against Pacquio actually. Pacquio isn't a big 147lber and he's old. He's gotta slow down sooner or later. If he does Garcia has a shot. If he doesn't Pac-man is too good. Thurman might be ripe for the picking considering how bad he's looked after all his injuries. But if he's anywhere near his normal self he's too good and big for Garcia. Spence already carried Mikey for 12 rounds to get some ring time in. Shawn Porter is capable of boxing with Garcia but if that doesn't work his mauling style would give anyway hell. He'd probably wear Mikey down. Crawford wouldn't have a big size advantage but I think his boxing is on a different level. Danny Garcia's probably the worst of the bunch but he's still well rounded enough to be extremely competitive with everyone. But since he's not elite at anything in particular maybe Garcia might have a chance. I doubt it though.

Yea this is what I'm saying, Mikey can stay in the division but I don't think he has enough to hang with the top guys at 147. U broke it down good. Pac man is still a top dog there and will give anyone trouble, he spanked Thurman. But anybody who fights Pac man will receive probably their biggest pay day in their lifetime so if anybody is smart they would jump on that fight no matter what.

Crawford would pick Mikey apart, I think Porter is too aggressive for Mikey. Thurman lost a clear step and I don't know what to expect from him now.

Danny vs Mikey would be a big money fight and will draw the Mexican vs. Puerto Rican fan base which always sell out. But I think Danny edges Mikey. Danny is a natural 147 and has been there for a few years already. I think Danny wins unanimously but that is the best fight to make right now in my opinion for both of them. It should be competitive and will bank in some good $$$. Their promoters should get on that ASAP.

[aggerrard]

It's a shame with Thurman. I doubt he ever gets back to his best, maybe not even 90% of it. He was one of my favorite fighters to watch from 2014 up until he fought Porter and Garcia at his best. The guy that came back vs Josesito two years after the Garcia fight was clearly not the same boxer anymore.

We also have to see how Spence looks when he gets back. And for Crawford, he needs to start taking on the topguys in the division. Porter, Garcia (Danny), Pacquiao and Spence - can even throw Mikey and Thurman in there aswell. Give Spence a comeback fight and then make Spence vs Crawford happen. I think Crawford is the best in the division, but we don't know until he faces the best guys in the division.

As for Canelo.

GGG is power punching brawler and we know how that first fight turned out.

- please don't compare Munguia to GGG. Munguia is very limited as a boxer. For a top fighter - not great technique, wild punches, mediocre punching power, decent speed, bad defense. Canelo knocks him out. But okay, Zurdo is a better boxer, not remotely world class, than Munguia but avoids the best fighters - if Munguia does the same, he may have a somewhat similar path as Zurdo. Zurdo might just have the weakest championship run (4+ defenses) in this decade (last decade, 10-19).

[cowboyronnie]

GGG is a brawler lol

[cowboyronnie]

in the second fight w Canelo, when he moved backwards and punched off the back foot, is that the success of brawling w Canelo?

[Papi_swav]

in the second fight w Canelo, when he moved backwards and punched off the back foot, is that the success of brawling w Canelo?

GGG is washed at this point. We knew it was going to come sooner or later the guy is 38 years old. The first fight he whooped Canelo and thats the success of a real brawler, we all saw it but ofcourse you wouldn't respond to that. The 2nd fight could of been more of a draw than the first one but I'm not mad they gave it to Canelo. It sucks that these refs rigged the first one for Canelo when everybody seen GGG spanked him, and you know that. GGG was 37 years old in the 2nd fight. There's really no reason for them to fight a 3rd time. GGG doesn't possess the same power anymore unfortunately.

[Papi_swav]

It's a shame with Thurman. I doubt he ever gets back to his best, maybe not even 90% of it. He was one of my favorite fighters to watch from 2014 up until he fought Porter and Garcia at his best. The guy that came back vs Josesito two years after the Garcia fight was clearly not the same boxer anymore.

We also have to see how Spence looks when he gets back. And for Crawford, he needs to start taking on the topguys in the division. Porter, Garcia (Danny), Pacquiao and Spence - can even throw Mikey and Thurman in there aswell. Give Spence a comeback fight and then make Spence vs Crawford happen. I think Crawford is the best in the division, but we don't know until he faces the best guys in the division.

As for Canelo.

GGG is power punching brawler and we know how that first fight turned out.

