Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[kobe_vs_jordan]

The guy's voting for Zion to win are the same dudes that show up in those "how would you do 1 on 1 vs pros" threads and insist that they could take Tony Allen at the park. No, you can't take Tony Allen at the park. He looks bad at offense because you only see him play against the literal best defenders on the entire planet. Same with McGregor. We've seen him fight professional fighters. You can't compare his performance against other fighters, because Zion is a hooper not a fighter.

Not surprisingly I recognize at least one poster from the "Zion is too big for Conor!" camp who has also claimed that he could take on Jason Terry 1v1. There's no way of convincing these guy that professionals in their respective sports are just on another level.

Think OP is a little confusing. He says back alley brawl in title then talks about a 3 round MMA fight in the post. Zion doesn't have much of a chance in an organized fight.

A close quarter area, where guys fighting because they bumped is a different type of fighting.

[Picasso]

The guy's voting for Zion to win are the same dudes that show up in those "how would you do 1 on 1 vs pros" threads and insist that they could take Tony Allen at the park. No, you can't take Tony Allen at the park. He looks bad at offense because you only see him play against the literal best defenders on the entire planet. Same with McGregor. We've seen him fight professional fighters. You can't compare his performance against other fighters, because Zion is a hooper not a fighter.

Not surprisingly I recognize at least one poster from the "Zion is too big for Conor!" camp who has also claimed that he could take on Jason Terry 1v1. There's no way of convincing these guy that professionals in their respective sports are just on another level.

Think OP is a little confusing. He says back alley brawl in title then talks about a 3 round MMA fight in the post. Zion doesn't have much of a chance in an organized fight.

A close quarter area, where guys fighting because they bumped is a different type of fighting.

And outside of a punchers chance Mcgreggor has the advantage by far. And I dont like Mcgreggor.

[vagelis]

Zion wins with the first punch. He is strong and explosive

[Johnny Firpo]

McGregor, because he is a welterweight and probably middleweight when he is not preparing for a fight. So the weight difference while big, it's not enormous. I think Zion would totally kill a real featherweight though, if his life were depending on it. At one point the height and weight difference is too big to overcome in a brawl, it's just that you have to get lower than a welter or middleweight. None of you would obviously say that the best martial artist little person in the world could take on Zion, even if he would be more skilled than any other fighter in the history of combat sports. At one point size/weight/athleticism trumps skill. The only question is, where is that cutoff point. I think it's at the featherweight divison/weight.

[Collymore]

There are probably plenty of guys on this forum who would take out McG in a back alley brawl. Small guys with experience from fighting limited by a strict rule book doesn't last long out in the real world. It's like when the PhD:s enter the job market and realize that 95 percent of what they know is useless.

[Wagonband]

People saying Zion are just trolling at this point. Or they have no idea what martial arts are.

[NO-KG-AI]

McGregor, because he is a welterweight and probably middleweight when he is not preparing for a fight. So the weight difference while big, it's not enormous. I think Zion would totally kill a real featherweight though, if his life were depending on it. At one point the height and weight difference is too big to overcome in a brawl, it's just that you have to get lower than a welter or middleweight. None of you would obviously say that the best martial artist little person in the world could take on Zion, even if he would be more skilled than any other fighter in the history of combat sports. At one point size/weight/athleticism trumps skill. The only question is, where is that cutoff point. I think it's at the featherweight divison/weight.

You've never had a BJJ practitioner snatch a leg. Someone like Mighty Mouse could easily grab his leg and roll, and his choice is either go down and engage in a BJJ match with his leg already getting twisted, or stand there and lose all his ligaments I don't care what you think about size, if Zion rolls with MM on the ground, he's losing.

It's ridiculously easy to roll up someone's knee/ankle if they don't know how to defend it for leg lock experts.

[_Game7_]

Size means nothing in a fight with a trained fighter. It would be over quickly, a straight one two should do the trick.

[_Game7_]

Honestly Zion’s life would be in danger. I trained boxing for years, and done bjj for a very short stint. One nicely placed kick or a perfect placed punch could very well kill a untrained meat head like Zion. You must understand this is what McGregor does for a living, things would get bloody really fast.

