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Re: Cammo Counts Down The Top 100 MMA Fighters of All Time 

Post#41 » by REDDzone » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:46 am

Jasen777 wrote:[Haynes was also naturally a weight class or two below Bisping (even though Bisping dropped a class). He also fought Ross (who despite throwing bombs) is a career 6-17 and last fought at lightweight


And had also already lost on the show and fought up a weight class because someone else didn't fight for some reason.

Hendricks is the #2 ww right at this moment, second best in possibly the best weight class >>>> anything Bisping has ever done or will ever do.
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Post#42 » by Cammo101 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:44 am

#78 - Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto

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Before there was Dominick Cruz and Miguel Torres, Kid Yamamoto was the dominate fighter in the Bantamweight division. He has fought in the UFC, K-1 Heroes and Shooto; where his career record stands at 18-6. Between 2001 and 2008 hoever, Yamamoto was 17-1 and among the pound for pound best in MMA. He holds career victories over Jeff Curran, Jadamba Narantungalag, Caol Uno, Genki Sudo, Bibiano Fernandes, and Rani Yahya. It is a shame that the UFC did not have a Bantamweight division while Yamamoto was in his prime, or he would likely have become a huge star.
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Post#43 » by Cammo101 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:49 am

#77 - Joachim "Hellboy" Hansen

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A former Shooto and Dream champion, Joachim Hansen also starred in Pride. He is one of the most accomplished fighters never to set foot in the UFC's octagon. He holds a career record of 22-11, with wins over Shinya Aoki, Yves Edwards, Caol Uno, JZ Cavalcante, and Takanori Gomi. Despite starting his career in 1999, he is still only 33 years old.
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Post#44 » by Cammo101 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:12 pm

#76 - Hector Lombard

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Long time Bellator Middleweight champion, Hector Lombard has been a dominate force in MMA and is one of the best strikers. He holds a career record of 32-4, with wins over Rousimar Palhares, Alexander Shlemenko, Brian Ebersole, and James Te Huna.
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Post#45 » by Cammo101 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:35 am

#75 - Vitor "Shaolin" Ribeiro

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MMA's first true star in the Lightweight division, Vitor Ribeiro was the Shooto champion at 155 pounds. He ended his career at 20-5, but at one point he was a staggering 19-1. He holds career wins over Joachim Hansen, Ivan Menjivar, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Eddie Yagan, and Eiji Mitsuoka. One of the first stars out of Nova Uniao, Shaolin is one of the big UFC what if stories.
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Post#46 » by CPT » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:09 am

The last 3 guys being ahead of Hendricks is ridiculous.

Kid Yamamoto was a star at least. Hellboy and Shaolin? Guy who recently lost to Tim Boestch? GTFO.
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Post#47 » by Cammo101 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:41 am

CPT wrote:The last 3 guys being ahead of Hendricks is ridiculous.

Kid Yamamoto was a star at least. Hellboy and Shaolin? Guy who recently lost to Tim Boestch? GTFO.


Shaolin was the best fighter in the world in his weight class for a while. We can't (yet) say that about Hendricks. And we all know Lombard did not really lose to Boetsch.

Hendricks is awesome, but he is hurt by having only a partial resume.
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Post#48 » by Cammo101 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:47 am

#74 - Hatsu Hioki

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Hatsu Hioki is the former Shooto and Sengoku champion, and one of the best Featherweights in MMA history. Hioki has long been a star in Japan, with a record of 26-6. He holds wins over Marlon Sandro, Rumina Sato, Takeshi Inoue, and Mark Hominick twice.
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Post#49 » by CPT » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:50 am

By definition, any fighter still active has a "partial resume." Hendricks' happens to be better than pretty much everyone ranked after him.

If every fighter on this list retired today, Hellboy Hansen had a better career than Johny Hendricks? Hector Lombard?

If Shaolin was the top fighter at LW for a period, it was on a technicality, like the UFC abandoning their LW division, BJ Penn vacationing at WW, and Gomi losing two in a row between double digit win streaks. He may have been up there for a while, but I don't think he was widely recognized as the best LW in the sport for any sustained period of time.

I'm not really trying to discredit the other guys, because I like and respect all of them, but it seems I have to in order to make a case for Hendricks.
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Post#50 » by REDDzone » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:49 pm

Cammo101 wrote:Shaolin was the best fighter in the world in his weight class for a while. We can't (yet) say that about Hendricks.


Hendricks is 2nd right now (I'm perfectly fine saying that since he beat Condit), Bisping has never been within a few spots of 2nd in a weaker division. But Bisping is ranked ahead of him?
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Post#51 » by Cammo101 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:50 pm

All active guys do have a partial resume by definition, but in Hendrick's case, it really hurts. I have little doubt that Hendricks will fly up this list in the next couple years, but as of right now he has never held a title, or even fought for one. There are a lot of guys who have had very good runs similar to what Hendricks has and not been able to keep it up. Thiago Alves for example.

I see the argument for Hendricks, I just think he is hurt by being a relative newcomer. Guys like Hansen and Lombard have held titles in major organizations.

