Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[SCTwins]

Size matters in fighting and Zion has a huge advantage, as long as he can take a punch or two from the 140lb man, he would smother the shiz out of him.

Being a freak athlete can be an advantage in fighting, Hershel Walker was rocking fools into his mid-late 50's in MMA, went undefeated.

Lol.. Herschel had 2 fights, and they were against absolute tomato cans in some backwoods org.

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. I've seen collegiate athletes get subbed by scrawny guys who work in office jobs. It happens all the time. Go to your local MMA gym and pick out the smallest guy there. Let me know how that goes for you.

Thats like saying your average person could beat up Demetrius Johnson or Figueredo because they outweigh them by 40-50 lbs. It ain't happening.

[peZt]

Size matters in fighting and Zion has a huge advantage, as long as he can take a punch or two from the 140lb man, he would smother the shiz out of him.

Being a freak athlete can be an advantage in fighting, Hershel Walker was rocking fools into his mid-late 50's in MMA, went undefeated.

Lol.. Herschel had 2 fights, and they were against absolute tomato cans in some backwoods org.

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. I've seen collegiate athletes get subbed by scrawny guys who work in office jobs. It happens all the time. Go to your local MMA gym and pick out the smallest guy there. Let me know how that goes for you.

Thats like saying your average person could beat up Demetrius Johnson or Figueredo because they outweigh them by 40-50 lbs. It ain't happening.

We're not talking about the average person here or a random Realgm user or a 50 pound size difference. But Zion who might be one of the strongest humans at his size in the world and who is 8 inches taller and 100 pounds heavier than Conor. And it's not like Conor is some sort of Bjj god. I don't think Conor has any chance on the ground, even as a brown belt. The size and strength difference is just too big to overcome.
Conor's way to winning is just being quick on his feet, waiting for Zion to make a move, evade and counter punch him.

[Slade3]

Size matters in fighting and Zion has a huge advantage, as long as he can take a punch or two from the 140lb man, he would smother the shiz out of him.

Being a freak athlete can be an advantage in fighting, Hershel Walker was rocking fools into his mid-late 50's in MMA, went undefeated.

Lol.. Herschel had 2 fights, and they were against absolute tomato cans in some backwoods org.

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. I've seen collegiate athletes get subbed by scrawny guys who work in office jobs. It happens all the time. Go to your local MMA gym and pick out the smallest guy there. Let me know how that goes for you.

Thats like saying your average person could beat up Demetrius Johnson or Figueredo because they outweigh them by 40-50 lbs. It ain't happening.

We're not talking about the average person here or a random Realgm user or a 50 pound size difference. But Zion who might be one of the strongest humans at his size in the world and who is 8 inches taller and 100 pounds heavier than Conor. And it's not like Conor is some sort of Bjj god.

Compared to Zion, he might as well be.

[Duke4life831]

Garrett is a bigger freak of nature than ngannou not saying that guarantees success but his physical talent is undeniable and the hw division is one of the weakest divisons in terms of talent and depth. Hardy is nowhere close to garrett in terms of physical talent and too undisciplined in his craft to be a serious title contender @ heavyweight.

Just because Garrett can jump higher and run faster, doesn’t mean he can hit nearly as hard.

I also agree that Garrett is the buffer physical freak compared to Hardy. But again Greg Hardy was known for his athleticism and was an All Pro NFL player himself. So it’s not like he was some unathletic scrub. And again Hardy has 4 years of full time training under his belt and just got whooped by a far inferior athlete who was an unranked fighter.

Just because you’re a great athlete, doesn’t mean you know how to throw a punch. Doesn’t mean you know how to stop a takedown, doesn’t mean you know how to get off your back and so on.

Yes we all know that, but given the fact that most UFC heavyweight fights can end with a single punch (more so than other weight classes) and there aren't a lot of elite wrestlers in the division I think Garrett would be able to land a couple bombs in an exchange before he gets taken down. I'd put money on him against anyone outside the top 10 (although #11 would be a tough fight).

https://rankingmma.com/ufc-rankings/heavyweight/

Tybura who is 14th on that ranking (15th on UFC rankings) just rag dolled Hardy. He has a black belt in BJJ.

11 would be a tough fight? Even being 44, Oleynik would choke him out standing up.

You do understand these guys train full time right? Some guy who has never trained how to properly throw a punch isn’t just going to KO trained fighters.

