Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[lolathon234]

Shaq actually fought Shane Mosley at a charity event wearing protective headgear+oversized gloves. And Shaq's tactic was to bullrush/try to pin him in the corner, which was actually quite effective. But there were two major problems. 1. It became obvious that Shaq didn't have stopping power. 2. He left himself open to major powershots each time which were easy connects for a world class fighter like Mosley. You remove the gloves and the headgear, Shaq's going to be facedown after a punch like the one at 0:15. Even with Shaq's 16" height and 170 lb weight advantage(Mosley is 5'8 154 lbs), it's easy for Mosley to lean back and land a devastating counter punch with Shaq swarming him on the ropes.

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[limbo]

Bruv.. This is a boxing match and Shaq is clearly trolling lol, dude throws two playful punches before going to his knees and just wailing randomly whilw the other dude ia fighting back seriously... In a street fight Shaq would just grab him and throw him to the ground and lay on him.

[Gooner]

Zion would win. You don't understand how strong someone like Zion is, skill goes out of the window if you are an average man fighting against something like that. Zion wouldn't try to out-punch McGregor, he would just get him on the ground and hammer him.

[Gooner]

Zion's getting submitted or a busted knee unless there's a box of krispy kreme on the line.

I don't think McGregor can submit him, Zion is too strong. It's extremely hard to wrestle against someone who is 10 kg heavier than you, let alone with somoene literally twice your weight and 25 cm taller.

[Bergmaniac]

These "NBA players are the most athletic and skillful athletes" threads are really getting tedious.

[SkyHookFTW]

Just to put things in perspective, the first non-trial class I ever took in MMA I did a Jiu Jitsu class (or perhaps it was wrestling). I was already an adult, 19-20 years old, I wrestled with someone who was 13 years old and much smaller than me. He totally threw me around. The difference in physical between a 19 year old and a normal 13 year old is probably larger than an NBA athlete vs a 5'10, 180 pound athlete. Again, he was in middle school and I was in college - I was slim back then, but I'm still very much a normal sized person, roughly a bit larger in frame than Conor McGregor (who is probably 180 pounds when he's not dieting).

Also, the first time I sparred I couldn't land a hit on the guy I was sparring with. And in turn, I have sparred with many people, including those who have some training who can't land a hit on me. And I still can't land hits on other guys. Someone who has never threw a punch before will have a very hard time getting a good hit - wailing punches are not effective even with a good size difference, and is more likely going to lead to a broken hand for Zion than a knock out punch.

Someone who is trained vs someone who is untrained is like a guy with a gun going against a caveman. It really feels like one guy is just using primitive weapons. Not everyone who trains is a good fighter though, but McGregor is a professional, and a top one at that.

I’m a very big MMA fan, but Conor is like half his size. Zion would get his hands on him and it’d be over. It’s not like Conor could knock out someone as big or strong as Zion either. Not even close

He definitely could knock someone out that size. He has legitimate knockout power, he isn't just knocking guys out because they're small.

Chin and liver don't correlate that well with size in terms of damage that can be taken. If a legitimately small man like Manny Pacqiao gave someone like Kawhi Leonard a hook to the jaw or the liver, Leonard is going down easy.

Glad that the part I bolded is known by someone. The average person throwing a punch in a fight is just as likely to break their wrist as they are at hurting the other person. I am so glad my second sport was wrestling. I never had to throw a punch in a fight.

[HeartBreakKid]

Zion's getting submitted or a busted knee unless there's a box of krispy kreme on the line.

I don't think McGregor can submit him, Zion is too strong. It's extremely hard to wrestle against someone who is 10 kg heavier than you, let alone with somoene literally twice your weight and 25 cm taller.

Within the first ten seconds it can be hard.

After that? It's pretty easy. If someone has never grappled before they will get tired incredibly quickly. Heck, if someone never boxed before they'll get tired just from throwing punches, much less wrestling.

A brown belt in Jiu Jitsu would beat someone much bigger than them on the ground. It is actually what Jiu Jitsu was designed to do.

[HeartBreakKid]

Shaq actually fought Shane Mosley at a charity event wearing protective headgear+oversized gloves. And Shaq's tactic was to bullrush/try to pin him in the corner, which was actually quite effective. But there were two major problems. 1. It became obvious that Shaq didn't have stopping power. 2. He left himself open to major powershots each time which were easy connects for a world class fighter like Mosley. You remove the gloves and the headgear, Shaq's going to be facedown after a punch like the one at 0:15. Even with Shaq's 16" height and 170 lb weight advantage(Mosley is 5'8 154 lbs), it's easy for Mosley to lean back and land a devastating counter punch with Shaq swarming him on the ropes.

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Bull rushing your opponent in boxing when you have a size advantage is just delaying the inevitable if the gap in skill is very large.

Connor McGregor did a similar thing to Floyd Mayweather.

It's more of a rule exploit in boxing than a real fighting tactic.

[mcmokken]

I think the more interesting question is how much training would Zion need to close the gap to be able to win.

[HeartBreakKid]

Yeah, the tank wins almost every fight not in the movies.

