Boxing Thread 3.0

cowboyronnie · Post #441 » by **cowboyronnie** » Fri Jun 1, 2012 1:04 am

"under his belt"? 20 amateur fights is nothing, man. There are guys in my gym who do that in 6 months - 3 fights a month, one week rest, repeat. we're talking 3 round bouts with head gear and 12 oz gloves and 8 counts. some of these guys picked up the sport 6 mos prior. he was clearly a prodigy, hence him rising in the amateur ranks. but that doesn't equal experience.

he is spending a lot of his pro years essentially getting those initial fight experiences in - Judah, Mayweather, Cotto...we're talkign hundreds of fights combined as amateurs...serious pedigree. Canelo virtually jumped straight into the pros.

Butch718 · Post #442 » by **Butch718** » Fri Jun 1, 2012 2:01 am

I'm just responding to you stating that he had zero fights as an amateur, which simply isn't true. Dude has been a pro for 6 years already. Now matter how you slice it, that's experience. Or are we going to simply discredit that fact because he didn't spend enough time in the amateurs? Which is a tad bit unfair IMO. He's one of the rare exceptions of a fighter being able to jump straight to the pros after a brief stint in the amateurs, and that's due to how polished he was at such a young age.

And again, how much longer is he supposed to wait before he fights someone like Kirkland? BTW, Kirkland is being severely overrated from his Angulo performance. Forget about the Ishida loss, this was the same guy that was recently out boxed by Molina, before that ridiculous ref gifted him that BS disqualification.

As a boxing fan I'm glad this fight is happening. People keep criticizing Canelo for being protected too much. Well, it's about time they take the kid gloves off and give him some decent competition for once. Now we get to see if he truly is as good as they say he is or if he's some mere hype job.

HasheemThabeet · Post #443 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Fri Jun 1, 2012 5:54 pm

and James Kirkland injures his shoulder again while training so the Canelo/Kirkland fight gets canceled. His shoulder is damaged goods now

skflives · Post #444 » by **skflives** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 1:56 pm

I figured as much. He was the first guy they turned to but he didn't want the fight because his shoulder wouldn't be ready. I guess they changed his mind by offering more money but if the shoulder isn't right it isn't right.

Butch718 · Post #445 » by **Butch718** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 12:01 am

I've been reading conflicting reports. Some reports are saying his shoulder isn't right, while others are stating that he wasn't actually hurt and pulled out because he thought he wasn't making enough money. He supposedly wanted 2.5 million to be exact. Anyway, if it's the latter then this guy is delusional. Fact of the matter is Kirkland isn't a draw anywhere. He has no mainstream appeal and has absolutely no following. Canelo is the draw, plain and simple. He's lucky that he was originally scheduled to make a little over 1 million. He's lucky he even got the Canelo fight, who is probably the forth biggest draw in the sport behind Floyd, Manny and Cotto.

Seriously though. I hope it's because his shoulder is actually hurt and it's not because he's getting faulty advice from him handlers.

http://www.boxingscene.com/disappointme ... ney--53525

Butch718 · Post #446 » by **Butch718** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 12:04 am

Anyway, rumored replacements are Lara, Trout and Bundrage.

Lara, is way too risky. I'll be really surprised if GBP sets up that fight.

HasheemThabeet · Post #447 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 3:15 am

Just say no to Austin Trout

skflives · Post #448 » by **skflives** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:11 am

Butch718 wrote:Anyway, rumored replacements are Lara, Trout and Bundrage.

Lara, is way too risky. I'll be really surprised if GBP sets up that fight.

We all know whose going to get that fight. Whomever wins between Bundrage and Spinks is going to earn the right to get massacred by Canelo in September.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #449 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 6:59 pm

I was most impressed with Leo Santa Cruz last night. Excellent work rate and a very good body puncher. Exciting fighter to watch in the bantamweight division.

Trout/Rodriguez was a boring fight. Rodriguez was tentative and he couldn't land anything on Trout, who has good defensive skills but doesn't bring much to the table offensively. After the fight, Trout called out Saul Alvarez but I can't see him getting the fight after that snoozefest. Last I heard, GB is still trying to give Kirkland the fight.

Quillin had a decent performance against Wright, whose legs looked shot halfway through the fight. He should probably hang up the gloves. The fight was better than I thought it would be but I had low expectations. I don't see Quillin as a top 8 guy at 160 right now.

Tarver/Kayode was off and on. The fight had its moments but it just failed as a main event of a "Championship Boxing" broadcast for me. I thought the fight was pretty easy to score. Kayode took the first 5 rounds based on activity and Tarver not doing anything. Tarver then started to take over the fight for the next several rounds, even stinging Kayode a couple of times. The last couple rounds could've gone either way, so I have no problems with the draw result at all.

HasheemThabeet · Post #450 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 8:12 pm

Have 0 doubts that Golden Boy still wants to give the fight to Kirkland, it is passable as a pay per view fight. Canelo vs. Trout/Bundrage/Spinks isn't worth jack crap

Butch718 · Post #451 » by **Butch718** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 8:35 pm

Kirkland gets demolished by a feather fisted Ishida, beats a punched out Angulo, was losing to Molina before he was gifted a disqualification win, has no following and wants 2.5 million for a Canelo fight? Yup, I think this guy was hit in the head one too many times if he actually thinks he deserves that. He should fire his advisers because he was lucky to have landed the Alavarez fight in the first place.

