Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Not surprisingly I recognize at least one poster from the "Zion is too big for Conor!" camp who has also claimed that he could take on Jason Terry 1v1. There's no way of convincing these guy that professionals in their respective sports are just on another level.

Think OP is a little confusing. He says back alley brawl in title then talks about a 3 round MMA fight in the post. Zion doesn't have much of a chance in an organized fight.

A close quarter area, where guys fighting because they bumped is a different type of fighting.

And outside of a punchers chance Mcgreggor has the advantage by far. And I dont like Mcgreggor.

I been watching UFC before there were weight classes. Mcgreggor is a great striker who a lil lacking in power . We aren't talking about some Royce Gracie type of grappler submission artist here. I haven't seen much to say he could counter somebody twice his size in a close quartered fight. He going to jump and hit zion? Can he knock him out?

Now somebody like Khabib vs Zion? I can see Khabib being able to grapple and submit somebody twice his size not matter the fighting space.

[playaloc916]

There are probably plenty of guys on this forum who would take out McG in a back alley brawl. Small guys with experience from fighting limited by a strict rule book doesn't last long out in the real world. It's like when the PhD:s enter the job market and realize that 95 percent of what they know is useless.

Please tell me you just forgot the green font with this post.

Those "real world" techniques that dudes know from the sTreetz bro

Zion gonna pull out the full back alley brawl repertoire... sucker punches, groin shots, eye gouges, biting, and worst of all... nipple twists.

[agentofatlas]

Think OP is a little confusing. He says back alley brawl in title then talks about a 3 round MMA fight in the post. Zion doesn't have much of a chance in an organized fight.

A close quarter area, where guys fighting because they bumped is a different type of fighting.

And outside of a punchers chance Mcgreggor has the advantage by far. And I dont like Mcgreggor.

I been watching UFC before there were weight classes. Mcgreggor is a great striker who a lil lacking in power . We aren't talking about some Royce Gracie type of grappler submission artist here. I haven't seen much to say he could counter somebody twice his size in a close quartered fight. He going to jump and hit zion? Can he knock him out?

Now somebody like Khabib vs Zion? I can see Khabib being able to grapple and submit somebody twice his size not matter the fighting space.

Connor is a very solid grappler. Hell he was able to sweep Nate. Also he trains with Danis, who is a world class grappler and a very good leglocker. That's why I assume Connor at least knows how to do a heel hook.

[aggo]

Conor, easy.

without any training Conor just needs a body lock, single, double, 1 hook, and could execute any simple judo throw or drag down. from there it wouldn't even matter if Conor ended up on the bottom at first.

and we have no idea if Zion could be trained enough to eat kicks or knees. or even if he has a chin. there are probably 155lb guys who've never done a single athletic thing in their life but have granite chins. they just dont know it... but some 200lb elite Olympic level athlete could have a glass chin.

[J___Av]

And outside of a punchers chance Mcgreggor has the advantage by far. And I dont like Mcgreggor.

I been watching UFC before there were weight classes. Mcgreggor is a great striker who a lil lacking in power . We aren't talking about some Royce Gracie type of grappler submission artist here. I haven't seen much to say he could counter somebody twice his size in a close quartered fight. He going to jump and hit zion? Can he knock him out?

Now somebody like Khabib vs Zion? I can see Khabib being able to grapple and submit somebody twice his size not matter the fighting space.

Connor is a very solid grappler. Hell he was able to sweep Nate. Also he trains with Danis, who is a world class grappler and a very good leglocker. That's why I assume Connor at least knows how to do a heel hook.

Conor is solid grappler compared to the average LW in the UFC. He is below average for the top 10. His biggest problem is he has very little heart and gives up very quickly

[J___Av]

McGregor, because he is a welterweight and probably middleweight when he is not preparing for a fight. So the weight difference while big, it's not enormous. I think Zion would totally kill a real featherweight though, if his life were depending on it. At one point the height and weight difference is too big to overcome in a brawl, it's just that you have to get lower than a welter or middleweight. None of you would obviously say that the best martial artist little person in the world could take on Zion, even if he would be more skilled than any other fighter in the history of combat sports. At one point size/weight/athleticism trumps skill. The only question is, where is that cutoff point. I think it's at the featherweight divison/weight.

