Shogun vs Bones March 19th UFC 128

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Shogun vs Bones March 19th UFC 128 

Post#1 » by j-ragg » Sun Feb 6, 2011 5:36 am

Now that's a night. Jon Jones showed off another part of his sick arsenal in taking out unbeaten Ryan Bader at UFC 126. The lanky 23-year-old light heavyweight phenom overpowered Bader for 6-of-9 minutes on the ground and finished the fight with a guillotine choke. The UFC shocked Jones and the fans by offering the kid a shot at the UFC light heavyweight title against Mauricio "Shogun" Rua. Jones accepted on the spot.

"I feel great. God is so good. I feel great," Jones told UFC analyst Joe Rogan. "Hats off to Endicott, New York. And I'm going for a world title baby. Let's do it!"

Rogan announced that Rashad Evans, Rua's original opponent at UFC 128 was out with an injured knee. Dana White confirmed to Yahoo! Sports' Kevin Iole that the fight is still on for mid-March in Newark, N.J.



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Re: Shogun vs Bones in March 

Post#2 » by singh_shady » Sun Feb 6, 2011 5:42 am

This fight is happening in a month. Who's at a bigger disadvantage because of this? Jones is coming off of an actual fight (albeit one in which he wasn't damaged) whereas Shogun was preparing for a guy who was almost exclusively going to be looking for the takedown and lay n' pray.

Jones is a MUCH more dynamic fighter than Rashad, it might be tough to gameplan for him in just under a month. That said, same goes for Jones, Shogun is on another level from Bader, Hamil, the Janitor etc.

Interesting fight for sure, can't wait.
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Re: Shogun vs Bones in March 

Post#3 » by High 5 » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:01 am

Jones should almost exclusively be looking for the takedown as well. It would be extremely foolish to stand with Shogun. Jones can get the fight to the ground in more ways than Rashad can, though, and he's more trouble when he gets there. Jones has dominated enough powerful wrestlers now that it's silly to doubt his ability to control anyone. If he can survive on the feet (big if) I think he takes it.
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Post#4 » by singh_shady » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:01 am

Another point, how stupid was Rashad's decision to not fight until Shogun healed? This isn't a 'hindsight is 20/20' thing, people (including Dana White himself) mentioned that too many things could go wrong by waiting that long and injury was one of them. Now he's back at the bottom of the ladder, relatively. Ring rust will also be a pretty big factor when he does actually fight again
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Post#5 » by singh_shady » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:04 am

High 5 wrote:Jones should almost exclusively be looking for the takedown as well. It would be extremely foolish to stand with Shogun. Jones can get the fight to the ground in more ways than Rashad can, though, and he's more trouble when he gets there. Jones has dominated enough powerful wrestlers now that it's silly to doubt his ability to control anyone. If he can survive on the feet (big if) I think he takes it.


That's exactly what I meant High 5. Jones is much more dynamic and actually looks to finish on the ground. Rashad just looks for positions of control and implements lay n' pray (almost exclusively). He tries to outpoint you
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Post#6 » by Posey H8er » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:16 am

I'm much more excited for this matchup. Jones will finally fight a very good striker in Rua. This will be a
war. Also I don't think the 9 week notice is bad for either guy.
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Re: Shogun vs Bones in March 

Post#7 » by singh_shady » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:22 am

A few interesting points made at the press conference (regarding this fight):

-Jones is already pretty familiar with Shogun since he's been helping Rashad with his training camp
-Jones and Rashad have a mutual understanding that they will never fight each other, out of respect. So if Jones wins then you can kiss Rashad's title hopes away.. I wonder if he'll go back on this 'mutual understanding' if he were to get an opportunity..
-Jones showing tonnes of respect for Shogun and what he's accomplished (Shogun himself won a Pride championship at 23 yrs old). Anyone saying he's gotten arrogant or cocky is just hating.
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Post#8 » by Posey H8er » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:31 am

Jones says he is completely healthy. He got hit with one good left hook and "stubbed his toe walking into the octagon." :lol:
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Post#9 » by damo[23] » Sun Feb 6, 2011 12:59 pm

Well I thought I was a bit odd saying that Jones could be champ leaving 2011 - but maybe heh.

My money is on this fight not getting past the end of the 2nd. And we dont have long to wait!
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Re: Shogun vs Bones in March 

Post#10 » by CPT » Sun Feb 6, 2011 2:24 pm

That was a legit mark out moment, which is rare in the UFC, at least as far as things not happening in an actual fight.

Good job of keeping the Rashad injury under wraps and making this a great surprise.

Wonder what happens with the rest of the contenders now. I thought the plan was to give Rampage the title shot if he beat Thiago Silva. Then maybe have the Griffin/Franklin and Jones/Bader winners square off for the next shot.

Now Jones has (deservedly) jumped the line, and I wonder if we might get a Rampage vs. Griffin rematch for a title shot? That kind of leaves Rashad out in the cold though, without any real contenders to fight to keep busy.
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Post#11 » by skflives » Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:06 pm

CPT wrote:That was a legit mark out moment, which is rare in the UFC, at least as far as things not happening in an actual fight.

Good job of keeping the Rashad injury under wraps and making this a great surprise.