Butch718 · Post #452 » by **Butch718** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 8:37 pm

HasheemThabeet wrote:Have 0 doubts that Golden Boy still wants to give the fight to Kirkland, it is passable as a pay per view fight. Canelo vs. Trout/Bundrage/Spinks isn't worth jack crap

Barely passable since Kirkland has no real following. All those match ups are late night HBO fights. Not PPV quality match ups.

HasheemThabeet · Post #453 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 9:28 pm

I personally would not pay for a Kirkland/Canelo PPV fight, I agree that it's not at that quality. But it is still passable on PPV due to the type of fighter that Kirkland is. It's an easily marketable fight where you got a hype kid, a good caliber fighter who likes to brawl so it'll probably end with a knockout. 2.4 mil or whatever he's asking for is absurd but I can see why he's holding out for more money, with Trout murdering his chances last night there is no good alternative outside of Kirkland. Canelo vs. the other possible guy are not PPV or Sept 15 worthy

skflives · Post #454 » by **skflives** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 3:06 am

Don't take this personally but when the f*ck did a fight not being ppv worthy prevent many such fights being put on PPV? It hasn't stopped promoters b4, it won't stop them now and it won't stop them in the future. Canelo is the box office star here. You could bring in a guy who flips burgers for a living to fight Canelo on PPV and there will be hundreds of thousands of his fans paying for that fight.

Butch718 · Post #455 » by **Butch718** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 3:31 am

HasheemThabeet wrote:I personally would not pay for a Kirkland/Canelo PPV fight, I agree that it's not at that quality. But it is still passable on PPV due to the type of fighter that Kirkland is. It's an easily marketable fight where you got a hype kid, a good caliber fighter who likes to brawl so it'll probably end with a knockout. 2.4 mil or whatever he's asking for is absurd but I can see why he's holding out for more money, with Trout murdering his chances last night there is no good alternative outside of Kirkland. Canelo vs. the other possible guy are not PPV or Sept 15 worthy

Oh I agree. It won't be hard to market the fight. After all, just look at all the BS that has been sold to the public in the last couple of years. Pac/Mosley, Pac/Clottey, Pac/Margarito, Mayweather/Ortiz, Hopkins/Dawson, Hopkins/Jones, etc.

And to skflives, no need for using expletives to prove your point. We know no one is going to stop promoters from putting out BS PPV's. We also know that dedicated Canelo fans will watch his fights no matter what. No one was arguing that point. Just stating that it's not worthy of paying 50 plus bucks, when it's basically a late night HBO fight at best. In fact, there aren't many worthy potential PPV match ups out there at the moment.

HasheemThabeet · Post #456 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 4:21 am

I'm not saying that they won't put the other fights on PPV, I know they will make people pay for that crap. I'm saying that those other fights are gonna sell like crap and be awful watch. This is Canelo's first time carrying a big time card, it's supposed to be a launching point and not a bore fest.

and while we're on the subject of marketing, the marketing for Bradley/Pac has been non existent

skflives · Post #457 » by **skflives** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 2:37 pm

Butch718 wrote:
HasheemThabeet wrote:I personally would not pay for a Kirkland/Canelo PPV fight, I agree that it's not at that quality. But it is still passable on PPV due to the type of fighter that Kirkland is. It's an easily marketable fight where you got a hype kid, a good caliber fighter who likes to brawl so it'll probably end with a knockout. 2.4 mil or whatever he's asking for is absurd but I can see why he's holding out for more money, with Trout murdering his chances last night there is no good alternative outside of Kirkland. Canelo vs. the other possible guy are not PPV or Sept 15 worthy

Oh I agree. It won't be hard to market the fight. After all, just look at all the BS that has been sold to the public in the last couple of years. Pac/Mosley, Pac/Clottey, Pac/Margarito, Mayweather/Ortiz, Hopkins/Dawson, Hopkins/Jones, etc.

And to skflives, no need for using expletives to prove your point. We know no one is going to stop promoters from putting out BS PPV's. We also know that dedicated Canelo fans will watch his fights no matter what. No one was arguing that point. Just stating that it's not worthy of paying 50 plus bucks, when it's basically a late night HBO fight at best. In fact, there aren't many worthy potential PPV match ups out there at the moment.

I agree but for the sake of argument I really don't see any difference between me saying f*ck and you saying BS. Everyone knows what BS refers to so you're still cursing in my opinion.

Nemesis21 · Post #458 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 9:19 pm

Kirkland pulls out of fight vs Saul Alvarez,

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/79 ... der-injury

skflives · Post #459 » by **skflives** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 12:20 pm

Wow. Its amazing how little anyone seems to care about Pac-man/Bradley on this board. Its this Saturday and there is nary a peep about it.

vi3t · Post #460 » by **vi3t** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 6:10 am

I'm excited for it, Bradley's been talking a lot of sh*t lately, I'd love to see Pacquiao knock this guy out