And yes I completely understand how much of a joke the HW division is. Again Greg Hardy was an All Pro defensive linemen known for his athleticism. Even after 4 years of full time training, he still gets smoked by unranked HW fighters. You’re telling me you think the athleticism gap between Hardy and Garrett is worth at least 4 full time years of training. And being able to beat top 10 fighters? That’s just dumb.

[Lepramaniac]

LOL at people who believes that someone with no fighting training whatsoever has any chance to beat a guy who has trained all his life to beat people up just because he's bigger or more athletic

[SCTwins]

Size matters in fighting and Zion has a huge advantage, as long as he can take a punch or two from the 140lb man, he would smother the shiz out of him.

Being a freak athlete can be an advantage in fighting, Hershel Walker was rocking fools into his mid-late 50's in MMA, went undefeated.

Lol.. Herschel had 2 fights, and they were against absolute tomato cans in some backwoods org.

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. I've seen collegiate athletes get subbed by scrawny guys who work in office jobs. It happens all the time. Go to your local MMA gym and pick out the smallest guy there. Let me know how that goes for you.

Thats like saying your average person could beat up Demetrius Johnson or Figueredo because they outweigh them by 40-50 lbs. It ain't happening.

We're not talking about the average person here or a random Realgm user or a 50 pound size difference. But Zion who might be one of the strongest humans at his size in the world and who is 8 inches taller and 100 pounds heavier than Conor. And it's not like Conor is some sort of Bjj god. I don't think Conor has any chance on the ground, even as a brown belt. The size and strength difference is just too big to overcome.
Conor's way to winning is just being quick on his feet, waiting for Zion to make a move, evade and counter punch him.

I know far lesser fighters than McGregor who would snatch Zion's arm or ankle before he even knew what hit him.

Y'all are obsessed with strength and explosiveness. Sure, they are good attributes to have, but if you have zero training it won't matter. A trained fighter will win 95% of the time.

Someone like Ryan Hall would tear Zion's ankle up within 30 seconds.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Stefan Struve would destroy Trae Young in a game of 1on1 because Struve is 7 feet tall

Am I doing it right?

[Floody100]

How is this discussion still a thing ?

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I think Myles Garrett would probably destroy almost everyone in the UFC and this is coming from a longtime MMA fan. If Greg Hardy can be an ok UFC heavyweight imagine what this beast could do. I think only the top 5 UFC HWs would be able to beat this dude in a fight.

I mean Hardy is only an okay heavyweight because Dana spoon feeds him opponents for the most part.

I agree and Hardy got picked apart when he finally Volkov, but Myles Garrett appears to be on another level athletically. I mean, he looks way more jacked than even prime Arnold and is so explosive. Maybe saying he would beat anyone outside of the top 5 UFC HWs is a bit of an exaggeration, but he could definitely hold his own against anyone outside the top 10

If Garrett actually spent a sufficient amount of time training with a good camp then of course his sheer athleticism would give him some serious upside in MMA

But Garrett today without training... I'd put money on 46yo retired Mark Hunt to roll off the couch and KO him inside of 3 rounds

[Heej]

Zion isn't just 285 he's a STRONG 285. Like his bone density, muscle fibers, tendon strength, something about him is just strong. I don't think Connor even with his far superior skill can manipulate him as easily. And Zion has a massive length advantage as well. I feel like Connor would be able to do it fighting extremely dirty but Zion would have a very real chance of straight up rag dolling him.

[BlackNoir]

Size matters in fighting and Zion has a huge advantage, as long as he can take a punch or two from the 140lb man, he would smother the shiz out of him.

Being a freak athlete can be an advantage in fighting, Hershel Walker was rocking fools into his mid-late 50's in MMA, went undefeated.

Lol.. Herschel had 2 fights, and they were against absolute tomato cans in some backwoods org.

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. I've seen collegiate athletes get subbed by scrawny guys who work in office jobs. It happens all the time. Go to your local MMA gym and pick out the smallest guy there. Let me know how that goes for you.

Thats like saying your average person could beat up Demetrius Johnson or Figueredo because they outweigh them by 40-50 lbs. It ain't happening.

Irrelevant, we are talking about a guy who is a striker on the decline..he is no Kabib. The guy couldn't even defend the low leg kicks his last fight, he could barely stand at the end let alone get anything behind his punches.

[BlackNoir]

Zion isn't just 285 he's a STRONG 285. Like his bone density, muscle fibers, tendon strength, something about him is just strong. I don't think Connor even with his far superior skill can manipulate him as easily. And Zion has a massive length advantage as well. I feel like Connor would be able to do it fighting extremely dirty but Zion would have a very real chance of straight up rag dolling him.

