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REDDzone · Post #641 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:08 pm

I was very impressed with Edwards btw. In addition to this striking, he has great hips and is well-rounded for a Euro fighter.

Susan · Post #642 » by **Susan** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:08 am

REDDzone wrote:I'm not the type of dude to excuse guys because of their background (zomg you don't make fun of a Dagestani! He's from Dagestan!!1111) but I knew that sh*t was going to happen when I heard Edwards yelling at Masvidal. Jorge is AS about that life as anyone in the UFC.

I have a buddy who had a cup of coffee in the UFC who used to train with JM a little bit and he told us that JM used to tell stories about how he used to rob people when he was younger. LIke, just casually talking about how he would straight up jack people on the streets. Also, I remember posting on this board about how Jorge was telling Ariel how often he street fights and he ALWAYS goes for the sucker punch when he street fights. KO the guy then jet out, that's his self-admitted M.O. Finally, the world literally met Masvidal in a Kimbo street fight video where he beat up "Ray". LOL.

Not condoning it at all, but it's a fact of life if you come at him in a certain type of way, it's going to end with you getting slapped up side your head. He claims he walked up with his hands behind his back to show that he wasn't threatening him but I believe he was doing that in order to land a sucker punch.

I'm happy that he has been able to make a good life for himself through this sport.

Post #643 » by **Headliner** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:38 am

He’s a scumbag plain and simple

Bernman · Post #644 » by **Bernman** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:18 am

Susan wrote:I'm happy that he has been able to make a good life for himself through this sport.

That's why you have to ambivalent about guys like Brett Rogers, Greg Hardy, and Thiago Silva getting repeated opportunities in contact sports. The alternative is they could be out on the street where people who aren't interested in fighting are going to be confronted by them. When you're in their way or they need something from you there's going to be an unpleasant incident + the state is going to have to pay for their stay. So contact sports it is. Just hope they don't do PEDs but do get their block knocked off by a guy who signed up for it and has the spirit of a martial artist in them.

High 5 · Post #645 » by **High 5** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:09 am

Bernman wrote:
Susan wrote:I'm happy that he has been able to make a good life for himself through this sport.

That's why you have to ambivalent about guys like Brett Rogers, Greg Hardy, and Thiago Silva getting repeated opportunities in contact sports. The alternative is they could be out on the street where people who aren't interested in fighting are going to be confronted by them. When you're in their way or they need something from you there's going to be an unpleasant incident + the state is going to have to pay for their stay. So contact sports it is. Just hope they don't do PEDs but do get their block knocked off by a guy who signed up for it and has the spirit of a martial artist in them.

I don't know about that one. Having a violent profession didn't keep Rogers or Hardy from committing horrifically violent crimes against their "loved" ones. And we're talking about a fighter who couldn't resist punching someone during an ESPN interview. These guys aren't locked up in a gym when they aren't fighting.

REDDzone · Post #646 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:34 pm

I just believe in second chances. I don't know the details of what Greg Hardy did, but should he just never be allowed to work again because he did it? I know that people aren't arguing that here, but pretty sure that fat sports guy Jay was arguing that he shouldn't even be allowed to train MMA lol.

Masvidal has obviously made a pretty good life for himself, he hasn't been in any trouble as far as I'm aware outside of this. People were saying Edwards raised his hands first IDK if I see that in the clip but end of the day it's two fighters fighting I guess. At least he wasn't Usmanning a bunch of fans in the crowd or throwing dollies at innocents or something.

REDDzone · Post #647 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:38 pm

Bernman wrote:
Susan wrote:I'm happy that he has been able to make a good life for himself through this sport.

That's why you have to ambivalent about guys like Brett Rogers, Greg Hardy, and Thiago Silva getting repeated opportunities in contact sports. The alternative is they could be out on the street where people who aren't interested in fighting are going to be confronted by them. When you're in their way or they need something from you there's going to be an unpleasant incident + the state is going to have to pay for their stay. So contact sports it is. Just hope they don't do PEDs but do get their block knocked off by a guy who signed up for it and has the spirit of a martial artist in them.

I feel like you have a good point but chose some of the worst examples possible to make it LOL just because guys like Rogers and Silva got in trouble once their MMA careers began to fall apart. Hardy hasn't been in trouble since he started MMA so that's a good one. Sooooo many examples of troubled kids who grew up to be decent adults after getting into MMA. Gus was a gang banger and spent time in jail. Manuwa spent time in jail. Brian Ortega was a troublemaker who got expelled from highschool IIRC. Could go on and on with this.

Post #648 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:47 pm

I only saw the highlights, but the highlights basically looked like Till working Masvidal over until the KO. Was that inaccurate?

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Bernman · Post #649 » by **Bernman** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:09 pm

REDDzone wrote:I feel like you have a good point but chose some of the worst examples possible to make it LOL just because guys like Rogers and Silva got in trouble once their MMA careers began to fall apart. Hardy hasn't been in trouble since he started MMA so that's a good one. Sooooo many examples of troubled kids who grew up to be decent adults after getting into MMA. Gus was a gang banger and spent time in jail. Manuwa spent time in jail. Brian Ortega was a troublemaker who got expelled from highschool IIRC. Could go on and on with this.

You think what Hardy and Rogers did projected to them not robbing out on the street if they were hungry or slanging dope? Maybe Hardy is intelligent enough to have alternatives, but Rogers didn't strike me as the brightest bulb.