[Duke4life831]

There are probably plenty of guys on this forum who would take out McG in a back alley brawl. Small guys with experience from fighting limited by a strict rule book doesn't last long out in the real world. It's like when the PhD:s enter the job market and realize that 95 percent of what they know is useless.

Please tell me you just forgot the green font with this post.

[NO-KG-AI]

There are probably plenty of guys on this forum who would take out McG in a back alley brawl. Small guys with experience from fighting limited by a strict rule book doesn't last long out in the real world. It's like when the PhD:s enter the job market and realize that 95 percent of what they know is useless.

Please tell me you just forgot the green font with this post.

Those "real world" techniques that dudes know from the sTreetz bro

[Johnny Firpo]

McGregor, because he is a welterweight and probably middleweight when he is not preparing for a fight. So the weight difference while big, it's not enormous. I think Zion would totally kill a real featherweight though, if his life were depending on it. At one point the height and weight difference is too big to overcome in a brawl, it's just that you have to get lower than a welter or middleweight. None of you would obviously say that the best martial artist little person in the world could take on Zion, even if he would be more skilled than any other fighter in the history of combat sports. At one point size/weight/athleticism trumps skill. The only question is, where is that cutoff point. I think it's at the featherweight divison/weight.

You've never had a BJJ practitioner snatch a leg. Someone like Mighty Mouse could easily grab his leg and roll, and his choice is either go down and engage in a BJJ match with his leg already getting twisted, or stand there and lose all his ligaments I don't care what you think about size, if Zion rolls with MM on the ground, he's losing.

It's ridiculously easy to roll up someone's knee/ankle if they don't know how to defend it for leg lock experts.

So where do you think weight/height comes into the picture? It never? Surely you don't mean a child could beat up Zion, no matter how skilled they are. Do you think a female jiu-jitsu champion would beat Zion in a brawl, if his life was depending on it?

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Lol @ this thread. I can't stand McGregor and would love to see him get pulverized but it's not gonna happen. Beyond the overwhelming training/experience deficit, styles make fights and McGregor's crisp/accurate/powerful counter-striking is fkn kryptonite for an untrained combatant. I'd actually give Zion a better chance vs Khabib, even though Khabib beats Conor 9/10 times, simply because Khabib is a grappling-based fighter and the size disparity works more to Zion's advantage in that scenario (Khabib still strangles him or takes a limb home, but at least Zion has a tiny window of opportunity to brute force him here)

But bum rushing a professional counter-striker is just suicide

[BenoUdrihFTL]

For perspective, a 5'9" 170 lbs BJJ-based fighter Roger Huerta instantly obliterated a Texas Longhorns linebacker in a streetfight years back

https://www.tmz.com/2010/08/04/ex-ufc-star-in-bloody-street-fight-roger-huerta-austin-texas-video/

Huerta could've literally killed the guy had the crowd not intervened

[SichtingLives]

This thread would be a lot more interesting if it were about Greg Hardy.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

How is this thread almost 30 pages? I don't know if Zion has ever been in a fight in his entire life let alone any training so putting him up against a professional knockout artist, one of the best in the entire world at what he does and somebody who stood toe to toe with Floyd Mayweather without being humiliated, it's no contest. One thing I miss about early MMA were the "freak show" fights where there would be huge size differences between the fighters and if you watched those fights you'd know that the more skilled guy pretty much 100% of time wrecks the much bigger fighter. PRIDE use to have a bunch of fights like that back in the day, makes the fighters seem larger than life I think since it's hard quantify how much more skilled they are than the regular person against someone similarly skilled around the same size.

One of my favorite MMA pics:




One thing the MMA heavyweight division has demonstrated is that there's eventual diminishing returns on size. The top of the HW food chain has always been around 225-245 lbs give or take, even though guys can theoretically enter the cage/ring north of 285 lbs after rehydrating. Yet the super-giants are routinely outclassed by the elite smaller/midsized HWs because assuming equal skill, the speed/quickness/cardio deficits start becoming too much for the biggest guys. Extra size always brings opportunity cost in the fight game, and ~250 lbs seems to be the point where that cost starts to outweigh the size benefits. Brock Lesnar was an outlier in that he was near 300 lbs in-cage while also an NFL combine superfreak, but even he was destroyed by the much smaller Cain Velasquez

[Galloisdaman]

I think there's about a zero percent chance that McGregor wins a back alley fight with a pro athlete literally twice as heavy as him. They have weight classes in UFC for a reason.

