Best mma Fighters by position

three6mofia · Post #1 » by **three6mofia** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:20 am

How would you rank the mma fighters by skilled positions and styles regardless of weight class. It seems like there are some pretty knowledgable guys on this forum and im interested in ur opinions.
id go
standup 1.silva 2. GSP 3. Rampage 4. Shogun 5. Machida
Takedowns 1. GSP 2. Rashad 3. Brock 4. Maynard 5. Kos
Wrestling 1. GSP 2. Edgar 3. Hughes 4. Brock 5. Kos
GnP 1. Brock 2. GSP 3. Cain 4. Sonnen 5. Carwin
Submissions 1. Nog 2. Mir 3. Shields 4. Shogun 5. mai
P4P 1. GSP 2. Silva 3. Shogun 4. Rashad 5. Cain

BTW u will probably notice its all ufc on my lists which is mostly because it seems the most known in this forum feel free 2 add fighters from strike force etc.

Post #2 » by **singh_shady** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:03 pm

In terms of number 1s at each aspect, I agree with yours except for GnP (I'd have GSP) and submissions (definitely Aoki)

Cammo101 · Post #3 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:15 pm

GSP having the 2nd best standup is just crazy.

Cammo101 · Post #4 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:25 pm

Standup

1. Anderson Silva
2. Jose Aldo
3. Eddie Alvarez
4. Thiago Alves
5. Vitor Belfort

Takedowns

1. GSP
2. Jon Fitch
3. Gray Maynard
4. Jon Jones
5. Brock Lesnar

Wrestling

1. GSP
2. Jon Fitch
3. Jon Jones
4. Chael Sonnen
5. Josh Koscheck

GnP

1. Jon Jones
2. Brock Lesnar
3. Shane Carwin
4. BJ Penn
5. Rashad Evans

Subs

1. Shinya Aoki
2. Demian Maia
3. Jacare Souza
4. Fabricio Werdum
5. Paulo Filho

P4P

1. GSP
2. Anderson Silva
3. Jose Aldo
4. Mauricio Rua
5. Jon Fitch

TheBathinApe · Post #5 » by **TheBathinApe** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:08 pm

Stand-up
1) Silva
2) Aldo
3) Shogun
4) Machida
5) Penn

Takedowns
1) GSP
2) Jon Fitch
3) Sonnen
4) Jones
5) Lesnar

Wrestling
1) GSP
2) Fitch
3) Sonnen
4) Jones
5) Lesnar

GnP
1) GSP
2) Brock
3) Cain
4) Sonnen
5) Fedor

Submissions (Havent seen much of Aoki or Jacare, but ive seen enough from Aoki to tell hes real good)
1) Maia
2) Aoki
3) Werdum
4) Shields
5) Penn

P4P
1) Silva (If GSP wins dominant, this might change)
2) GSP
3) Aldo
4) Fedor
5) Shogun

Posey H8er · Post #6 » by **Posey H8er** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:56 pm

i'm too lazy to do all these right now but i think overeem should definitely make the list for top strikers.

and some of the best wrestlers are not the top fighters.... just yet. off the top of my head i have-

1. GSP
2. Sonnen
3. King Mo
4. Phil Davis
5. Ben Askren

Cammo101 · Post #7 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:37 pm

Posey H8er wrote:i'm too lazy to do all these right now but i think overeem should definitely make the list for top strikers.

and some of the best wrestlers are not the top fighters.... just yet. off the top of my head i have-

1. GSP
2. Sonnen
3. King Mo
4. Phil Davis
5. Ben Askren

Jon Fitch? Jon Jones? Do you hate people named Jon?

Post #8 » by **damo[23]** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:17 pm

Surprised Cammo is the only one thats put Jon Jones in anything. He made Hammil and Vera, both declarated top level grapplers, look like they'd never trained wrestling in their lives. His GNP is brutal and getting better, just look at it from S.Bonnar fight to his last couple ...

Fitch as well, he's like a mini-gsp. I think Shields has excellent wrestling as well.

I wont bother trying to list as I feel I suck at ranking things anyway.

Cammo101 · Post #9 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:21 pm

damo[23] wrote:Surprised Cammo is the only one thats put Jon Jones in anything. He made Hammil and Vera, both declarated top level grapplers, look like they'd never trained wrestling in their lives. His GNP is brutal and getting better, just look at it from S.Bonnar fight to his last couple ...

