Bellator General Discussion and Info

REDDzone · Post #681 » by **REDDzone** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:14 am

BTW Bern, Anthony frowns at your decisions to dislike his valuable training partner Askren.

Cammo101 · Post #682 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:23 am

Douglas Lima looked great tonight. Is it just me or is the talent level way down in this season's tournaments? There are like 2 decent guys in each and the rest feel like filler.

Also, I was pretty surprised to see they are burying the FightMaster finale on the PPV undercard. Is that going to be on Spike?

ShowtimeFan · Post #683 » by **ShowtimeFan** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:12 pm

Sanders cannot get past Lima and yes Lima cannot get past Askern...

Same pattern for the last two years, something has to change,

Askern or Lima to the UFC would be great!

Jasen777 · Post #684 » by **Jasen777** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:20 pm

Cammo101 wrote:Also, I was pretty surprised to see they are burying the FightMaster finale on the PPV undercard. Is that going to be on Spike?

I think they said it would be on Spike.

Cammo101 · Post #685 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:03 pm

Jasen777 wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:Also, I was pretty surprised to see they are burying the FightMaster finale on the PPV undercard. Is that going to be on Spike?

I think they said it would be on Spike.

That would make a lot more sense.

ShowtimeFan · Post #686 » by **ShowtimeFan** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:57 am

Let's hope the Bellator PPV flops!

Don't buy it...

If it is a success, then all their title fights will be PPV

And the regular TV shows will have even more filler & mis-matches...

cowboyronnie · Post #687 » by **cowboyronnie** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:38 am

Bernman wrote:
REDDzone wrote:Saunders must be my second favorite fighter. Nobody else puts me on edge like he does besides Anthony.

GD it. Hope we never see those two fight again. Also hope Askren goes to the ufc so Lima can fight someone else. Exciting fighter.

That was BRUTAL. Much more than the last time even.

Killa B. is a good dude. I feel bad for him to take that much punishment. That fight should have been stopped early either due to the original kd and gnp, or the eye closing. Referee Jason Herzog should have consulted the doctor when there was a break in the action. But it seemed like he had a blood lust based on a couple fights tonight.

I keep saying it, Lima may not warrant a top 10 ranking, but he's a top 10 ww worldwide, a top 3 striker at ww worldwide, and probably the hardest hitter. It's not Hendricks. He only beats you with punches. Lima does it with punches and kicks. Hendricks had plenty of decisions, even when he was facing the opposition he was on the come up. So it's not the competition that's creating these efficient ko's for Lima. He's just that big of a hitter. And he's so technical. Mixes it up, uses the jab, throws in combination, keeps the right range, has his hands up, and backs away at distance or stays tight in close. He's just a phenomonal striker.

I agree on much of this. If not a late stoppage, what the **** was Herzog doing dragging Saunders to his feet after the fight to stand for the reading of the winner? No sense at all. The guy was such a mess. In pain and confused and totally lacking dignity.

I thought of Hendricks too, funnily enough. The guy doesn't have what Lima has. The kicks from both guys were just ridiculous this fight. You could see Saunders having to suppress his responses after a bunch of them. Most of us would just **** our pants and run. And Lima's KO ratio - flat-out KOs and vicious ones - must be nuts. I remember him in MFC leaving dudes twitching.

If only he could wrestle, of course.

A great fight and a fearsome performance. Wow. Douglas Lima. A liver punch/head kick combo for the crumpling KO.

Bernman · Post #688 » by **Bernman** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:11 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:I agree on much of this. If not a late stoppage, what the **** was Herzog doing dragging Saunders to his feet after the fight to stand for the reading of the winner? No sense at all. The guy was such a mess. In pain and confused and totally lacking dignity.

I thought of Hendricks too, funnily enough. The guy doesn't have what Lima has. The kicks from both guys were just ridiculous this fight. You could see Saunders having to suppress his responses after a bunch of them. Most of us would just **** our pants and run. And Lima's KO ratio - flat-out KOs and vicious ones - must be nuts. I remember him in MFC leaving dudes twitching.

If only he could wrestle, of course.

A great fight and a fearsome performance. Wow. Douglas Lima. A liver punch/head kick combo for the crumpling KO.

Here's the brutal ko ratio we're discussing, in gif form for us men who like our visuals for perspective and to excite.

Unless you were an olympic wrestler, marathoner, or bjj world champion; you should not agree to fight this man.

Cammo101 · Post #689 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:42 am

Seriously, can Bellator please stop referring to Joe Warren as the baddest man on the planet. It is cringe worthy.

REDDzone · Post #690 » by **REDDzone** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:18 pm

Cammo101 wrote:Seriously, can Bellator please stop referring to Joe Warren as the baddest man on the planet. It is cringe worthy.

Are you one of those who think LeBron James is actually a king? Or that Ronaldo Souza is actually an alligator?

Post #691 » by **CPT** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:40 am

Watched my first full Bellator event (well, televised main card) in quite a while today. The next round of the LW tournament should be pretty good. Hoped to see more of Tiger Sarnaivsky(?), but the way he handled Davis was pretty impressive in its own right.

Warren vs. Marx is another fight I'll be interested to see, since I've always had this (perhaps outdated) idea that Joe Warren is good, and I found out today that Marx is top 10 in the division, but I can't remember anything about him.

Cammo101 · Post #692 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:58 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:Seriously, can Bellator please stop referring to Joe Warren as the baddest man on the planet. It is cringe worthy.

Are you one of those who think LeBron James is actually a king? Or that Ronaldo Souza is actually an alligator?

No, but I am someone who thinks you can't be called the baddest man on the planet if you get brutally KOed by every decent fighter you fight.