A few years ago, just for promotion, there was a video of McGregor sparring with The Mountain of Game of Thrones fame. Also known as the world's strongest man. And what was comically obvious was that despite being at the time maybe the best fighter of his weight class in the world, there was absolutely nothing he could do with a man of that size. Now admittedly that man is so massive he makes Zion look like a 90lb weakling (6'9" 400lb) but it was still instructive. One of the comments down there had it about right -- it looked like a father play-fighting with his son. there must have been some no grappling rules, because a few times Thor got hold of him and that would have been the utter end of the fight and McGregor's existence if it were a real fight, but he immediately released him rather than bodyslamming him. otherwise the "fight" would have been over in about 20 seconds.

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Popular entertainment tells us too many amusing lies sometimes. No, Bruce Lee could not take down 200 guys, even coming at him 1 at a time. No 5'2" little Buffy could not actually beat the stuffing out of all those full grown moster-men. And no a buck 45 fighter isn't taking down a 300lb monster without a weapon or a bunch of friends. There's actually kind of a fighting sweetspot with a perfect combination of power and quickness somewhere in the 190-210 sort of range that can be dangerous to nearly any human. But 145 is just too small. You land blows on a huge human and they barely even feel them at that size. Its like asking if he could beat up a silverback gorilla. No he couldn't, and I'd hate to be the one cleaning up the mess after it was over.

Conor McGregor is not 145 points. You think when he fights for a belt he just gets off the couch and goes there - what do you think cutting weight is?


This is not comparable at all to someone saying Bruce Lee can destroy 100 guys. Bruce Lee isn't a real fighter, and the size difference between him and McGregor is much larger than him and Zion Williamson. Since you probably do not follow combat sports, I'll explain to you that at lower weight classes the gap in say, 20 pounds is much larger than in heavier weight classes - so I am not exaggerating when I say Bruce Lee is much smaller than McGregor than McGregor is Zion.

Furthermore, Bruce Lee, despite being an actor, actually did beat up people much larger than himself. Connor McGregor - is an actual fighter, and can, and has, beaten up people much larger than himself. He does it all the time in training at the very least.

Fighting is a science, much more scientific than basketball - and people have this assumption that everyone can it like it is Track and Field. It's not like track and field, fighting isn't actually intuitive. Wailing your fist isn't real fighting, and it will never work against another athlete who knows how to fight, and wouldn't even work against street fighters.

[magicman1978]

There are people saying all Zion needs to do is land a punch or slam McGregor. There's less than a 1% chance the either of those things happen. You're underestimating the amount of training MMA fighters go through to get to where they are at. Any attempt by Zion to punch McGregor is easily countered. Any attempt to slam him is easily avoided or may result in broken bones for Zion. If Zion went through some training then we can talk. Without any fight training, it's not a fair fight.

[Gooner]

Zion's getting submitted or a busted knee unless there's a box of krispy kreme on the line.

I don't think McGregor can submit him, Zion is too strong. It's extremely hard to wrestle against someone who is 10 kg heavier than you, let alone with somoene literally twice your weight and 25 cm taller.

Within the first ten seconds it can be hard.

After that? It's pretty easy. If someone has never grappled before they will get tired incredibly quickly. Heck, if someone never boxed before they'll get tired just from throwing punches, much less wrestling.

A brown belt in Jiu Jitsu would beat someone much bigger than them on the ground. It is actually what Jiu Jitsu was designed to do.

Of course, but that would not even be a real fight, because of an unfair physical advantage. There are weight classes for a reason.

[Winsome Gerbil]

Yeah, the tank wins almost every fight not in the movies.

A few years ago, just for promotion, there was a video of McGregor sparring with The Mountain of Game of Thrones fame. Also known as the world's strongest man. And what was comically obvious was that despite being at the time maybe the best fighter of his weight class in the world, there was absolutely nothing he could do with a man of that size. Now admittedly that man is so massive he makes Zion look like a 90lb weakling (6'9" 400lb) but it was still instructive. One of the comments down there had it about right -- it looked like a father play-fighting with his son. there must have been some no grappling rules, because a few times Thor got hold of him and that would have been the utter end of the fight and McGregor's existence if it were a real fight, but he immediately released him rather than bodyslamming him. otherwise the "fight" would have been over in about 20 seconds.

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Popular entertainment tells us too many amusing lies sometimes. No, Bruce Lee could not take down 200 guys, even coming at him 1 at a time. No 5'2" little Buffy could not actually beat the stuffing out of all those full grown moster-men. And no a buck 45 fighter isn't taking down a 300lb monster without a weapon or a bunch of friends. There's actually kind of a fighting sweetspot with a perfect combination of power and quickness somewhere in the 190-210 sort of range that can be dangerous to nearly any human. But 145 is just too small. You land blows on a huge human and they barely even feel them at that size. Its like asking if he could beat up a silverback gorilla. No he couldn't, and I'd hate to be the one cleaning up the mess after it was over.

Conor McGregor is not 145 points.

154? hardly makes a difference for these kind of dispariites.

