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[REDDzone]

IDK. Gun to my head I would say not fixed. Just because I would need outrageous evidence for such an outrageous claim and as of now we just have multiple small pieces of evidence. That's probably the most sketchy fight I've ever seen that isn't a known fix though (Coleman/Takada). Just ridiculously sketchy, definitely much more so than previous Bellator fights that have been called into question.

[Jasen777]

Does the fix include Tito holding the choke after the tap?

[REDDzone]

Does the fix include Tito holding the choke after the tap?

He did the same if not worse to Bader.

[REDDzone]

Just realized I never even brought up the fact that Tito had the choke on the wrong side. All Chael has to do is keep turning towards the elbow and he's free. He's just not as bad as that. And it looks like Tito has his feet crossed. Lol it just looks so bad that it almost couldn't be fixed because I would have expected them to do a better job if they did fix it.

[GetBuLLish]

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Wow. This is pretty damming. Like you, Redd, I get annoyed when people scream "FIXED!" in MMA, or in any sport for that matter. But this fight made me feel uneasy, unlike any fight I've ever seen. And that was before seeing video of that tap!

One other thing that seemed fishy was Chael's demeanor throughout the whole night, from his entrance through the fight. He just had a super despondent look on his face, like he knew he was doing something shameful. To be fair, maybe he was just embarrassed about his physique (he looked terrible). Or maybe that's his usual look and I'm forgetting since his last fight was so long ago.

[cowboyronnie]

Do you guys not remember Chael vs Rashad the same way I do? They clearly had a gentleman's agreement not to hurt one another.

Chael is an actual convicted felon for money laundering in a real estate scam. A hustler, smart as a whip. Approaching Tito and looking to keep an agreement under cover is not beyond him, morally or logistically.

I actually love and respect him but was worried right when this fight was announced that it would not be a sincere competition. Whatever it was (fixed outcome, one-way thrown fight, agreement as to techniques), it did not look like a sincere competition. Maybe Chael just decided to get the heck out of there early once the guillotine didn't work. His concern was not to win.

[Cammo101]

I don't think that fight was fixed as much as it was two over the hill part timers just looking bad.

Cam, be objective for a second here. You were arguing that Shamrock/Kimbo was fixed despite people on this board telling you what happened in that sequence from a technical perspective. Additionally, you were arguing at the time that Ken would know how to do an RNC despite the fact that he hadn't done one in competition for like 20 years or something.

Now Tito and Chael have the most sketchy fight in bellator history and its just two over the hill fighters? Since Chael last fought, he's been grappling with the likes of Andre Galvao (the current ADCC superfight champion) and Babalu, and frankly he looked much better against both than he did Tito Ortiz. Nothing about this fight makes sense.

I think you would be arguing the other side if you weren't a big Chael fan tbh.

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I don't see the upside to a fixed fight here. Certainly not from Bellator. We all know what length's an MMA org will go to to protect Kimbo, a big time money maker with limited skills. I also could see Shamrock throwing a fight, not so with Chael for the exact reasons you put forth. While over the hill, he is IMO too much of a competitor to take a dive.

While the actual sub looked sketchy, I just don't see the perfect storm of fixed fight like I did in the Kimbo/Shamrock fight.

I find Chael's antics funny, but I'm not some Chael Sonnen superfan. I was certainly hoping he'd beat Tito (who I don't like), but truthfully I could, for the most part, care less who wins 98% of the fights in Bellator.

The Kimbo fight smelled like a fixed fight to me. This one didn't while watching it. That video is pretty damning though, with the tap. I'd certainly be interested to hear what both guys have to say about it.

[REDDzone]

Do you guys not remember Chael vs Rashad the same way I do? They clearly had a gentleman's agreement not to hurt one another.

I actually recall that fight as sort of a beatdown. I guess I'm not sure if its more because of actual damage inflicted or it just being uncompetitive. I also may be confusing it with Rashad/Tito which was def a beatdown. Maybe I'll watch it again.

[Jasen777]

I actually recall that fight as sort of a beatdown. I guess I'm not sure if its more because of actual damage inflicted or it just being uncompetitive. I also may be confusing it with Rashad/Tito which was def a beatdown. Maybe I'll watch it again.

I think everyone was expecting it to be boring hand pawing and grapplefest going to decision, but it was just a beatdown. Sonnen looked like he didn't really want to be there. They called it a TKO but Sonnen actually tapped to strikes.

[Jasen777]

From UFC 167 thread"

Chael v Evans, bros. WTF? At first when it went to the cage I was really worried there'd been a gentleman's agreement to not scrap, they'd grapple and tap some punches but make sure not to injure one another. Then **** got real, obv...that elbow to the jaw was brutal. Definitely caused a major injury. Chael tapped!? They did not shake hands or hug afterwards either.

Evans said in the intro thing that he was going to win because he wanted it more. That's been said alot, but there might have been something to it this time.

[REDDzone]

So is cbr trolling us or is this just a false memory?

[cowboyronnie]

LOL

Whoops. Expectations get fulfilled, reality be damned.

[Susan]

LOL

Whoops. Expectations get fulfilled, reality be damned.

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[Jasen777]

Bellator 170 medical suspensions include indefinite sentence for ‘unreported stab wound’

Christian Gonzalez: Indefinite suspension (CSAC review) for unreported stab wound prior to fight and for chest pain; minimum suspension of 45 days no contest, 30 days no contact with no exceptions due to TKO

[NZB2323]

Chael has been competing in grappling, though. And he nevertheless made a whole sequence of bad moves that ended up with him tapping.

Couldn't you say that about most of Chael's losses though? He even admitted that he had to see a sports psychologist because he would look for ways out of fights.

One other thing that seemed fishy was Chael's demeanor throughout the whole night, from his entrance through the fight. He just had a super despondent look on his face, like he knew he was doing something shameful. To be fair, maybe he was just embarrassed about his physique (he looked terrible). Or maybe that's his usual look and I'm forgetting since his last fight was so long ago.

I attributed that to Chael no longer being on TRT/Steroids and having ring rust and just being old in general.

I'm not saying the fight wasn't fixed. I'm saying I'll need more evidence before coming to that conclusion.

[Jasen777]

Tonight's card is certainly not threadworthy.

[REDDzone]

Anyone care about tomorrow night's card? Fedor vs Mitrione.

[duppyy]

Anyone care about tomorrow night's card? Fedor vs Mitrione.

I was going to say I'll be watching Black beast vs Edmunds boy but that's on Sunday. So I'll tune in to watch that fight.

[REDDzone]

It's always so funny when a super flabby Fedor weighs in at like 235 or whatever.

What weight class would he be fighting at if he all the sudden got on GSP's diet and S&C program? 185?

edit: 235, not 135. typo.

[AirCanadaMouse]

Anyone care about tomorrow night's card? Fedor vs Mitrione.

I'm admittedly interested in Koscheck fighting tomorrow too.