LOL at you thinking Conor is a WW. Just because he fought 2 LWs at WW for some reason doesn't make him a real LW. He cuts from 175LB. 110LB difference is MASSIVE

But Conor would win because he is a trained fighter or Zion wins because Conor is his usual black out drunk self stumbling around

[Johnny Firpo]

McGregor, because he is a welterweight and probably middleweight when he is not preparing for a fight. So the weight difference while big, it's not enormous. I think Zion would totally kill a real featherweight though, if his life were depending on it. At one point the height and weight difference is too big to overcome in a brawl, it's just that you have to get lower than a welter or middleweight. None of you would obviously say that the best martial artist little person in the world could take on Zion, even if he would be more skilled than any other fighter in the history of combat sports. At one point size/weight/athleticism trumps skill. The only question is, where is that cutoff point. I think it's at the featherweight divison/weight.

LOL at you thinking Conor is a WW. Just because he fought 2 LWs at WW for some reason doesn't make him a real LW. He cuts from 175LB. 110LB difference is MASSIVE

But Conor would win because he is a trained fighter or Zion wins because Conor is his usual black out drunk self stumbling around

Alright, so where is the cutoff point? Surely you are not saying the most skilled martial artist little person could take on Zion, right? Where is the cutoff point?

[TheExpat]

No. Zion can't beat McGregor in a fight. Even prime Shaq loses that fight badly. Either one of them would have to get extremely lucky to beat any top-notch MMA fighter in any kind of physical confrontation.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I been watching UFC before there were weight classes. Mcgreggor is a great striker who a lil lacking in power . We aren't talking about some Royce Gracie type of grappler submission artist here. I haven't seen much to say he could counter somebody twice his size in a close quartered fight. He going to jump and hit zion? Can he knock him out?

Now somebody like Khabib vs Zion? I can see Khabib being able to grapple and submit somebody twice his size not matter the fighting space.

Connor is a very solid grappler. Hell he was able to sweep Nate. Also he trains with Danis, who is a world class grappler and a very good leglocker. That's why I assume Connor at least knows how to do a heel hook.

Conor is solid grappler compared to the average LW in the UFC. He is below average for the top 10. His biggest problem is he has very little heart and gives up very quickly

still like 1000000 better than an untrained person

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[brutalitops]

Okay if it's all about size. Does a 6'6 220 pound James Harden beat Conor?

What a terrible comparison. Zion is one of the strongest players in the league and moves 7 footers with ease on a nightly basis.

He is a legit 280lbs plus of muscle. Now what part of that sounds at all like Harden?

Zion grabs Connor and its over.

>Implying the many black belt Ju Jitsu fighters who have worked all their lives to grab people have struggled but Zion is suddenly a world class wrestler

[brutalitops]

Think OP is a little confusing. He says back alley brawl in title then talks about a 3 round MMA fight in the post. Zion doesn't have much of a chance in an organized fight.

A close quarter area, where guys fighting because they bumped is a different type of fighting.

And outside of a punchers chance Mcgreggor has the advantage by far. And I dont like Mcgreggor.

I been watching UFC before there were weight classes. Mcgreggor is a great striker who a lil lacking in power . We aren't talking about some Royce Gracie type of grappler submission artist here. I haven't seen much to say he could counter somebody twice his size in a close quartered fight. He going to jump and hit zion? Can he knock him out?

Now somebody like Khabib vs Zion? I can see Khabib being able to grapple and submit somebody twice his size not matter the fighting space.

Apparently Khabibs workouts are wrestling with a top notch wrestler for 10m, then swapping to a fresh guy for 10m, then swapping to another guy for 10m.

No wonder he grinds everyone into dust

[Picasso]

McGregor, because he is a welterweight and probably middleweight when he is not preparing for a fight. So the weight difference while big, it's not enormous. I think Zion would totally kill a real featherweight though, if his life were depending on it. At one point the height and weight difference is too big to overcome in a brawl, it's just that you have to get lower than a welter or middleweight. None of you would obviously say that the best martial artist little person in the world could take on Zion, even if he would be more skilled than any other fighter in the history of combat sports. At one point size/weight/athleticism trumps skill. The only question is, where is that cutoff point. I think it's at the featherweight divison/weight.

LOL at you thinking Conor is a WW. Just because he fought 2 LWs at WW for some reason doesn't make him a real LW. He cuts from 175LB. 110LB difference is MASSIVE

But Conor would win because he is a trained fighter or Zion wins because Conor is his usual black out drunk self stumbling around

Alright, so where is the cutoff point? Surely you are not saying the most skilled martial artist little person could take on Zion, right? Where is the cutoff point?

Just out of curiosity, what real life fight experience does zion have. Wrestling, Boxing, Any type of martial arts?