Wonder what happens with the rest of the contenders now. I thought the plan was to give Rampage the title shot if he beat Thiago Silva. Then maybe have the Griffin/Franklin and Jones/Bader winners square off for the next shot.

Now Jones has (deservedly) jumped the line, and I wonder if we might get a Rampage vs. Griffin rematch for a title shot? That kind of leaves Rashad out in the cold though, without any real contenders to fight to keep busy.


Jon Jones did not deserve the title shot. He did less to earn a title shot than Cain Velesquez (who basically beat up fringe contenders and faded veterans) but at least Cain had the excuse of fighting in a division that is so mediocre the champ had less than 10 fights. Jon Jones fights in the most stacked weight class of any weight class in any MMA Promotion. He just beat his first top 10 opponent. I really think he should be forced to fight someone like Forrest Griffin b4 getting a title shot. Instead they could have given the title shot to Randy Couture (he hasn't done much lately at light heavyweight either but he is a former champion and a legend in the sport) or Quentin Rampage Jackson (whose already familiar with Rua after having fought him previously). I don't know. I just don't think Jones has done enough to warrant a title shot even after beating Bader. Bader is a really good fighter but he's basically a upgraded Matt Hamil. He has many of the same strengths (strong, very good wrestler, heavy hitter) with the same disadvantages (more of a heavy hitter than a really educated striker and no where near fast, explosive or athletic enough to keep up with Jones).

In any case, despite the fact that he doesn't deserve the shot yet I actually think Jones has a good chance again Rua. He's an incredible athlete and is a freakish size for his division. What Jones is to the MMA light heavyweight division Paul Williams was to boxing Welterweight division. I think he's a bad matchup for even the best light heavyweights. But while he is a better athlete than Rashard Evans, Evans is still a very athletic and quick wrestler so Rua will be somewhat prepared. He's also forgotten more about striking than Jones has learned yet. Plus he's quicker and represents a skill set (top notch Muay Thai and BJJ) that Jones has never fought b4. Its a really interesting bout. I have to favor Shogun but Jones is a very live underdog. If anyone can pull off an upset so early in his career its Jon Jones.
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Re: Shogun vs Bones in March 

Post#12 » by CPT » Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:26 pm

Give Randy Couture a title shot over Jon Jones?

Ban.

Seriously, you must be joking. Jones has been running through people. Bader is about as impressive a win as you can have. Certainly better than anything Randy Couture has done at LHW in about 6 years. I guess you were really impressed by his wall and stall robbery of a decision against Brandon Vera? The same guy Jones took out in the first round and put out for a year?

Rampage...eh. He's one close split decision win over Machida away from losing to Rashad. And since when do you get points for "already being familiar with Rua" when he got his head nearly kneed/kicked clean off his body? Better suggestion than Couture, but he's at least one fight (a scheduled fight vs. Thiago Silva) away from a title shot, if not two.
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Re: Shogun vs Bones in March 

Post#13 » by Cammo101 » Sun Feb 6, 2011 4:26 pm

LOL at anyone thinking Jones does not deserve a title shot. I don't care if a few others have a better win/loss resume. The eye test tells me Jones is the biggest challenge for Shogun at 205. We have seen Jones outstrike strikers, out wrestle Olympic level wrestlers...all while never getting so much as winded or scratched. This kid is the truth and he is the person most want to see fight for the title. And that afterall, is the point, to put on the fights people want.

Not only that, but he is an injury replacement and all the other contenders already have fights lined up.

Both Randy and Rampage are one fight removed from losses. Hell, Randy should have lost to
Vera and Jones beat Vera with an arm tied behind his back. Rampage won an iffy decision over Machida and got rolled by Rashad. In what world are either of those guys deserving of a title shot? I would go so far as to say Forrest is more deserving of a title shot than either Rampage or Couture. At least he holds a win over Shogun recently.
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Post#14 » by cowboyronnie » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:21 pm

He hasn't just beaten these dudes, he's done it pretty much flawlessly.

BTW, this is not a UFC only forum. There should be no spoilers in thread titles. People may have come into the forum to talk about a boxing match, planning to watch the UFC event later. And people do.
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Post#15 » by REDDzone » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:25 pm

Jones -165
Shogun +135 at sportsbook.
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Post#16 » by cowboyronnie » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:28 pm

Are you sure that's not inverted?? Jump all over those odds and bet on Shogun. That's idiotic.

I don't have the constitution to gamble, but that's tempting. Where can I gamble from Canada?
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Post#17 » by Cammo101 » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:30 pm

I'm shocked the odds are that close to be honest. I think Shogun is a stud, but coming off the injury and layoff against a guy running through people like Bill freaking Goldberg, I don't see how you can pick Shogun to win.
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Post#18 » by singh_shady » Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:57 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuAUG5_rahw[/youtube]

Is it really necessary for Jon Jones to mention how great God is every minute he talks now? It's cringe worthy in this interview
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Post#19 » by Posey H8er » Sun Feb 6, 2011 7:09 pm

he's trying to one-up Vitor
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Post#20 » by REDDzone » Sun Feb 6, 2011 7:18 pm

singh_shady wrote:Is it really necessary for Jon Jones to mention how great God is every minute he talks now? It's cringe worthy in this interview


I have no issue with his God talk, but in the end I hope the kid is able to give himself at least a little credit for all his hard work as well.
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