- please don't compare Munguia to GGG. Munguia is very limited as a boxer. For a top fighter - not great technique, wild punches, mediocre punching power, decent speed, bad defense. Canelo knocks him out. But okay, Zurdo is a better boxer, not remotely world class, than Munguia but avoids the best fighters - if Munguia does the same, he may have a somewhat similar path as Zurdo. Zurdo might just have the weakest championship run (4+ defenses) in this decade (last decade, 10-19).

Yea I think Thurman is done. I never really was a fan of him. Somebody should jump on him and fight him now just to get a name under their belt. Danny should try to get his rematch now.

I really don't understand why Crawford never fights anybody with a name yet. It's like his promoter is scared and its annoying. Crawford has like 6 guys he can fight and none of them looks like it will happen. I think Spence is the best in that division and I think he spanks Crawford honestly but those are the 2 top guys there right now and that fight needs to happen .

When did I compare Munguia to GGG? GGG is a hall of fame, when did I say Munguia is as good as him. I just said he's a brawler. The other guy said when did Canelo ever have problems with a brawler, he spanked Kirkland and JCC and I said GGG gave him problems and actually won the first fight. Please don't respond to one line out of the whole argument, I hate when ppl do that. Actually read the whole statement.

Yes Munguia have some holes but he still very young and raw. He has raw power and a good chin, I don't think Canelo knocks him out. It's unfair to call Munguia a scrub at this raw age. When Mayweather schooled Canelo when he was 22 years old, would it have been fair to disregard Canelo ? Exactly my point. But those 2 guys won't fight now anyways. Canelo is going to fight triple G than pick on some other weak opponents. Same thing Mayweather did , thats why i said hes following the Mayweather blueprint.

[cowboyronnie]

in the second fight w Canelo, when he moved backwards and punched off the back foot, is that the success of brawling w Canelo?

GGG is washed at this point. We knew it was going to come sooner or later the guy is 38 years old. The first fight he whooped Canelo and thats the success of a real brawler, we all saw it but ofcourse you wouldn't respond to that. The 2nd fight could of been more of a draw than the first one but I'm not mad they gave it to Canelo. It sucks that these refs rigged the first one for Canelo when everybody seen GGG spanked him, and you know that. GGG was 37 years old in the 2nd fight. There's really no reason for them to fight a 3rd time. GGG doesn't possess the same power anymore unfortunately.

The most methodical fighter in the sport is a brawler. A guy who throws 9 set-up shots for every 1 serious punch...is a brawler.

Have you ever seen boxing?

GGG places punches like he's doing bonsai.

He's in no way a brawler.

[cowboyronnie]

GGG is power punching brawler

What more needs to be said about your boxing knowledge.

[Papi_swav]

in the second fight w Canelo, when he moved backwards and punched off the back foot, is that the success of brawling w Canelo?

GGG is washed at this point. We knew it was going to come sooner or later the guy is 38 years old. The first fight he whooped Canelo and thats the success of a real brawler, we all saw it but ofcourse you wouldn't respond to that. The 2nd fight could of been more of a draw than the first one but I'm not mad they gave it to Canelo. It sucks that these refs rigged the first one for Canelo when everybody seen GGG spanked him, and you know that. GGG was 37 years old in the 2nd fight. There's really no reason for them to fight a 3rd time. GGG doesn't possess the same power anymore unfortunately.

The most methodical fighter in the sport is a brawler. A guy who throws 9 set-up shots for every 1 serious punch...is a brawler.

Have you ever seen boxing?

GGG places punches like he's doing bonsai.

He's in no way a brawler.

Yes hes a brawler, do you need your eyes check out? You must of never seen GGG fight previous to Canelo. The dude was a lite version of Tyson, knocking everybody out and coming straight forward. What you going to say next? He's a technical boxer like Floyd. You literally put Kirkland and JCC in the same breathe as GGG. Don't ever speak on boxing again. And I'm saying it for the 3rd time again, you never been in the ring so what you say holds no weight. Stick to volleyball cowgirl.

[aggerrard]

It's a shame with Thurman. I doubt he ever gets back to his best, maybe not even 90% of it. He was one of my favorite fighters to watch from 2014 up until he fought Porter and Garcia at his best. The guy that came back vs Josesito two years after the Garcia fight was clearly not the same boxer anymore.