Cammo101 · Post #693 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:59 pm

CPT wrote:Watched my first full Bellator event (well, televised main card) in quite a while today. The next round of the LW tournament should be pretty good. Hoped to see more of Tiger Sarnaivsky(?), but the way he handled Davis was pretty impressive in its own right.

Warren vs. Marx is another fight I'll be interested to see, since I've always had this (perhaps outdated) idea that Joe Warren is good, and I found out today that Marx is top 10 in the division, but I can't remember anything about him.

Marx is absolutely not top 10 in his division. Good fighter though.

Post #694 » by **CPT** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:43 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
CPT wrote:Watched my first full Bellator event (well, televised main card) in quite a while today. The next round of the LW tournament should be pretty good. Hoped to see more of Tiger Sarnaivsky(?), but the way he handled Davis was pretty impressive in its own right.

Warren vs. Marx is another fight I'll be interested to see, since I've always had this (perhaps outdated) idea that Joe Warren is good, and I found out today that Marx is top 10 in the division, but I can't remember anything about him.

Marx is absolutely not top 10 in his division. Good fighter though.

Any idea why FightMatrix has him there, then? I looked at his record and can't figure it out. Most outliers on that site have one huge win that boosts their score. Maybe his is just sheer number of fights? BW doesn't seem super deep either.

Bernman · Post #695 » by **Bernman** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:55 pm

CPT wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:
CPT wrote:Watched my first full Bellator event (well, televised main card) in quite a while today. The next round of the LW tournament should be pretty good. Hoped to see more of Tiger Sarnaivsky(?), but the way he handled Davis was pretty impressive in its own right.

Warren vs. Marx is another fight I'll be interested to see, since I've always had this (perhaps outdated) idea that Joe Warren is good, and I found out today that Marx is top 10 in the division, but I can't remember anything about him.

Marx is absolutely not top 10 in his division. Good fighter though.

Any idea why FightMatrix has him there, then? I looked at his record and can't figure it out. Most outliers on that site have one huge win that boosts their score. Maybe his is just sheer number of fights? BW doesn't seem super deep either.

Yeah, look at the UFC top 10. Wasn't Menjivar just there at #10 before BFC cast-off Wilson Reis beat him? #8 is Mike Easton, who lost to Bellator cast-off Chase Beebe in reality (who lost to Marx BTW). #5 is Assuncao, #6 Pickett, #7 Jorgensen, #9 Dillashaw, #10 MIzugaki. It's a super weak division toward the top. Does it really seem outlandish that Marx could be top 10, then? I think he beats Warren to solidify it. BTW, his big rankings' booster was Ueda. I think he was top 10. Then Galvao laddered off him. That's the way Fight Matrix works, in addition to boosting you incrementally for continuing to beat opposition with good records. It's not a perfect system, but at least it's consistent, and that makes it better than the Sherdog rankings which will move you up a bunch of places because the UFC just announced you're in a title fight and they need to sell it better.

Cammo101 · Post #696 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 3:34 am

1. Dominick Cruz
2. Renan Barao
3. Urijah Faber
4. Bibiano Fernandes
5. Marlon Moraes
6. Michael McDonald
7. Eduardo Dantas
8. Eddie Wineland
9. Raphael Assuncao
10. Scott Jorgensen
11. Brad Pickett
12. Takeya Mizugaki
13. Marcos Galvao
14. Tyson Nam
15. Iuri Alcantara

Do we really believe Marx can beat any of these guys?

Bernman · Post #697 » by **Bernman** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 5:30 am

Cammo101 wrote:1. Dominick Cruz
2. Renan Barao
3. Urijah Faber
4. Bibiano Fernandes
5. Marlon Moraes
6. Michael McDonald
7. Eduardo Dantas
8. Eddie Wineland
9. Raphael Assuncao
10. Scott Jorgensen
11. Brad Pickett
12. Takeya Mizugaki
13. Marcos Galvao
14. Tyson Nam
15. Iuri Alcantara

Do we really believe Marx can beat any of these guys?

Yeah, Tyson Nam, in his sleep. Tyson Nam has an absolute crap resume outside beating Eddy Dantas, who got overly excited during a flying knee party to get one punch ko'ed. That win was comparable in flukiness to Serra over GSP.

Dominick Cruz is n/a at this point in the rankings because of the injuries keeping him out 2 years.

Who knows if he can beat the likes of Assuncao, Jorgensen, Pickett, and Mizugaki? I honestly have no opinion on him being an actual 10 top or not, but it hardly seems daunting to beat any of those guys from 9 to 12 specifically (Mizugaki actually seems a lot like him), and now you want the criteria to be based on the subjective eye test whereas it's usually wins if it benefits the UFC guy. Jorgensen has recently beaten Stone, Albert, and J. Curran. (lol) Alcantara has beaten Iliarde and Nobre. (lol) Assuncao - Easton, Eduardo, etc. Mizugaki - Caraway, Perez, etc. Marx has beaten Ueda, Beebe, and Bender. That's flat out a better recent resume than several of the guys you listed.

Cammo101 · Post #698 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Oct 1, 2013 4:56 pm

I think Marx would be a significant underdog against any of those guys listed.

Jasen777 · Post #699 » by **Jasen777** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 2:18 am

My TV guide thingy says "Cheick Kongo v. Lavar Johnson"

cowboyronnie · Post #700 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 11:35 pm

Johnson was practicing those leaping-in combos in the locker room, angliing an uppercut, but it's just not something you can do 20 secs into a fight. Feel a guy out. At HW w/ 4oz gloves? It's just stupid to leap in like that. /FutonFighter

That Spartan guy is no so good.