Exactly, but some folks here think a 140lb is easily going to snatch his arm or ankle and take him down in 30 sec
Lesner is another example, minimal fight training although he had a wrestling background from college, but still does good based on his freak size and athletism.

[BlackNoir]

Lol.. Herschel had 2 fights, and they were against absolute tomato cans in some backwoods org.

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. I've seen collegiate athletes get subbed by scrawny guys who work in office jobs. It happens all the time. Go to your local MMA gym and pick out the smallest guy there. Let me know how that goes for you.

Thats like saying your average person could beat up Demetrius Johnson or Figueredo because they outweigh them by 40-50 lbs. It ain't happening.

We're not talking about the average person here or a random Realgm user or a 50 pound size difference. But Zion who might be one of the strongest humans at his size in the world and who is 8 inches taller and 100 pounds heavier than Conor. And it's not like Conor is some sort of Bjj god. I don't think Conor has any chance on the ground, even as a brown belt. The size and strength difference is just too big to overcome.
Conor's way to winning is just being quick on his feet, waiting for Zion to make a move, evade and counter punch him.

I know far lesser fighters than McGregor who would snatch Zion's arm or ankle before he even knew what hit him.

Y'all are obsessed with strength and explosiveness. Sure, they are good attributes to have, but if you have zero training it won't matter. A trained fighter will win 95% of the time.

Someone like Ryan Hall would tear Zion's ankle up within 30 seconds.

Hilarious! Snatch his arm?? When Zion has like a 12" reach advantage?
I guess Bruce Lee would have kicked Tyson's ass too.

[Lepramaniac]

I think people here confuse POTENTIAL with reality. Zion might as well have the potential to beat McGregor (or perhaps any other MMA figther), but IF and only IF he trains for at least a few years. Otherwise there is virtually ZERO chance that he can beat a professional MMA fighter because in a fight, he wouldn't know what he's doing. It's like grabbing a 7 footer who has never played basketball in his life and expect him to beat a NBA guard, it's ridiculous. MMA fighters train all their life in diverse martial arts and techniques designed specially to beat opponents who are bigger or stronger than them, and despite the size advantage Zion might have other McGregor, he does not not know how to throw a proper punch, he does not know how to dodge blows, fight on the floor, or any other fighting technique. He might be stronger and bigger but that has no impact if he is not trained enough to land a strike on someone who can probably dodge a normal person's blows easily like McGregor.

[KungFuJoe]

There is zero chance Zion wins. First of all...you're not even considering the mental game. I don't care how big you are...NO ONE WANTS TO GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE.

Someone with no fighting experience is going to be **** bricks and either just covering up and praying they don't get hurt, or flailing away like Nate against that youtuber and getting KTFO.

Size matters, but only if you have some skill to back it up. If size mattered THAT much, then Bob Sapp wouldn't be something like 10 and 20 or whatever and would have dominated MMA. He's 6'6" THREE FIFTY and had training...and still got beat by lesser guys.

Zion is my favorite player and I hate Connor...but he absolutely destroys Zion.

[SCTwins]

We're not talking about the average person here or a random Realgm user or a 50 pound size difference. But Zion who might be one of the strongest humans at his size in the world and who is 8 inches taller and 100 pounds heavier than Conor. And it's not like Conor is some sort of Bjj god. I don't think Conor has any chance on the ground, even as a brown belt. The size and strength difference is just too big to overcome.
Conor's way to winning is just being quick on his feet, waiting for Zion to make a move, evade and counter punch him.

I know far lesser fighters than McGregor who would snatch Zion's arm or ankle before he even knew what hit him.

Y'all are obsessed with strength and explosiveness. Sure, they are good attributes to have, but if you have zero training it won't matter. A trained fighter will win 95% of the time.

Someone like Ryan Hall would tear Zion's ankle up within 30 seconds.

Hilarious! Snatch his arm?? When Zion has like a 12" reach advantage?
I guess Bruce Lee would have kicked Tyson's ass too.

Clueless.

[SCTwins]

Zion isn't just 285 he's a STRONG 285. Like his bone density, muscle fibers, tendon strength, something about him is just strong. I don't think Connor even with his far superior skill can manipulate him as easily. And Zion has a massive length advantage as well. I feel like Connor would be able to do it fighting extremely dirty but Zion would have a very real chance of straight up rag dolling him.

Exactly, but some folks here think a 140lb is easily going to snatch his arm or ankle and take him down in 30 sec
Lesner is another example, minimal fight training although he had a wrestling background from college, but still does good based on his freak size and athletism.