Fitch as well, he's like a mini-gsp. I think Shields has excellent wrestling as well.

I wont bother trying to list as I feel I suck at ranking things anyway.

Matyushenko was an Olympic caliber wrestler too and Jones tossed him around like a ragdoll.

Posey H8er · Post #10 » by **Posey H8er** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:41 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Posey H8er wrote:i'm too lazy to do all these right now but i think overeem should definitely make the list for top strikers.

and some of the best wrestlers are not the top fighters.... just yet. off the top of my head i have-

1. GSP
2. Sonnen
3. King Mo
4. Phil Davis
5. Ben Askren

Jon Fitch? Jon Jones? Do you hate people named Jon?

i threw up some names off the top of my head 8-)

i don't know where i would put them. they're all elite wrestlers in mma.

Cammo101 · Post #11 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:00 pm

Posey H8er wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:
Posey H8er wrote:i'm too lazy to do all these right now but i think overeem should definitely make the list for top strikers.

and some of the best wrestlers are not the top fighters.... just yet. off the top of my head i have-

1. GSP
2. Sonnen
3. King Mo
4. Phil Davis
5. Ben Askren

Jon Fitch? Jon Jones? Do you hate people named Jon?

i threw up some names off the top of my head

i don't know where i would put them. they're all elite wrestlers in mma.

Wrestlers was the hardest of these lists for me as well.

stick · Post #12 » by **stick** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:21 pm

Hmm, good thread.

Standup/Striking:
1: Alistair Overeeem
2: Cung Le
3: Shogun
Honorable Mentio/Guilty Pleasure: Junior Dos Santos/Anderson Silva

Wrestling/Takedowns:
1: Georges St Pierre
2: Gray Maynard
3: Jon Jones (God, it's hard not to love this kid. His striking made me think about him for the list above. But, it's just so undisciplined. But his wrestling is so good. His ground and pound will be legendary.)
Honorable Mention/Guilty Pleasure: Chael Sonnen

Submissions:
1: Shinya Aoki
2: Jake Sheilds
3: Nate DIaz
Honorable Mention/Guilty Pleasure: Bj Penn (no one doubts his creds his striking has just evolved so much)

Defense (Probably most important aspect of MMA:
1: Anderson Silva
2: Georges St Pierre
3: BJ Penn
Honorable Mention/Guilty Pleasure: Chuck Liddell

Posey H8er · Post #13 » by **Posey H8er** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:25 pm

i think Aoki has to be the number one submission guy. whenever the fight goes to the ground i literally get scared that i'm going to see a broken limb happen live. and it's happened a couple times.

Post #14 » by **singh_shady** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:30 pm

Cung Le is all flash, come on stick over Anderson Silva?

Cammo101 · Post #15 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:31 pm

singh_shady wrote:Cung Le is all flash, come on stick over Anderson Silva?

x2

stick · Post #16 » by **stick** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:41 pm

Anderson SIlva is 10x the fighter of Le, yes.
Well, 100x probably.

But, how can you watch Le's fights an disagree.
His opponents know he only has one trick in his bag to go to. And yet, he still picks them apart with every strike there is.

Post #17 » by **singh_shady** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:49 pm

stick wrote:Anderson SIlva is 10x the fighter of Le, yes.
Well, 100x probably.

But, how can you watch Le's fights an disagree.
His opponents know he only has one trick in his bag to go to. And yet, he still picks them apart with every strike there is.

Well for starters, his best win's are against Scott Smith and an old Frank Shamrock. He would get tooled in a standup battle with Silva, probably within 2 minutes Forrest Griffin style. I like watching Cung Le and he is one of the most entertaining fighters in MMA no doubt, partly because he's flashly and largely because SF is good at feeding him guys that play into his style. But put him in against non-crap competition and he'd get knocked out if he tried one of his spinning back kicks

stick · Post #18 » by **stick** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:54 pm

Agree to disagree I guess.
I understand he hasn't beat anyone to really gauge it. And he is getting fed the right fights, but he would lose because of the lack elsewhere not because of striking.

The way I look at this thread, I would love to see a fighter with Le's striking (Actually I had Overeem 1st), St Pierres wrestlijng, and Aokis subs.