Also, do you think oscar Dela Hoya can beat Zion in basketball? I mean, I've seen oscar play basketball before, and hes an athlete. Surely he or Roy Jones Jr. Who has a basketball court in his house can beat Zion at basketball? Wait, the pride and joy of New Orleand himself, Percy "Master P" Miller doesnt need his rap fame and multi million dollar business ventures, especially after playing in the NBA for the Raptors. He surely can beat Zion at basketball right?

Sounds dumb right? At least I give Zion a punchers chance, same as everyone else. But no way does he beat a top level world champion fighter in any arena of their skill, be it MMA, Boxing, Baseball, Hockey, Ballet dancing, chess, cheerleading.

Dont put yourselves in the category of the fools who thought Mcgreggor could beat Floyd Mayweatjer in boxing. One person is good to great at what they do, going into another realm that they are not good at.

Master P has a better chance of beating Zion in basketball than Zion has of beating Mcgreggor. Hell Glass Joe would probably knock him out. Haha

[cdubbz]

I’ll still be the fool who bets on Zion. Underdog for sure.

[SAKURABA216]

Could a 145lb man even knock out a 280lb man.

I don't think it's even possible, he can't generate enough force.

Feel free to list the fights that a guy KO'ed another guy that's 135lbs heavier. Because I don't think many of those fights exist. If any.

Yes, KOing someone does require a certain amount of power, but more importantly it requires accuracy and technique and if you watch some recent UFC you will see very quickly that starting at around the 135lb class, there are some absolute killers that have insane amounts of KO power. Hell, I think Amanda Nunes could knock Zion out if she landed the right combination on him. Again, this is no knock against Zion, but elite level fighters are just absolute beasts and have evolved so much over the past 15 years since the first UFCs.

[Wallace_Wallace]

Please tell me you just forgot the green font with this post.

Those "real world" techniques that dudes know from the sTreetz bro

Zion gonna pull out the full back alley brawl repertoire... sucker punches, groin shots, eye gouges, biting, and worst of all... nipple twists.

I'm imagining a ref saying this before the match, "Watch out for any low blows, kidney punches, cheap shots, and nipple twists."

[Johnny Firpo]

LOL at you thinking Conor is a WW. Just because he fought 2 LWs at WW for some reason doesn't make him a real LW. He cuts from 175LB. 110LB difference is MASSIVE

But Conor would win because he is a trained fighter or Zion wins because Conor is his usual black out drunk self stumbling around

Alright, so where is the cutoff point? Surely you are not saying the most skilled martial artist little person could take on Zion, right? Where is the cutoff point?

Just out of curiosity, what real life fight experience does zion have. Wrestling, Boxing, Any type of martial arts?

Also, do you think oscar Dela Hoya can beat Zion in basketball? I mean, I've seen oscar play basketball before, and hes an athlete. Surely he or Roy Jones Jr. Who has a basketball court in his house can beat Zion at basketball? Wait, the pride and joy of New Orleand himself, Percy "Master P" Miller doesnt need his rap fame and multi million dollar business ventures, especially after playing in the NBA for the Raptors. He surely can beat Zion at basketball right?

Sounds dumb right? At least I give Zion a punchers chance, same as everyone else. But no way does he beat a top level world champion fighter in any arena of their skill, be it MMA, Boxing, Baseball, Hockey, Ballet dancing, chess, cheerleading.

Dont put yourselves in the category of the fools who thought Mcgreggor could beat Floyd Mayweatjer in boxing. One person is good to great at what they do, going into another realm that they are not good at.

Master P has a better chance of beating Zion in basketball than Zion has of beating Mcgreggor. Hell Glass Joe would probably knock him out. Haha

I am on the opinion that McGregor would beat Zion. I just think there is a cutoff point. My example was simple, take the most skilled kid or little person martial artist. Say, a 60 pound little person, or an 80 pound kid. Surely you guys wouldn't bet on them, right? Even if they were insanely skilled. So obviously there is a cutoff point where strength, athleticism trumps any skill. In your opinion, where is that cutoff point?

[Patsfan1081]

Think OP is a little confusing. He says back alley brawl in title then talks about a 3 round MMA fight in the post. Zion doesn't have much of a chance in an organized fight.

A close quarter area, where guys fighting because they bumped is a different type of fighting.

And outside of a punchers chance Mcgreggor has the advantage by far. And I dont like Mcgreggor.

I been watching UFC before there were weight classes. Mcgreggor is a great striker who a lil lacking in power . We aren't talking about some Royce Gracie type of grappler submission artist here. I haven't seen much to say he could counter somebody twice his size in a close quartered fight. He going to jump and hit zion? Can he knock him out?

Now somebody like Khabib vs Zion? I can see Khabib being able to grapple and submit somebody twice his size not matter the fighting space.