Lemme know how Zion will defend an Imanari roll with no training.

I'll wait.

[Lepramaniac]

We're not talking about the average person here or a random Realgm user or a 50 pound size difference. But Zion who might be one of the strongest humans at his size in the world and who is 8 inches taller and 100 pounds heavier than Conor. And it's not like Conor is some sort of Bjj god. I don't think Conor has any chance on the ground, even as a brown belt. The size and strength difference is just too big to overcome.
Conor's way to winning is just being quick on his feet, waiting for Zion to make a move, evade and counter punch him.

I know far lesser fighters than McGregor who would snatch Zion's arm or ankle before he even knew what hit him.

Y'all are obsessed with strength and explosiveness. Sure, they are good attributes to have, but if you have zero training it won't matter. A trained fighter will win 95% of the time.

Someone like Ryan Hall would tear Zion's ankle up within 30 seconds.

Hilarious! Snatch his arm?? When Zion has like a 12" reach advantage?
I guess Bruce Lee would have kicked Tyson's ass too.

Terrible analogy, Mike Tyson is a former heavyweight champion, and a boxer is more skilled than anyone in the world at throwing punches, how can you compare Tyson to someone like Zion who probably never got into a fight in his entire life?.

[SAKURABA216]

Just because Garrett can jump higher and run faster, doesn’t mean he can hit nearly as hard.

I also agree that Garrett is the buffer physical freak compared to Hardy. But again Greg Hardy was known for his athleticism and was an All Pro NFL player himself. So it’s not like he was some unathletic scrub. And again Hardy has 4 years of full time training under his belt and just got whooped by a far inferior athlete who was an unranked fighter.

Just because you’re a great athlete, doesn’t mean you know how to throw a punch. Doesn’t mean you know how to stop a takedown, doesn’t mean you know how to get off your back and so on.

Yes we all know that, but given the fact that most UFC heavyweight fights can end with a single punch (more so than other weight classes) and there aren't a lot of elite wrestlers in the division I think Garrett would be able to land a couple bombs in an exchange before he gets taken down. I'd put money on him against anyone outside the top 10 (although #11 would be a tough fight).

https://rankingmma.com/ufc-rankings/heavyweight/

Tybura who is 14th on that ranking (15th on UFC rankings) just rag dolled Hardy. He has a black belt in BJJ.

11 would be a tough fight? Even being 44, Oleynik would choke him out standing up.

You do understand these guys train full time right? Some guy who has never trained how to properly throw a punch isn’t just going to KO trained fighters.

And yes I completely understand how much of a joke the HW division is. Again Greg Hardy was an All Pro defensive linemen known for his athleticism. Even after 4 years of full time training, he still gets smoked by unranked HW fighters. You’re telling me you think the athleticism gap between Hardy and Garrett is worth at least 4 full time years of training. And being able to beat top 10 fighters? That’s just dumb.

I said he would beat the guys outside of the top 10 and acknowledged that Oleynik would be a tough fight, but he has been KOed a lot and I wouldn't be surprised if Garrett could land a bomb on him and KO him.

As for Hardy v. Tybura, Hardy was doing well and won the first round. At one point it even looked like he was about to KO him, but Tybura took him down in the 2nd and Hardy couldn't get back up and shelled up. The point is that Hardy hung in there with Tybura
and its not like he was getting completely outclassed in all aspects of the fight.

Look at the list of fighters and you're telling me you couldn't see Garrett beating any of the guys from 11 onwards? He would completely obliterate guys like Gian Villante and Mo Greene. Walt Harris is Ok, Tai Tuivasa is getting fights solely from his "shoey" gimmick, Arlovski is old, and Gus is too small at HW. Rothwell could be dangerous, but he's slow as hell.

[SAKURABA216]

Zion isn't just 285 he's a STRONG 285. Like his bone density, muscle fibers, tendon strength, something about him is just strong. I don't think Connor even with his far superior skill can manipulate him as easily. And Zion has a massive length advantage as well. I feel like Connor would be able to do it fighting extremely dirty but Zion would have a very real chance of straight up rag dolling him.

Exactly, but some folks here think a 140lb is easily going to snatch his arm or ankle and take him down in 30 sec
Lesner is another example, minimal fight training although he had a wrestling background from college, but still does good based on his freak size and athletism.

Lemme know how Zion will defend an Imanari roll with no training.

I'll wait.

Lemme know when Conor can execute an Imanari roll or any leglock for that matter.