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TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:04 am
by Gold Chain

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:58 am
by Nemesis21
I like this fight.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:17 am
by CPT
I like the fight, but it leaves the division in a bit of a weird place.

It's clearly a #1 contender/title eliminator/whatever you want to call it fight, but the timing doesn't really match up.

GSP vs. Condit is slated to go down around November, which would already be 5 months off for the winner of this fight. Tack another 4-6 months on if they have to wait for the GSP/Condit winner.

Maybe it's insurance in case GSP's recovery doesn't go as quickly as expected?

I guess the winner could fight the Koscheck/Hendricks winner around the time of the GSP/Condit fight?

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:54 pm
by REDDzone
I hate how Condit isn't taking another fight. It sucks the best two divisions in the sport seem to be stagnant, add the flyweight fiasco and its just frustrating.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:14 am
by jennybess
Tack another 4-6 months on if they have to wait for the GSP/Condit winner.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:39 pm
by SDM
Jake Ellenberger vs. Martin Kampmann
Mike Chiesa vs. Al Iaquinta
Justin Lawrence vs. John Cofer
Jonathan Brookins vs. Charles Oliveira
Max Holloway vs. Pat Schilling
Daron Cruickshank vs. Chris Tickle
Myles Jury vs. Chris Saunders
Cristiano Marcello vs. Sam Sicilia
Jeremy Larsen vs. Joe Proctor
John Albert vs. Erik Perez

On Friday. Excellent main event. John Albert's fun to watch. Brookins/Oliveira should be good. The rest? Bah.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:48 pm
by REDDzone
I like Ellenberger and Kampmann. Kind of nervous for Kampmann: his defense + Ellenberger's power could lead to bad things.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 4:06 pm
by SDM
The chin vs. opponent's power/your lack of striking defense thing is a wild card I haven't figured out yet when it comes to making picks. Cerrone and KZ keep defying the odds while guys like Roop get taken out. I think Kampmann's more talented from a skills standpoint, but he's tentative and seems to abandon gameplans. Ellenberger's been great for his entire career, but Kampmann is technical and he can wrestle, also has more experience at the top of the division. It's a pick em for me right now.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 4:11 pm
by REDDzone
I agree its tough. Ellenberger really impressed me last fight with his ability to still throw hard when moving back and out of range, but Diego's game of moving forward is clearly a lot different than Kampmann's counter striking style. I think if Kampmann can survive the first round and a half-ish, he can take advantage of Ellenberger's tendency to fade (vs Diego, vs Condit) and his own tendency to finish strong (vs Shields, vs Story, vs Diego, vs Alves). Question for me is can Ellenberger hurt him early? Or maybe one of these guys throws a wrench in my vision and goes for a takedown? Not sure, haven't thought about this card until you posted it, tbh.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 5:55 pm
by Gold Chain
This is basically Kampmann's career thus far.

Get a few wins, then lose the important one.

I like Jake, but would rather see Kampmann win, just because he got robbed in a couple decisions.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:54 pm
by REDDzone
WW is such a mess. GSP true champ hurt. Condit interim champ waiting for GSP.

Is Hendricks still waiting, or is he fighting Rory? Winner of that fight has a claim, especially Hendricks. Ellenberger/Kampmann winner will have a legit claim, especially Ellenberger. Diaz, although suspended, is 1/2 of one of the biggest fights the ufc could make in GSP/Diaz.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:15 pm
by Gold Chain
Condit has not earned the right to not defend that strap.

He eeked out a controversial decision in a fight where 50% of people thought he lost.

Man, do we really have to wait until November to see a WW title fight again?

Brookins vs Oliviera looks to be a good tilt.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:18 pm
by REDDzone
If Condit waits he waits. I'm personally disappointed, but I get it. But what's the point of the interim title then?

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:26 pm
by Gold Chain
REDDzone wrote:If Condit waits he waits. I'm personally disappointed, but I get it. But what's the point of the interim title then?


Bingo. Although, Cesar Gracie is trying to do the same with Nate right now, and I'm sure he would've done that with Nick.

I just don't like interim titles.

Watch Faber win one now. uhhhh, yuck.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:29 pm
by REDDzone
I'd be fine with the interim titles if they produced more good matchups. But the ufc does not use them effectively at all. Remember when Carwin was interim champ? What was the point of that? He fought Brock immediately after getting it.

If Condit being interim champ led to Condit vs Ellenberger/Hendricks/Rory II or even multiple of those matches, I'd be cool with it.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Fri Jun 1, 2012 12:44 pm
by REDDzone
Any ideas why Vick isn't fighting tonight? Did he get hurt or something on the last one? If they go by merit I'm curious why guys like Marcello who was thoroughly dominated on the show would get a fight on the finale over him...

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Fri Jun 1, 2012 1:08 pm
by SDM
Marcello has a bit of a name from his Chute Box days. It's probably the Kyle Watson treatment... seeing what these revered specialists with direct ties to UFC stars can do in the Octagon even if we know that close analysis indicates they probably aren't at this level in MMA.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Fri Jun 1, 2012 1:15 pm
by REDDzone
Plus, his name just makes him sound like a worlds bjj champ, amirite? "Christiano Marcello".

Although if that is the criterion, they should have just signed Renato Laranja. He and Nate Diaz have unfinished business from my understanding. lol

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Fri Jun 1, 2012 1:21 pm
by SDM
Also, he put Crazy Horse to sleep. That's worth at least one fight in the UFC, disabling a violent homeless person. We've seen what they're capable of, as of late.

Re: TUF Finale (Ellenberger vs Kampmann)

Posted: Fri Jun 1, 2012 1:45 pm
by REDDzone
lol Have you ever seen the clip of the dozens of Crazy Horse mug shots?

Amazing.