We also have to see how Spence looks when he gets back. And for Crawford, he needs to start taking on the topguys in the division. Porter, Garcia (Danny), Pacquiao and Spence - can even throw Mikey and Thurman in there aswell. Give Spence a comeback fight and then make Spence vs Crawford happen. I think Crawford is the best in the division, but we don't know until he faces the best guys in the division.

As for Canelo.

GGG is power punching brawler and we know how that first fight turned out.

- please don't compare Munguia to GGG. Munguia is very limited as a boxer. For a top fighter - not great technique, wild punches, mediocre punching power, decent speed, bad defense. Canelo knocks him out. But okay, Zurdo is a better boxer, not remotely world class, than Munguia but avoids the best fighters - if Munguia does the same, he may have a somewhat similar path as Zurdo. Zurdo might just have the weakest championship run (4+ defenses) in this decade (last decade, 10-19).

Yea I think Thurman is done. I never really was a fan of him. Somebody should jump on him and fight him now just to get a name under their belt. Danny should try to get his rematch now.

I really don't understand why Crawford never fights anybody with a name yet. It's like his promoter is scared and its annoying. Crawford has like 6 guys he can fight and none of them looks like it will happen. I think Spence is the best in that division and I think he spanks Crawford honestly but those are the 2 top guys there right now and that fight needs to happen .

When did I compare Munguia to GGG? GGG is a hall of fame, when did I say Munguia is as good as him. I just said he's a brawler. The other guy said when did Canelo ever have problems with a brawler, he spanked Kirkland and JCC and I said GGG gave him problems and actually won the first fight. Please don't respond to one line out of the whole argument, I hate when ppl do that. Actually read the whole statement.

Yes Munguia have some holes but he still very young and raw. He has raw power and a good chin, I don't think Canelo knocks him out. It's unfair to call Munguia a scrub at this raw age. When Mayweather schooled Canelo when he was 22 years old, would it have been fair to disregard Canelo ? Exactly my point. But those 2 guys won't fight now anyways. Canelo is going to fight triple G than pick on some other weak opponents. Same thing Mayweather did , thats why i said hes following the Mayweather blueprint.

You just used GGG in an argument with Munguia to downplay the 'brawler' argument. Just saying - Munguia is way closer to the level of JCC and Kirkland than he is to GGG.

I don't call Munguia a scrub, just saying he isn't remotely world class.

[aggerrard]

GGG is washed at this point. We knew it was going to come sooner or later the guy is 38 years old. The first fight he whooped Canelo and thats the success of a real brawler, we all saw it but ofcourse you wouldn't respond to that. The 2nd fight could of been more of a draw than the first one but I'm not mad they gave it to Canelo. It sucks that these refs rigged the first one for Canelo when everybody seen GGG spanked him, and you know that. GGG was 37 years old in the 2nd fight. There's really no reason for them to fight a 3rd time. GGG doesn't possess the same power anymore unfortunately.

The most methodical fighter in the sport is a brawler. A guy who throws 9 set-up shots for every 1 serious punch...is a brawler.

Have you ever seen boxing?

GGG places punches like he's doing bonsai.

He's in no way a brawler.

Yes hes a brawler, do you need your eyes check out? You must of never seen GGG fight previous to Canelo. The dude was a lite version of Tyson, knocking everybody out and coming straight forward. What you going to say next? He's a technical boxer like Floyd. You literally put Kirkland and JCC in the same breathe as GGG. Don't ever speak on boxing again. And I'm saying it for the 3rd time again, you never been in the ring so what you say holds no weight. Stick to volleyball cowgirl.

You both should calm down

It's just boxing and different views, if we all agree on the same thing, the world would be boring.

[cowboyronnie]

GGG, a brawler, like... Mike Tyson.

[Papi_swav]

GGG a technical boxer like Mayweather^^^

JCC and Kirkland are the greatest brawlers boxing has ever seen and Canelo easily walked thru them which means he can easily walk thru Wilder and Fury. I'm such a big fan boy of Canelo I'm such a stan and I will do any and everything to prove he's not a steroid chicken cherry picking cheater- Cowgirl Ronnie ^^^

[cowboyronnie]

I believe Canelo's a steroid cheat and would get beat by the top 175ers and be pushed by multiple 168ers.

Thanks for coming out. Can I show you the door: www.boxing.com/forums/

[cowboyronnie]

Also, I think Saunders might shock the world. Assuming the guy who beat Lemieux was not an artifact of PED use (maybe).