That hardly matters one bit. Walk into any gym if you haven’t trained grappling and try to take on even a yellow belt that’s half your size down and I guarantee you would be on your ass in a second. Even if McGregor doesn’t have a lengthy grappling background he’s practice enough takedown defense and how to use his weight/footwork in close quarters. Even if by some chance Zion did get him to the ground he’ll leave his arm or neck in the wrong position.

[Patsfan1081]

Alright, so where is the cutoff point? Surely you are not saying the most skilled martial artist little person could take on Zion, right? Where is the cutoff point?

Just out of curiosity, what real life fight experience does zion have. Wrestling, Boxing, Any type of martial arts?

Also, do you think oscar Dela Hoya can beat Zion in basketball? I mean, I've seen oscar play basketball before, and hes an athlete. Surely he or Roy Jones Jr. Who has a basketball court in his house can beat Zion at basketball? Wait, the pride and joy of New Orleand himself, Percy "Master P" Miller doesnt need his rap fame and multi million dollar business ventures, especially after playing in the NBA for the Raptors. He surely can beat Zion at basketball right?

Sounds dumb right? At least I give Zion a punchers chance, same as everyone else. But no way does he beat a top level world champion fighter in any arena of their skill, be it MMA, Boxing, Baseball, Hockey, Ballet dancing, chess, cheerleading.

Dont put yourselves in the category of the fools who thought Mcgreggor could beat Floyd Mayweatjer in boxing. One person is good to great at what they do, going into another realm that they are not good at.

Master P has a better chance of beating Zion in basketball than Zion has of beating Mcgreggor. Hell Glass Joe would probably knock him out. Haha

I am on the opinion that McGregor would beat Zion. I just think there is a cutoff point. My example was simple, take the most skilled kid or little person martial artist. Say, a 60 pound little person, or an 80 pound kid. Surely you guys wouldn't bet on them, right? Even if they were insanely skilled. So obviously there is a cutoff point where strength, athleticism trumps any skill. In your opinion, where is that cutoff point?

Well a 400 lb Butterbean was submitted by a 150 lb brown belt. Butterbean is tubby but he’s also extremely strong, and this happened when he was in his prime. Even the most athletic person is susceptible to having there arm or ankle broken if contorted.

[Duke4life831]

Am I the only one still in awe that someone on here thinks multiple people on this board could take Conor in a fight? That is one of the most absurd things I've ever seen on here.

[SF_Warriors]

Alright, so where is the cutoff point? Surely you are not saying the most skilled martial artist little person could take on Zion, right? Where is the cutoff point?

Just out of curiosity, what real life fight experience does zion have. Wrestling, Boxing, Any type of martial arts?

Also, do you think oscar Dela Hoya can beat Zion in basketball? I mean, I've seen oscar play basketball before, and hes an athlete. Surely he or Roy Jones Jr. Who has a basketball court in his house can beat Zion at basketball? Wait, the pride and joy of New Orleand himself, Percy "Master P" Miller doesnt need his rap fame and multi million dollar business ventures, especially after playing in the NBA for the Raptors. He surely can beat Zion at basketball right?

Sounds dumb right? At least I give Zion a punchers chance, same as everyone else. But no way does he beat a top level world champion fighter in any arena of their skill, be it MMA, Boxing, Baseball, Hockey, Ballet dancing, chess, cheerleading.

Dont put yourselves in the category of the fools who thought Mcgreggor could beat Floyd Mayweatjer in boxing. One person is good to great at what they do, going into another realm that they are not good at.

Master P has a better chance of beating Zion in basketball than Zion has of beating Mcgreggor. Hell Glass Joe would probably knock him out. Haha

I am on the opinion that McGregor would beat Zion. I just think there is a cutoff point. My example was simple, take the most skilled kid or little person martial artist. Say, a 60 pound little person, or an 80 pound kid. Surely you guys wouldn't bet on them, right? Even if they were insanely skilled. So obviously there is a cutoff point where strength, athleticism trumps any skill. In your opinion, where is that cutoff point?

That is an interesting point. I'm sure maybe if we were to put zion against a young teen or something like that where lack of experience may also be in play along with lack of strength even with great skill.. I don't think that cutoff point is a 170 lb grown man who is a seasoned, ufc championship level fighter though. What we need to take into consideration as well is that zion is a young, inexperienced guy as well who may not have as much training as say, another nba player who has been boxing in the offseason throughout his prime. A lot of variables in play here, obviously, and you definitely have to give both guys a chance. I don't think it would be an easy win for either. I feel like the winner probably takes some type of damage.