Go ask this former college football player how it worked out going against a MMA guy half his size.

https://www.tmz.com/2010/08/04/ufc-president-dana-white-roger-huerta-street-fight-parking-lot-brawl-video-statement/

McGregor couldn't even knock out an old grandpa in a pub.

This thread reminds me of when I was in high school and I fought a 120 pound golden gloves fighter in my friends backyard. I definitely had the size advantage. In my mind if I could just land 1 hard punch I could knock him out. I was 100% wrong. I got so frustrated I tried to wrestle him. That did not go well either lol.

A better thread years ago was could Lebron out wrestle Ronda Rousey. Short answer is no.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

How is this thread almost 30 pages? I don't know if Zion has ever been in a fight in his entire life let alone any training so putting him up against a professional knockout artist, one of the best in the entire world at what he does and somebody who stood toe to toe with Floyd Mayweather without being humiliated, it's no contest. One thing I miss about early MMA were the "freak show" fights where there would be huge size differences between the fighters and if you watched those fights you'd know that the more skilled guy pretty much 100% of time wrecks the much bigger fighter. PRIDE use to have a bunch of fights like that back in the day, makes the fighters seem larger than life I think since it's hard quantify how much more skilled they are than the regular person against someone similarly skilled around the same size.

One of my favorite MMA pics:




One thing the MMA heavyweight division has demonstrated is that there's eventual diminishing returns on size. The top of the HW food chain has always been around 225-245 lbs give or take, even though guys can theoretically enter the cage/ring north of 285 lbs after rehydrating. Yet the super-giants are routinely outclassed by the elite smaller/midsized HWs because assuming equal skill, the speed/quickness/cardio deficits start becoming too much for the biggest guys. Extra size always brings opportunity cost in the fight game, and ~250 lbs seems to be the point where that cost starts to outweigh the size benefits. Brock Lesnar was an outlier in that he was near 300 lbs in-cage while also an NFL combine superfreak, but even he was destroyed by the much smaller Cain Velasquez

also because the real A level athletes, the ones who would need to cut to 20-30 pounds to make 265, are choosing other, more lucrative careers.
Think a guy with LeBron body type, with en extra 20-30 pounts of muscle, but fully dedicated to MMA

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Spoiler:

How is this thread almost 30 pages? I don't know if Zion has ever been in a fight in his entire life let alone any training so putting him up against a professional knockout artist, one of the best in the entire world at what he does and somebody who stood toe to toe with Floyd Mayweather without being humiliated, it's no contest. One thing I miss about early MMA were the "freak show" fights where there would be huge size differences between the fighters and if you watched those fights you'd know that the more skilled guy pretty much 100% of time wrecks the much bigger fighter. PRIDE use to have a bunch of fights like that back in the day, makes the fighters seem larger than life I think since it's hard quantify how much more skilled they are than the regular person against someone similarly skilled around the same size.

One of my favorite MMA pics:




One thing the MMA heavyweight division has demonstrated is that there's eventual diminishing returns on size. The top of the HW food chain has always been around 225-245 lbs give or take, even though guys can theoretically enter the cage/ring north of 285 lbs after rehydrating. Yet the super-giants are routinely outclassed by the elite smaller/midsized HWs because assuming equal skill, the speed/quickness/cardio deficits start becoming too much for the biggest guys. Extra size always brings opportunity cost in the fight game, and ~250 lbs seems to be the point where that cost starts to outweigh the size benefits. Brock Lesnar was an outlier in that he was near 300 lbs in-cage while also an NFL combine superfreak, but even he was destroyed by the much smaller Cain Velasquez

also because the real A level athletes, the ones who would need to cut to 20-30 pounds to make 265, are choosing other, more lucrative careers.
Think a guy with LeBron body type, with en extra 20-30 pounts of muscle, but fully dedicated to MMA

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Spoiler:

[LakersLegacy]

If anyone could overcome being smaller its McGregor. He would need to take Zion down and get on top of him. Back alley brawl to me indicates dirty fighting. McGregor would be even more dangerous if he could go for the eyes or do dirty things that Zion has probably never even thought of.