Post #650 » by **Shaazzam** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:12 pm

Yeah, it's better for these guys to get severe brain damage so then they can go crazy and wipe out their whole family all at once.

REDDzone · Post #651 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:16 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:I only saw the highlights, but the highlights basically looked like Till working Masvidal over until the KO. Was that inaccurate?

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Till was controlling the fight IMO for the first 3 or so minutes but Masvidal was coming on strong at the end of the first. I thought he shook Till up with a few shots late in the first.

REDDzone · Post #652 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:18 pm

Bernman wrote:
REDDzone wrote:I feel like you have a good point but chose some of the worst examples possible to make it LOL just because guys like Rogers and Silva got in trouble once their MMA careers began to fall apart. Hardy hasn't been in trouble since he started MMA so that's a good one. Sooooo many examples of troubled kids who grew up to be decent adults after getting into MMA. Gus was a gang banger and spent time in jail. Manuwa spent time in jail. Brian Ortega was a troublemaker who got expelled from highschool IIRC. Could go on and on with this.

You think what Hardy and Rogers did projected to them not robbing out on the street if they were hungry or slanging dope? Maybe Hardy is intelligent enough to have alternatives, but Rogers didn't strike me as the brightest bulb.

Maybe I don't even understand your argument. I thought you were saying MMA kept these guys from taking their aggression out on non fighters. However in 2 of the 3 cases you cited, those guys committed their crimes after training/fighting MMA.

REDDzone · Post #653 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:19 pm

Shaazzam wrote:Yeah, it's better for these guys to get severe brain damage so then they can go crazy and wipe out their whole family all at once.

What's the solution then?

Bernman · Post #654 » by **Bernman** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:44 pm

REDDzone wrote:Maybe I don't even understand your argument. I thought you were saying MMA kept these guys from taking their aggression out on non fighters. However in 2 of the 3 cases you cited, those guys committed their crimes after training/fighting MMA.

My point was about them being out on the street with needs/wants without the revenue source of mma so they'd have no qualms pulling off strong-arm robberies, or they're just going to confront people out in the world that they'd get into incidents with more. Yeah, it sucks they've also committed violence in the home too. So put them in prison for as long as they deserve for that. When they're out they don't need to be out on the streets too, having their homes and all jobs away to compound.

This is a myopic mistake made w/ convicted child molesters too. For the non borderline cases they should get way harsher punishments on average and get put away for life because it's a crime w/ such a high recidivism rate. But when they're outside all the residential and job restrictions they end up out on the streets or in shanty towns and end up offending at higher rates. Similar principle applies here.

REDDzone · Post #655 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:46 pm

Bernman wrote:My point was about them being out on the street with needs/wants without the revenue source of mma so they'd have no qualms pulling off strong-arm robberies, or they're just going to confront people out in the world that they'd get into incidents with more. Yeah, it sucks they've also committed violence in the home too. So put them in prison for as long as they deserve for that. When they're out they don't need to be out on the streets too, having their homes and all jobs away to compound.

Right. That's why I argued there were better examples to cite with guys like Gus or Manuwa who got out of the system by getting into the sport of MMA. And have also stayed out of trouble since joining. Anyway, we are agreeing here for the most part so I'll shut up.

Bernman · Post #656 » by **Bernman** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:52 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Bernman wrote:My point was about them being out on the street with needs/wants without the revenue source of mma so they'd have no qualms pulling off strong-arm robberies, or they're just going to confront people out in the world that they'd get into incidents with more. Yeah, it sucks they've also committed violence in the home too. So put them in prison for as long as they deserve for that. When they're out they don't need to be out on the streets too, having their homes and all jobs away to compound.

Right. That's why I argued there were better examples to cite with guys like Gus or Manuwa who got out of the system by getting into the sport of MMA. And have also stayed out of trouble since joining. Anyway, we are agreeing here for the most part so I'll shut up.

You always have to look for fights. It's better off you're here picking them with MMA nerds than out on the street wreaking real havoc. Point furthered.

Post #657 » by **Shaazzam** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:56 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Shaazzam wrote:Yeah, it's better for these guys to get severe brain damage so then they can go crazy and wipe out their whole family all at once.

What's the solution then?

lol i dunno man
bad dudes are bad dudes
adding brain damage to the equation can produce frightening results
sport and martial arts can provide purpose and stability

Bernman · Post #658 » by **Bernman** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:03 pm

Is ww the spiciest it's been since the rivalries between GSP/Hughes/Penn? Happened pretty much overnight too.

REDDzone · Post #659 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:16 pm

Bernman wrote:
REDDzone wrote:
Bernman wrote:My point was about them being out on the street with needs/wants without the revenue source of mma so they'd have no qualms pulling off strong-arm robberies, or they're just going to confront people out in the world that they'd get into incidents with more. Yeah, it sucks they've also committed violence in the home too. So put them in prison for as long as they deserve for that. When they're out they don't need to be out on the streets too, having their homes and all jobs away to compound.

Right. That's why I argued there were better examples to cite with guys like Gus or Manuwa who got out of the system by getting into the sport of MMA. And have also stayed out of trouble since joining. Anyway, we are agreeing here for the most part so I'll shut up.

You always have to look for fights. It's better off you're here picking them with MMA nerds than out on the street wreaking real havoc. Point furthered.

I've been working on worm guard lately. Can't wait to try that on the streetz.

Susan · Post #660 » by **Susan** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:48 am

Headliner wrote:He’s a scumbag plain and simple

It's a sport where you have to be a scumbag to another person.