I think you are underselling Shaolin in particular quite a bit. He was the original Lightweight killer and along with Gomi and BJ, were the dominate forces in that division for a good long time. Sadly, the UFC was not able to get Gomi and Shaolin into the UFC when all 3 were in their prime.
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Post#52 » by Cammo101 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:52 pm

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Cammo101 wrote:Shaolin was the best fighter in the world in his weight class for a while. We can't (yet) say that about Hendricks.


Hendricks is 2nd right now (I'm perfectly fine saying that since he beat Condit), Bisping has never been within a few spots of 2nd in a weaker division. But Bisping is ranked ahead of him?


You could list a lot of guys who have been second at WW for a few months before GSP sent them back down the rung. WW has a revolving door at #2. Hardy, Koscheck, Alves, Hughes, Serra, Diaz, Condit, Hendricks...

Bisping has sustained over a much longer period of time and has been pretty damn close to a title shot on a few occasions. He just has the bad habit of losing at the worst possible time.
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Post#53 » by CPT » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:55 pm

I think you're confusing #1 contender to the UFC WW title with #2 WW in the world.

Guys like Hardy, Koscheck, Serra, Diaz have all been there, but they got there via "this guy has some decent wins and there's nobody else GSP hasn't fought yet," not by actually taking out top 5 guys. Hardy got his shot because he beat Mike Swick FFS.

Again, Fitch, Condit, Koscheck, Kampmann. All in their primes when he fought them. All in the top 5 at the time of their fight. Say he loses his title fight with GSP and decides to hang them up. That's still like a top 50 resume. If he wins, we're talking top 20-30.

And about Bisping. He doesn't have a bad habit of losing at the worst possible time. He loses to guys better than him. Consistently. And beats guys below him. Consistently. Another guy that works his way into the top 5 by beating fringe top 10 guys, and once he fights someone actually at an elite level, he gets smacked back down.
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Post#54 » by REDDzone » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:03 pm

Being second in arguably the best division in the sport for a couple of months >>>> being top 10 at middleweight for awhile (by beating guys no longer in the ufc like Rivera and Mayhem) and losing to the good fighters

How many top 10 wins does Bisping have? Hendricks has like 5 in a row. Does Bisping even have any?
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Post#55 » by NZB2323 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:28 pm

I'd put Chael Sonnen ahead of Hector Lombard. Sonnen, like Lombard, was a champion of a lesser organization, albiet unofficially, and he's had much more success in the UFC than Lombard. He dominated Yushin Okami and Nate Marquart, and made Anderson Silva look human. What's Lombard's best accomplishment? A win streak against non-top 10 guys? A win over Palhares? I know that using MMA math is dumb, but Sonnen destroyed Okami, who beat Lombard recently. If Sonnen were matched up against Lombard, Sonnen would be a big favorite.
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Post#56 » by Cammo101 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:21 pm

NZB2323 wrote:I'd put Chael Sonnen ahead of Hector Lombard. Sonnen, like Lombard, was a champion of a lesser organization, albiet unofficially, and he's had much more success in the UFC than Lombard. He dominated Yushin Okami and Nate Marquart, and made Anderson Silva look human. What's Lombard's best accomplishment? A win streak against non-top 10 guys? A win over Palhares? I know that using MMA math is dumb, but Sonnen destroyed Okami, who beat Lombard recently. If Sonnen were matched up against Lombard, Sonnen would be a big favorite.


If Sonnen had actually been the WEC champ, he probably would have been ahead of Lombard. Sonnen's issues, unlike almost everyone else, is his resume before getting to the UFC, not after.
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Post#57 » by Cammo101 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:27 pm

#73 - Mike Thomas Brown

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Mike Thomas Brown is a former WEC Featherweight champion and current UFC Featherweight. He is one of only two people in the world to hold multiple wins over Urijah Faber, and he has also beaten Jeff Curran, Yves Edwards, and Mark Hominick. His career record is 26-8, with a 2-3 record in the UFC and a 6-2 record in the WEC.
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Post#58 » by SDM » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:34 pm

Yeah, Sonnen's resume wasn't all that great before getting to UFC. I thought he'd be a one or two and done guy. But steroids are the great equalizer.
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Post#59 » by Cammo101 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:17 am

#72 - Marco "The King of the Streets" Ruas

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Marco Ruas was one of the pioneers of MMA, especially in Brazil. He was one of the early stars of the UFC, and won the UFC 7 tournament by winning 3 fights in one night. Like many of the early fighters from Brazil, his record is incomplete, having fought many fights in Brazil that are unaccounted for. Ruas' official record is 9-4, with wins over Paul Varelans, Keith Hackney, Jason Lambert, Patrick Smith, and Gary Goodridge. He also fought to an exciting draw against UFC great Oleg Taktarov in WVC, which he was the champion of at the time.
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Post#60 » by Cammo101 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:53 am

#71 - Eddie Alvarez

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One of the best boxers in the history of the Lightweight division, Eddie Alvarez has been a standout in the Dream promotion and a champion in Bellator. He has a career record of 24-3, with wins over Shinya Aoki, Pat Curran, Tatsuya Kawajiri, and Joachim Hansen.

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