[magicman1978]

Conor McGregor is not 145 pounds.

yeah, his walk around weight was around 175 when he was cutting to 145 to make weight. He can't make 145 anymore. He came in 170 against Cerrone and cut about 10-15lbs.

[HeartBreakKid]

Yeah, the tank wins almost every fight not in the movies.

A few years ago, just for promotion, there was a video of McGregor sparring with The Mountain of Game of Thrones fame. Also known as the world's strongest man. And what was comically obvious was that despite being at the time maybe the best fighter of his weight class in the world, there was absolutely nothing he could do with a man of that size. Now admittedly that man is so massive he makes Zion look like a 90lb weakling (6'9" 400lb) but it was still instructive. One of the comments down there had it about right -- it looked like a father play-fighting with his son. there must have been some no grappling rules, because a few times Thor got hold of him and that would have been the utter end of the fight and McGregor's existence if it were a real fight, but he immediately released him rather than bodyslamming him. otherwise the "fight" would have been over in about 20 seconds.

Watch on YouTube

Popular entertainment tells us too many amusing lies sometimes. No, Bruce Lee could not take down 200 guys, even coming at him 1 at a time. No 5'2" little Buffy could not actually beat the stuffing out of all those full grown moster-men. And no a buck 45 fighter isn't taking down a 300lb monster without a weapon or a bunch of friends. There's actually kind of a fighting sweetspot with a perfect combination of power and quickness somewhere in the 190-210 sort of range that can be dangerous to nearly any human. But 145 is just too small. You land blows on a huge human and they barely even feel them at that size. Its like asking if he could beat up a silverback gorilla. No he couldn't, and I'd hate to be the one cleaning up the mess after it was over.

Conor McGregor is not 145 points.

154? hardly makes a difference for these kind of dispariites.

I'm guessing you do not know anything about combat sports. I mean you can literally just look at McGregor and tell he is not 155.

I will spell it out to you. If someone is fighting in the 155 pound division, they are actually 190 pounds usually. No one fights at their walking weight unless it's for **** and giggles.

McGregor is at a minimum 180 pounds. 145 pounds is like what Manny Pacqiao is.

[prophet_of_rage]

McGregor is a professional fighter.

We have no clue if Zion is skilled in fighting.

Zion is enormous. He doesn't need to be that skilled in fighting when he's 9 inches taller and 100+ pounds heavier. He could pick McGregor up and slam him onto the ground in a back alley fight.

As if Zion would get the chance to pick up McGregor.

Some of you guys really underestimate fighting skill.

Size isn't everything.

Some overestimate it. Back alley fights usually end up on the ground. McGregor has to get inside Zion and take him down to try to get his back. Will his punches hurt Zion who is 100 pounds heavier and musculat so that he can get Zions back. On the other hand can Zion get a grip on McGregor and smash or slam him before McGregor can get a hit on a vulnerable part like a knee or his neck?

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[Gooner]

There are people saying all Zion needs to do is land a punch or slam McGregor. There's less than a 1% chance the either of those things happen. You're underestimating the amount of training MMA fighters go through to get to where they are at. Any attempt by Zion to punch McGregor is easily countered. Any attempt to slam him is easily avoided or may result in broken bones for Zion. If Zion went through some training then we can talk. Without any fight training, it's not a fair fight.

Zion could absolutely slam McGregor, he can't defend against that kind of power man. Just imagine how strong Zion is, 280 pounds of pure strength and athleticism. You can have all the techinique in the world, but it's like fighting a bear, it doesn't really matter.

[prophet_of_rage]

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I think there's about a zero percent chance that McGregor wins a back alley fight with a pro athlete literally twice as heavy as him. They have weight classes in UFC for a reason.

But it won't be a brawl from McGregor's point of view. He would be smart and stay on the outside and then most likely get some good shots in from the outside, and it will be game over.

That leaves Connor jabbing which won't hurt Zion. He's going to have to get inside at some point.

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[BigDocta898]

I think there's about a zero percent chance that McGregor wins a back alley fight with a pro athlete literally twice as heavy as him. They have weight classes in UFC for a reason.

I can see why you would think that, but you're actually very wrong.

Zion could literally just smash Connors head off a brick wall with ease. Connor couldn't even do much damage to zion

[magicman1978]

There are people saying all Zion needs to do is land a punch or slam McGregor. There's less than a 1% chance the either of those things happen. You're underestimating the amount of training MMA fighters go through to get to where they are at. Any attempt by Zion to punch McGregor is easily countered. Any attempt to slam him is easily avoided or may result in broken bones for Zion. If Zion went through some training then we can talk. Without any fight training, it's not a fair fight.

Zion could absolutely slam McGregor, he can't defend against that kind of power man. Just imagine how strong Zion is, 280 pounds of pure strength and athleticism. You can have all the techinique in the world, but it's like fighting a bear, it doesn't really matter.

You have no idea what it would take to slam a world class trained fighter. Even if he is able to pick up McGregor, he's not going to be able to get a cleanly slam him to the ground. McGregor is more likely to break Zion's arm/wrist/etc. It would be very easy for a highly trained fighter to turn the tables on someone trying to slam him.